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PS4 ships 257.6 million units of sw during FY2018. Beats PS2 record for yearly sw shipments.

KillerMan91

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So with the newest financials release from Sony we have one all time record broken.

Peak yearly sw shipments for different consoles:

1. PS4 FY2018: 257.6 million
2. PS2 FY2005: 252 million
3. Wii FY2008: 204.58 million
4. PS1 FY1999: 200 million
5. NDS FY2008: 197.31 million
6. PS3 FY2011: 156.6 million
7. NSW FY2018: 118.55 million
8. GBA FY2004: 84.57 million
9. GB FY2000: 78.91 million
10. N64 FY1999: 56.66 million
11. PSP FY2007: 55.3 million
12. NGC FY2004: 48.42 million

Data I found goes back to FY1999 so no SNES or NES shipments and I am not completely sure that N64 peaked in 1999. MS has not ever shared sw shipments so no data from Xbox consoles. I would guess X360 would be between NDS and PS3 (it had higher sales than PS3 in US and UK that buy more sw than other regions so I would guess its peak was higher than PS3).
 
ArmGunar

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Too bad Sony didn't provide a clear number for PS3 games FY13 because FY13 was at least 200m+ PS3 games sold
 
Jarod McChicken

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And one big thing to note about Sony's results is the digital sales are growing, as anyone would expect, but the retail games sales were also up year on year. This is despite the digital ratio being bigger and bigger (37% compared to 32% the previous year).
 
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Jarod McChicken said:
And one big thing to note about Sony's results is the digital sales are growing, as anyone would expect, but the retail games sales were also up year on year. This is despite the digital ratio being bigger and bigger (37% compared to 32% the previous year).
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Matt Piscatella noted that the expansion of digital sales aren't really coming at the cost of physical overall. Digital is adding to the pot.
 
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KillerMan91

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ArmGunar said:
Too bad Sony didn't provide a clear number for PS3 games FY13 because FY13 was at least 200m+ PS3 games sold
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Was it? That would be weird. FY2011 they shipped that 156.6 million PS3 games and in FY2012 ( when they started to combine PS3 and PS2 sw) they shipped 153.9 million PS3 and PS2 games so less PS3 sw. Huge increase for PS3 sw during FY2013 when PS4 launched and PS3 hw sales started to dive would be weird.
 
ArmGunar

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Was it? That would be weird. FY2011 they shipped that 156.6 million PS3 games and in FY2012 ( when they started to combine PS3 and PS2 sw) they shipped 153.9 million PS3 and PS2 games so less PS3 sw. Huge increase for PS3 sw during FY2013 when PS4 launched and PS3 hw sales started to dive would be weird.
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Slide 18 : https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/13q3_sonypre.pdf
You have 283m games sold (shipped+digital sales) during Q1-Q3 FY13 so from April to December 2013

We know that 9.7m PS4 games were sold through so to be nice, 20m sold (shipped+digital sales)
Maybe 30m PS2/VITA/PSP games sold (shipped+digital sales), to be sure we could say 50m

283m - 70m = 213m
It's still 200m+ PS3 games sold and there was at the time Bioshock Infinite, God of War Ascension (yeah I know both March releases but still), The Last of Us, GTA V, Call of Duty, etc...

And this 283m number is without Q4 FY13 and later where some PS3 games were probably sold too
 
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KillerMan91

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ArmGunar said:
Slide 18 : https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/13q3_sonypre.pdf
You have 283m games sold (shipped+digital sales) during Q1-Q3 FY13 so from April to December 2013

We know that 9.7m PS4 games were sold through so to be nice, 20m sold (shipped+digital sales)
Maybe 30m PS2/VITA/PSP games sold (shipped+digital sales), to be sure we could say 50m

283m - 70m = 213m
It's still 200m+ PS3 games sold and there was at the time Bioshock Infinite, God of War Ascension (yeah I know both March releases but still), The Last of Us, GTA V, Call of Duty, etc...

And this 283m number is without Q4 FY13 and later where some PS3 games were probably sold too
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Hmm. Looking at those older financials reports I think they are not reporting sw shipments but maybe some kind of revenue? It makes no sense that FY2014 had sw shipments of 460 million and then this past Fiscal Year had 257.6 million when PS4 is peaking and game division had its highest revenue and profits ever.
 
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Yes yes PS4 will continue selling for a while [especially if my dream of portable [large] tablet PS4 ever gets realized] but PS5 will take some sales away from PS4 with its exclusives.
 
ArmGunar

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KillerMan91 said:
Hmm. Looking at those older financials reports I think they are not reporting sw shipments but maybe some kind of revenue? It makes no sense that FY2014 had sw shipments of 460 million and then this past Fiscal Year had 257.6 million when PS4 is peaking and game division had its highest revenue and profits ever.
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In the report, it's written " Mln units, for sales " (in the FY13)

The 460 number you saw in the FY14 report is indeed in ¥ Bln

EDIT : Maybe you're right for the FY13 report, I'm confused now lol
 
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KillerMan91

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ArmGunar said:
In the report, it's written " Mln units, for sales " (in the FY13)

The 460 number you saw in the FY14 report is indeed in ¥ Bln
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oh. Still those FY2013 figures make little sense. Only other explanation I can think of that for short while they included digital only sw (like indies) to that figure but stopped it later.

Edit. Yeah something weird happened because that same FY2013 Q3 slide has sw sales of 266 million for whole FY2012 when we actually do know PS sw shipments for that FY from their actual FY2012 report (182.7 million everything combined).
 
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N.Domixis

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Congrats to Sony! Here's to a successful PS5 launch. With that BC and the importantance of digital libraries they should have a smooth transition.
 
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Really impressive.
And yeah, the 360 would probably be close to the PS3 (either above or below).
 
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By next year PS4 will enter the 1 billion sold software league? Right?
 
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ArmGunar said:
Slide 18 : https://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/library/presen/er/13q3_sonypre.pdf
You have 283m games sold (shipped+digital sales) during Q1-Q3 FY13 so from April to December 2013

We know that 9.7m PS4 games were sold through so to be nice, 20m sold (shipped+digital sales)
Maybe 30m PS2/VITA/PSP games sold (shipped+digital sales), to be sure we could say 50m

283m - 70m = 213m
It's still 200m+ PS3 games sold and there was at the time Bioshock Infinite, God of War Ascension (yeah I know both March releases but still), The Last of Us, GTA V, Call of Duty, etc...

And this 283m number is without Q4 FY13 and later where some PS3 games were probably sold too
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That's billion yen. 283 billion yen. Not 283 million units.

Sony changed from units to revenue for a bit.
 

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Alandring said:
I doubt PlayStation 4 will have a long life after PlayStation 5 release, especially with BC. PlayStation 5 will quickly kill PlayStation 4.
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The opposite. BC will give it legs because devs will keep releasing there games for longer (specially indie games to milk the 100+M userbase) and people won't be afraid of losing their games after upgrading if buying PS4 late.

PS3 had slightly shorter legs than the other PS home consoles because PS4 didn't have BC at launch and because it was very difficult to apply price cuts due to alien architecture.

Sony will be able to keep reducing the PS4 price to appeal family market and emerging countries with a super low price. If they want they can even sell it as a mostly streaming device allowing to play PS5 games on PS4 through PSNow.
 
Soneji

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Not surprising given install base, two strong 1st party titles+RDR2 and the disposable income of majority console owners now vs back in the PS2 era.
 
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DieH@rd

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If BC transition is smooth and PS5 is a success, PS4 software will eventually surpass 1.5B total of PS2.

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Yurinka said:
The opposite. BC will give it legs because devs will keep releasing there games for longer (specially indie games to milk the 100+M userbase) and people won't be afraid of losing their games after upgrading if buying PS4 late.

PS3 had slightly shorter legs than the other PS home consoles because PS4 didn't have BC at launch and because it was very difficult to apply price cuts due to alien architecture.
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Why people who haven't bought PlayStation 4 when it was available for 199$ or when Uncharted 4/Knack 2/God of War/The Last of Us Part II has been released would suddenly buy a PlayStation 4 after PlayStation 5 launch? Its price won't be really lower, it won't have new system sellers and people could pay 200$ more to have a next-gen console.

PlayStation 5 launch will probably help second hand market for PlayStation 4 hardware (and BC will help for that), but sales of new consoles will drop very quickly.

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Eh I don't agree, if it's true it's getting a revision this year for $199 then Sony has plans to still keep it on the market.
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Sony will sell as much PlayStation 4 as possible this year and next year. After that? I would be surprise if Sony sold more than 5 millions of consoles in total for 2021 and beyond.

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Hw? maybe. Sw? No. it could actually help late gen PS4 sw sales and this thread is about sw sales.
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Software will probably remains longer, but not really, even if BC will help for that, I agree.
 
Hieroph

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Quarter of a billion games in just one year. Damn. And that's without subscriptions, add-ons, accessories and everything else on the side.
 

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Alandring said:
Why people who haven't bought PlayStation 4 when it was available for 199$ or when Uncharted 4/Knack 2/God of War/The Last of Us Part II has been released would suddenly buy a PlayStation 4 after PlayStation 5 launch? Its price won't be really lower, it won't have new system sellers and people could pay 200$ more to have a next-gen console.
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Maybe because they never saw PS4 priced at $199, or if that offer ever existed before they were playing other console/in PC and wasn't interested on PS4. Or they couldn't because it was sold out.

Or want to play some games released after PS5 that may be released on PS4. Or are waiting to get current and previous games once they get cheaper.

Or maybe during that limited offer they didn't have enough time or money. Or they had a very young kid and after a few years they buy the console to the kid.

Or maybe because the console wasn't available in their country because their country is poor or they pay a ton of taxes in related products, so until the console doesn't go permanently under $199 isn't released there.

There are a ton of reasons. I don't know exactly which ones, but if Sony keeps selling their consoles for like 3 years after releasing the next one people (not me) should have reasons to do it.

Regarding PS4 systems sellers after PS5 release, I think TLOU2, Death Stranding, Ghost of Tsushima, Final Fantasy Remake or Cyberpunk may be released then. At least 2 or 3 of them will be released before PS5 launch but the others are likely to be released later. I'd bet BC is there mostly just for these games, because Sony wanted to have them in both consoles to make sure they can sell both PS4s and PS5s.
 
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