Why does 16GB seem like such a low amount to you? I'd be more than happy with that!
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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
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Why does 16GB seem like such a low amount to you? I'd be more than happy with that!
There's always a form beyond the final form, though. Maybe we'll see GCN Gold, or GCN Ultra Instinct.
Only that developers have always tried to push visuals. On the PS4 Pro they are doing checker board, on the Xbox One X they are pushing 4K or coming close to that resolution. There is no reason as to why next generation games will not try and make that resolution standard. That is something that has been achieved on what is lower RAM, bandwidth and weaker GPU.
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What do you guys mean by "2019 and beyond"? PS3 did, too. While PS3 was releasing titles like GTA V, Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo 6... PS4 was releasing with this line up
And these were Xbox One's first party launch games
Does it really matter if PS5 is released without a big, GOTY caliber, first party game? You could argue that PS4 or Xbox One didn't really have a great first party exclusive until late 2014 or even 2015.
Third parties. Let's say both PS5/XboxOneTwo and Cyberpunk 2077 are releasing in late 2019-Spring 2020. Scarlett/PS5 is not here yet, so Sony/MS would have the best current console to play this new ultra-hyped game.
This relates primarily to PS4 right now, but Sony just announced a cross-platform play beta for Fortnite. That marks a major policy change within the current gen! I'm hopeful that this will mean fewer barriers between next-gen platforms as well.
IMHO, 16GB [minus few gigs for OS] is too low for enabling rendering of true nextgen worlds and characters. The point of these new consoles it not to achieve rendering of current level of assets in 4K, but to be much more detailed and larger.
I do not think that it will matter early on whether or not Sony releases a big hit first party game to go with the console seeing that hardcore gamers will get the console either way. It will matter with the passage of time given the investment that Microsoft has made in the first party space.What do you guys mean by "2019 and beyond"? PS3 did, too. While PS3 was releasing titles like GTA V, Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo 6... PS4 was releasing with this line up
And these were Xbox One's first party launch games
(Killer Instinct, too)
Does it really matter if PS5 is released without a big, GOTY caliber, first party game? You could argue that PS4 or Xbox One didn't really have a great first party exclusive until late 2014 or even 2015.
Third parties. Let's say both PS5/XboxOneTwo and Cyberpunk 2077 are releasing in late 2019-Spring 2020. Scarlett/PS5 is not here yet, so Sony/MS would have the best current console to play this new ultra-hyped game.
Another defining factor will be how fast consumers take to subscriptions seeing that both console makers will have a service that allows for local downloads. This is where first and second party games will be important as well as what partnerships can be struck with third party publishers. Content will be key and not only for the next generation, but beyond that.
Q1 20 at the latest is my guess. Launch with TLoU 2. PS5 would be sucessful even with cross-gen titles only.
Will be interesting to see how will Sony approach next E3. If they don't announce PS5 then they will have pretty much the same conference as this year. TLoU 2, DS and Ghost.
Will be interesting to see how will Sony approach next E3. If they don't announce PS5 then they will have pretty much the same conference as this year. TLoU 2, DS and Ghost.
Exactly that. I just think that 16GB minus OS would not be enough (I mean,,seriously,it would only be like 3GB more than the XBX). When it comes to next gen hardware,RAM is actually what worries me most.
Fair points. It seems that my personal standard for "next-gen" is much lower I suppose. I'd honestly prefer that neither console-maker chase "native" 4K and continue to allow devs the option of techniques like checkerboarding. I do agree that chasing native 4K for games would eat up more resources than it may be worth.
One nice thing though, PS4 Pro has started the trend of adding side-pool of RAM for OS purposes. It has 1GB [2x 512MB to be more precise] of DDR3 fused onto the mobo for background OS apps.
It would be nice if PS5 could implement a mobile stack of lets say 4GB for full OS use and leave almost all of the fast GDDR/HBM memory for games.
Things is,the PS4 OS is taking 3.5GB out of the 8GB available and while it's true that Sony used 1GB DDR3 on the Pro to release more of main memory to devs,I think using 4GB to the OS next gen won't be enough if they are planning on substantial features upgrade. So that makes it either 6 or 8GB of additional DDR4,with additional memory controller- seems pretty expensive to me, I think 24GB of GDDR6,where they can set a fixed amount of RAM to the OS and maybe release some later to devs would be a better solution.
Yeah i don't expect many big first party ps5 titles at launch no matter what year.
With 2019 having so many stellar ps4 games, they could launch ps5 with 1 or 2 decent ps5 only titles (knack level) and enhanced versions of ps4 titles via BC. They could even ship ps5 versions on discs that include ps5 packaging but are essentially ps4 versions with ps5 patches already on disc.
Then the following year release more ps5 only titles
With 2019 having so many stellar ps4 games, they could launch ps5 with 1 or 2 decent ps5 only titles (knack level) and enhanced versions of ps4 titles via BC. They could even ship ps5 versions on discs that include ps5 packaging but are essentially ps4 versions with ps5 patches already on disc.
Then the following year release more ps5 only titles
Agreed. After watching DF's early look at DLSS, having something similar on all next-gen games as standard would be amazing.
The Pro and X have little to do with this argument, as the improvements in their patches are usually whatever the devs can do quickly and easily - it's not like the process of making a full game from the ground up. Even then, multiple X1X patches include optional modes with reconstruction, in order to focus on superior visual effects. There absolutely is a reason why they would not go for native 4K - the fact that it's not worth it. The difference between native 4K and reconstructed 4K using a decent method is minimal, yet requires double the GPU power - and if the devs just have that lying around on a brand-new next-gen title then they probably aren't doing their jobs right. I agree that if they can just turn on native 4K with no cost then they will, but it doesn't work like that - they'll do what makes their game look better.
Agreed. 4-8GB of LPDDR4 for recording, media app suspension and most of the OS, and 16-24GB of GDDR6 with 1GB for the rest of the OS and the rest for games. We'd get at least a 3x improvement (if not 4.5x) even before counting the HBCC effect.
Makes sense. Don't want people still talking about the big black mark they have.
What do you guys mean by "2019 and beyond"? PS3 did, too. While PS3 was releasing titles like GTA V, Bioshock Infinite, Tomb Raider, Gran Turismo 6... PS4 was releasing with this line up
And these were Xbox One's first party launch games
(Killer Instinct, too)
Does it really matter if PS5 is released without a big, GOTY caliber, first party game? You could argue that PS4 or Xbox One didn't really have a great first party exclusive until late 2014 or even 2015.
Third parties. Let's say both PS5/XboxOneTwo and Cyberpunk 2077 are releasing in late 2019-Spring 2020. Scarlett/PS5 is not here yet, so Sony/MS would have the best current console to play this new ultra-hyped game.
The PS4 is still selling incredibly well and will do so well into 2019 with it's upcoming slate. There is no need for a PS5 in 2019. I doubt MS will drop a new Xbox next year when they just dropped the X a year ago, which still sells for £400 just for the console.
I am not even 1% convinced PS5 will launch in 2019.
By all accounts the HARDWARE will be ready by 2019 and that is fine, but having finalized hardware design ready is only one (somewhat important)element of a console launch.
First, a full developed and tested PS5 SDK MUST be available to be implemented into existing development work flows in a meaningful way. If you rush this, you run the risk of shipping launch software full of bugs and running like dogshit. For all its similarities to PS4, the PlayStation 5 will be a new console platform, and if utmost importance and care isn't fully considered during SDK development and implementation, word of mouth from the hungry sharks on social media WILL tear it apart.
Second is the other half of the software picture, and that is the games themselves. I'm not going to try to beat a dead horse since the point has been done to death, but time is needed to make good exclusive PS5 games. Sony is currently riding a gigantic wave of good will because of the quality of their games. I believe Sony is fully aware that without these well received games, the PS4 is just an XBOX clone. Sony, like Nintendo, is famous for taking their time developing games and they are both being rewarded for this. To think they will not take their time to develop the SDKs and games necessary for the PlayStation 5 launch is crazy talk in my view.
Speaking of the PS4.(#3) The console has received only one single price drop in 5 years. At $299usd, the current sales trajectory of the PS4 does not support a 2019 PS5 launch AT ALL.
If each of these are taken singulary, I could still see a PS5 launch next year because, again, the hardware is probably ready. But nothing exists in a vacuum so together, nothing I've heard or read so far convinces me of a launch next year
Not enough pieces of the puzzle are yet in place
Team2020 all the way.
By all accounts the HARDWARE will be ready by 2019 and that is fine, but having finalized hardware design ready is only one (somewhat important)element of a console launch.
First, a full developed and tested PS5 SDK MUST be available to be implemented into existing development work flows in a meaningful way. If you rush this, you run the risk of shipping launch software full of bugs and running like dogshit. For all its similarities to PS4, the PlayStation 5 will be a new console platform, and if utmost importance and care isn't fully considered during SDK development and implementation, word of mouth from the hungry sharks on social media WILL tear it apart.
Second is the other half of the software picture, and that is the games themselves. I'm not going to try to beat a dead horse since the point has been done to death, but time is needed to make good exclusive PS5 games. Sony is currently riding a gigantic wave of good will because of the quality of their games. I believe Sony is fully aware that without these well received games, the PS4 is just an XBOX clone. Sony, like Nintendo, is famous for taking their time developing games and they are both being rewarded for this. To think they will not take their time to develop the SDKs and games necessary for the PlayStation 5 launch is crazy talk in my view.
Speaking of the PS4.(#3) The console has received only one single price drop in 5 years. At $299usd, the current sales trajectory of the PS4 does not support a 2019 PS5 launch AT ALL.
If each of these are taken singulary, I could still see a PS5 launch next year because, again, the hardware is probably ready. But nothing exists in a vacuum so together, nothing I've heard or read so far convinces me of a launch next year
Not enough pieces of the puzzle are yet in place
Team2020 all the way.
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Microsoft went from 1.31TFLOPS to 6TFLOPS. Assuming these consoles hit 10-12TFLOPS don't people think that this will be enough to hit 4K combined with an increase in RAM and bandwidth? And there are games that are already doing native 4K or close to that on the Xbox One X, games that are doing superbly well on the PS4 Pro.
4K is a dev choice, not a matter of hardware. Same thing for frame rate. If the devs want to go ham on image fidelity and use all of the processing power they can on giving you better effects, they might very well select to go with some form of reconstruction instead of wasting power on delivering more pixels.
PS4Pro can do native 4K60, right now. It's just that most devs select to use power other ways.
Is there a simple list of confirmed 2019 exclusives? Also, is there anything confirmed or tentatively announced for 2020?
If they have to choose, and they always choose, they will go with better graphics as they almost always do at a lower frame rate.
Thanks for laying it out. You're right. With all the graphical and lighting effects they could implement (hell, they might even try for some limited ray-tracing, though that seems unlikely), along with the sheer amount of things they could put on the screen, native 4K60 on everything is unlikely, and I'll be glad for them focusing on making their games look better in general. I hope the Switch 2 would do something similar - reconstructed 1080p in portable mode rather than native, and use the extra power to try and match the other qualities of the PS4.
So far Days gone, ghosts of tsushima, and last of us part 2 are 2019 releases, days gone being locked in for Feb, and ghosts of tsushima possibly late 2019 with the possibility of slipping into 2020.
Off the top of my head Concrete Jungle, Medieival Remake, Last of Us 2, Ghost of Tsushima, and Death Stranding seem like candidates.
Why would GoT slip into 2020? They showed a lot of gameplay at e3, honestly it looked the farthest along imo with the exception of spider man. Didn't they say at the late 2017 reveal that they thought it was a year or so away?
Sony will have a April/May game similar to Uncharted 4/GOW so GoT seems more likely for late spring than any other
Pretty sure there are no dates for GoT and TLOU2.
I remember Neil mentioning that they won't announce a release date until they are sure they can hit it, and when he was asked if he thinks that they will be able to announce it soon he said no.
I also saw no mention of a release date for GoT anywhere, but I might have missed a interview or something.
Can 20GB of GDDR6 even be done? If you mean 16GB GDDR6+4GB DDR4 then I doubt such a split will happen. One single pool.
Dambuster Studios (Homefront The Revolution) are now looking for a Senior Online Service Engineer "to join the engineering team which is working on a sandbox AAA title for next generation hardware"
Wasn't there a CoD job posting for next year's title? It specifically mentioned next gen I believe.
Yes. They can do bus sizes in 32 bit increments. Similar to how the latest Ti graphics cards from Nvidia have had 352 bit busses to memory.
UE4 is everywhere. Let's hope it's optimized well for next gen consoles.
Oh wow. I completely missed this.
http://www.playstationlifestyle.net/2018/07/02/call-of-duty-2019-to-include-single-player/
Thanks. So technically it is possible. I still can't see past Sony going with the simple 256bit bus/448GB BW GDDR6 (16GB) They could do 384bit (or 352bit for that matter) but that doesn't lend as well to shrinks/costcutting which Sony always do.
Microsoft on the other hand might. I don't think One X was designed to be shrunk later so the use of 384bit didn't matter in this case?
They said it was like only 60-80% done. SO that tells me they have not completed a full playthrough of the completed game which means more than likely would slip into 2020.
They said at E3 it's 55% done. Whatever that means. I don't expect it in 2019.
You can still shrink those chips. That just don't scale as well when the memory interface is larger.
Idk man.
Just because it's a little more than half way done doesn't mean the last half process is as complicated and time consuming (2-3 years) as the first half
I'm hoping for 2019.
Keep in mind Infamous was supposed to be a launch title and was delayed three months, so they may end up needing more time.
I wouldn't even do ddr4 for the System.
I'm not in the architecture dev, so I can't speak to the best way to things. I look at it from a system and software perspective
Dev time on new IP stuff is usually kinda front-loaded: creating tools, game systems, getting the engine down pat working, validating the fun factor of the game, this kind of stuff tends to take a lot of time. One of the GG devs said in one interview that when Horizon was first shown at E3 2015, they had virtually nothing of the game content done - they used the Thunderjaw for the video because that was the only machine rigged and with tentative animations, that they had been using to validate the gameplay. So, virtually all of the content for that game was created in the next 20 months-ish.
So, if they're past halfway, I don't think it unimaginable that it might be ready for a late 2019 release. Assuming they don't work like SSM, that built stuff as they went (and Barlog admits it's probably the worst possible way to go at it).