That whole thing was in response to someone saying that there was no way possible at all that MS could engineer a box as well as Sony. Wether the response was tounge-in-cheek or not it was fair play. Make a stupid statement, win a stupid response.
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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
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That whole thing was in response to someone saying that there was no way possible at all that MS could engineer a box as well as Sony. Wether the response was tounge-in-cheek or not it was fair play. Make a stupid statement, win a stupid response.
Well no, not really. The expectation is a more powerful and premium console, at a higher price.
It's not a mind trick unless you think they're going to make a significantly more powerful console at the same price, then yeah you're in fanboy wet dream territory.
He's delivered on everything so far, so there's no point to start doubting him now.
Haha, thanks for clarifying. I didn't read the whole thread so I was like "has this been his mountain to die on?"
Sony isn't stupid, they'll just say "uh huh. A late port is okay thank you. How about you get one....like three months before launch?" May as well expect Herman hulst to put on a mustache and go into ms headquarters claiming to be an indie dev lmao
I don't know bro, that's their dice to roll. My only point is if selling a streaming box is a battle not having the option to buy all the newest releases makes that battle an uphill one.
That's what it was in reply to. Lol.
I don't doubt that Xbox can make a more powerful console than Playstation. I just don't know what that even means in 2020.
Your console can play 8K blu-rays? I'm firmly in the camp that services more than power will win next gen. I think Sony and Xbox should be competing there outside of just a power race.
Sony having more work to do there, but already being well on their way.
I think you'll find they all want the same thing. Both Sony and MS want to build on an ever increasing playerbase and Sony has been working on PS Now for quite a few years now, so it's not like MS is suddenly a pioneer for wanting to get in on streaming.
Doubting that he'll make a powerful console to lose money at significant sums to win market share where he's already said he doesn't really care?
Haha cool. I thought you were saying your fam was interested in an Xbox streaming box lol
Where did Brad Sams say they'll have two different versions of Scarlett besides the streaming box? Was it a premium article?
Source for Phil not caring about increasing market share please.
I mean, there are multiple interviews where Phil Spencer has repeatedly said he does not care if you buy an Xbox. An Xbox is not the only place they sell Game Pass and they're trying to do XCloud to go even beyond PC Gaming.
You don't make a more powerful machine at the same price without losing money......
Yes. But I didn't realise you were limiting "market share" to only console sales.
They don't have to lose significant sums to have the most powerful console. It also doesn't have to be significantly more powerful.
In this specific instance, yes. Overall, no. They're subsidizing the shit out of Game Pass to boost market share and size.
Ok, so you're arguing now that you meant they would make a negligible more powerful console. You got it then, mate.
Oh yeah, they are lol. I thought you were asking about it from MS point of view. I asked the kids "What if you could just stream games like a YouTube video?" and they were like hell yeah. I didn't explain any other benefits at all. Didn't even mention the other stuff MS talked about like playing from phones and tablets. I think the idea of it just sounds cool to them. My nephew actually has a PS4 so I told him I'd try to get him a PSNow account set up to try.
Well lol, OK there's the context I missed. Nothing personal. I just laughed at the $500 loss part.
My bad.
I was responding to someone who said that there absolutely is no way Microsoft could release a more powerful console than sony in the same year at the same price..... Nowhere did I say that they would make a significantly more powerful console. That's your fault for misreading.
Jennifer Lopez is executive producer to keep it honest I heard :)
You got it, fam.
Dope. I need to try it out again myself.
No problem. I just wanted to explain that it wasn't a flat line of stupidity and more of a circle of stupidity lol
Lmao. Just looked it up, Panos Panay is head of the devices division of Microsoft, will he be very hands on with anaconda I wonder?
I haven't tried it since I was in the beta but even then I had more problems with image quality than controls. It was obviously not the level of response that you get from a local box but it wasn't horrible and I could see a lot of less discerning players being absolutely fine with it. I'm just thankful that it's an option for now and not the only way to game.
I've mocked the 2019 chatter since the day it began, but I am beginning to come around to an alternative idea that I did propose earlier this year.
It makes a lot of sense for Microsoft to launch in the Spring of 2020. Even a 6 month heard start would be advantageous for them. They could certainly have either Gears 5 or Halo Infinite ready for launch, along with Forza 8. It would be fun to see them pull it off.
It makes a lot of sense for Microsoft to launch in the Spring of 2020. Even a 6 month heard start would be advantageous for them. They could certainly have either Gears 5 or Halo Infinite ready for launch, along with Forza 8. It would be fun to see them pull it off.
TLoU2 potentially being a day-and-date PS5 title will be an excellent early showcase for Motion Matching. Next-generation animation at (likely) butter smooth 60fps, game will flow like nothing else in the industry.
Not to mention that patent for cooling which seems to be specific to stacked ram. More ram on the die
No, that's why none of the consumer GPUs have that or will have that anytime soon.
I remember this rumour, but something just struck me. If they are focusing on increasing ram...could that mean that at some point they had settled on a lower amount and later amended that? It's a really weird turn of phrase "working on increasing ram" or what have you. It could have been they are focused on ram, or want a large amount of ram etc. To want to increase something, you need to start from a certain number. Maybe the dev tour Cerny went on he got screamed at again about ram like back in the ps4 days lmao
Consumer GPUs don't share bandwidth with the CPU afaik, whereas on a console APU they will need more memory bandwidth to feed both the CPU and GPU. This could be a major bottleneck if there isn't enough of it.
The number won't be 1.2TB/s but I imagine it'll need to be more than most PC graphics cards. Or maybe I'm overestimating bandwidth needs for the CPU.
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Anyone spot this patent?
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10102094.html
Abstract:
To address problems that arise due to differences in bus behavior when running a legacy application on a new device the new device may throttle bus performance in a way that emulates the bus behavior of a legacy device when executing the legacy application.
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/10102094.html
Abstract:
To address problems that arise due to differences in bus behavior when running a legacy application on a new device the new device may throttle bus performance in a way that emulates the bus behavior of a legacy device when executing the legacy application.
Yeah it's pretty old as far as discussion goes. There are a bunch of BC related patents.
Definitely a whole bunch ifound, even one for spoofing cpu Id. None of it seems to work around improving performance though
There's one that Pro's Boost Mode is based on. It'll probably be a thing on PS5 too.
https://patents.google.com/patent/US20160246323A1
Can be interesting going through all these patents. Even found a 2018 patent for a Sony fighting game controller with no stick, pictures and everything
I will be shocked to see anyone go with HBM, unless that party thinks that prices will have dropped significantly and will continue to do so by the time the next wave of consoles hits.
343 Industries.
Turn 10.
Playground Games.
The Coalition.
These are/were making good games since day one for Microsoft. There is also nothing that points to Obsidian, Ninja Theory struggling to make quality games from day one given their output over the last decade.
Some will not get that game that averages 80 - mid 80's in critical reception. Given current outings, Compulsion Games and Undead Labs look like they will need a lot of work to get games that are quality and not bug ridden out. I also do not know how InXile will transition if they are to move away from CRPG's.
If you were to ignore Mojang and Microsoft Casual Games, then Microsoft now has 11 studios. Playground, Ninja Theory, Rare, Obsidian, InXile all have multiple teams working on multiple projects. Microsoft has never ever had this big a presence in first party development all geared towards the core console instead of splitting development between console and kinect. Everything also points to them picking up a few more developers.
Bungie.
343 Industries.
Turn 10.
Playground Games.
The Coalition.
These are/were making good games since day one for Microsoft. There is also nothing that points to Obsidian, Ninja Theory struggling to make quality games from day one given their output over the last decade.
Some will not get that game that averages 80 - mid 80's in critical reception. Given current outings, Compulsion Games and Undead Labs look like they will need a lot of work to get games that are quality and not bug ridden out. I also do not know how InXile will transition if they are to move away from CRPG's.
The comparison between PS Now and Game Pass is also neither here nor there. The only thing that they are similar in is that they will both offer streaming options once Microsoft releases Xcloud as a streaming product for Game Pass. That is where the similarities end.
Well that's not true, as you're trying to argue that MS is on a completely different path to Sony because they're showing interesting in having streaming services. My point is both companies have very similar interests in streaming and both want the same thing, as in to foster and grow a large community of customers within their ecosystems.
The only thing that makes them similar right now is that PS Now is a streaming service and Microsoft has shown what they aim to achieve with Xcloud.
Other than that, one is has games releasing day and date, the other is only starting to add this generations games. One is targeting all devices from phone, tablet, console and PC, the latter is targeting the latter two platforms (it may well change). Game Pass as a service is what will define Microsoft's gaming business going forward i.e. they are betting everything on it being a success years from now. Sony has a business model that works, that makes money and that is selling copies and doing some remasters with streaming being the other option.
The only thing that is similar is eventually, both will be streaming options.
I am looking forward to MS releasing their streaming service. Not because I want to use it, but because then I can finally have an apples to apples comparission with PsNow.
To be frank, I am sick of PSNow being belittled and compared to an idealised, impossibly perfect Xbox streaming service that run perfectly, cost pennies, and somehow have games of the entire Xbox catalogue day one.
A dash of reality is needed, in terms of Xbox Streaming. We are lacking that right now. Too much pie in the sky.
To be frank, I am sick of PSNow being belittled and compared to an idealised, impossibly perfect Xbox streaming service that run perfectly, cost pennies, and somehow have games of the entire Xbox catalogue day one.
A dash of reality is needed, in terms of Xbox Streaming. We are lacking that right now. Too much pie in the sky.
So in your estimation PS Now is the future and you're satisfied with the service?
Well XCloud being able to run all Xbox games is accurate, because Microsoft already said that you can run all your purchased Xbox games. It's highly likely that XCloud would be better because if you're near a data centre, you get less latency.
If the actual game can come close to even a fraction of what we saw of the demo at E3, this game will be one for the ages.