https://wccftech.com/jedec-hbm-memory-standard-update-24-gb-307-gbps-bandwidth/
:o maybe Microsoft or Sony will go for hbm instead of gddr
:o maybe Microsoft or Sony will go for hbm instead of gddr
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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
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I'm not sure exactly when systems stopped selling the older iterations because new ones came out. Is this the idea, replace the entire old console line with the lower end model? Is that what you all are guessing?
That's kinda my point. You will have two devices on shelves that are the exact same thing because MS will have shipped units all year in volume to retailers. Unless you all think they're just stopping shipping Xbox One next year/2020 at a certain point, I'm not sure how those things will "quickly" do anything but confuse people.
Or they could use a type of checkerboard reconstruction and advertise as 4k like Sony does.
https://www.digitimes.com/news/a20181217VL201.html
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It seems that the consensus is that Sony will launch first - however all the leaks (and these are via known Microsoft-friendly leakers so are probably authorised or controlled leaks) are coming from Microsoft.
I'm just thinking that Sony possibly did plan on 2019 but have now moved to 2020 and Microsoft may in fact launch first - there's certainly more coming out of the Microsoft camp.
I'm just thinking that Sony possibly did plan on 2019 but have now moved to 2020 and Microsoft may in fact launch first - there's certainly more coming out of the Microsoft camp.
Although I don't think consumers are stupid it does get a bit convulted. They would see Xbox stream infinity, Xbox 1x, Xbox 1s, Xbox infinity s, Xbox infinity x (using infinity for sake of arguement). As opposed to ps4, ps4 pro, ps5. Theres a beauty in simplicity
Funny you say this, after seeing all these multiple sku rumors the most prominent thing on my mind was "man, MS is really throwing everything at the wall to see what sticks"... hopefully it's not just that and they actually think this kind of strategy would actually be beneficial for them. We'll see how it goes.
I don't expect Sony to go this route but they've done strange things before so we'll see lol
Xbox One S has "4K/HDR" right on the box.
Naw, consensus seems to be that Microsoft and Sony will launch around the same time in Holiday 2020. There are just a few on the fringes (like myself) who think there's a chance Sony could also "Spring" for an early 2020 launch.
But Sony might do 2 skus and streaming device as well.we just don't know yet
Well amd will try to sell them both as many apus as possible .so I think Sony might bite as well.especially since the delayed the launch from 2019 to 2020.we don't know the reason but this might be a reason . I m all for strong 500$ ps5 as I m an enthusiast .same with many enthusiast x2 gamers .after all we all want our favorite games in best light possible
If the rumors are real, Sony will do a proper console and a portable streaming device.
Not to mention they have been hiring streaming device engineers recently
I'm really hoping that this strategy, if real, will also encompass mobile devices. I'd love to basically treat my PS5 like a Switch and play my games wherever, but I don't want to buy a dedicated piece of hardware for it.
The reason of the delay is actually not hw releated but sw (backend IT infrastructure & services & API support) (imo)
the switch is the perfect Japanese console, that a decent amount of westerners like too.
...as an accompanyment to a home console, sure.
Instead of?... fuck that!
a lot of people in japan only have 1 tv, so a divice like the switch that can be played off tv is more important their, than raw power.
You know what, if they do go for multiple devices, I think they'll do two devices, a PS5 proper beast and a 'PS5 Now' discless streaming device/Apple TV like device.
Zen 2 cpu, PS4 or PS4 Pro level gpu, 7nm, 8gb gddr6, replaceable HDD, all in a small package. Sell for $99-150 (Apple TV price). Comes with full Android TV capabilities, preinstalled with TV apps like PS Vue. Just like the Apple TV you can download games from the App Store but better since it'll be full console games (PS Store), or have a PS Now subscription to stream games. Even more, if Zen 2 really does have AVX512 instructions and Sony is able to emulate PS3 games, you'll be able to stream or download any PS Now game on these two devices.
Edit- anexanhume posted that new heat sink patent and said that it could be for a possible PS4 revision, but it could also work for a streaming device. Putting all the chips in a tight package.
They kind of tried this with the Vita TV already but I think this could be a lot more successful if marketed correctly.
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From what i saw this is new: Sony Interactive Entertainment looking for a Software Engineer,Cloud Back-End (CDN)
"As a part of Sony Interactive Entertainment, the Cloud Gaming Engineering and Infrastructure (CGEI) team is leading the cloud gaming revolution, putting console-quality video games on any device.
As a Staff Software Engineer on the CDN Cloud Engineering team, you'll play a key role in the design and development of distributed systems which will help build a worldwide Content Delivery Network. This is a technical leadership role where you will be leading exciting initiatives and working with talented engineers to deliver cutting edge solutions for our end users."
https://boards.greenhouse.io/sonyinteractiveentertainmentplaystation/jobs/1475900
"As a part of Sony Interactive Entertainment, the Cloud Gaming Engineering and Infrastructure (CGEI) team is leading the cloud gaming revolution, putting console-quality video games on any device.
As a Staff Software Engineer on the CDN Cloud Engineering team, you'll play a key role in the design and development of distributed systems which will help build a worldwide Content Delivery Network. This is a technical leadership role where you will be leading exciting initiatives and working with talented engineers to deliver cutting edge solutions for our end users."
https://boards.greenhouse.io/sonyinteractiveentertainmentplaystation/jobs/1475900
That heatsink is probably for a lower power system (think sub 50W), one that is space-constrained, and one that is not cost-sensitive. Thus, I think the mostly likely candidate is PSVR2. In fact, the patent explicitly calls out placement of the SoC (or SiP as it was for the vita and in the patent language), near antennas, sensors, etc. It also calls out mitigating EMI concerns.
Yes, I was also thinking along these lines...
Actually a previous post from you made me think about it. It doesn't fit the leak regarding the power of the "base" console but it would make much more sense.
Base Xbox $399, High end $499/$549 with an SSD, vapor cooling, maybe a bit more ram, but same CPU/GPU
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This is good.
Could it be for the streaming tablet thing?
That's cool but Japan doesn't encompass the majority of Playstation's market.
Plus, i'm not Japanese so couldn't care less about that region's preferences. They also seem yo be buying up PS4s just fine (more than most european cointries).
I doubt it. The SoC wouldn't be high enough dissipation to warrant such an exotic solution, nor would it need 2.5D or 3D memory. A PS4Go would be a different story though.
Japan is borderline irrelevant now as a market for home consoles.
Ahh I see, a low power, stream only device would work then, that'll be even more Apple TV like, concerning size and function.
X1S, X2, X2X and a discless model.
I don't think that's a lot.
If Sony only has one model for the PS5 then my prediction would be they still keep PS4 and PS4 Pro for some time, so MS would only have one more model, the discless model. And as that's a vastly different solution I don't think that's going to confuse people.
I suspect it'll be limited in store space as well.
It could also be they have different offerings in different countries. I make the prediction the X1X goes because based on the murmurings it sounds too close to the X2 to have a rightful place in the line-up and they probably can't, yet, get it cheap enough to bin the X1S and have the X1X as the entry level legacy console.
But maybe they could have the discless model take that role in countries with the internet connection and appetite for it and hold on to the X1S with no discless model for the other countries.
So this is the new narrative people are going with? That Sony delayed the PS5 from 2019 to 2020?
I have yet to see a single credible report suggesting that happened.
so the rumors were true when was mentioned mid-gen consoles to become the main platform for next-gen.
I don't think this is what that's for though. It's over-designed and wouldn't be cost effective. Any random mediatek or other run of the mill SoC would work for a streaming only tablet to keep costs low.
So this huge story about Sony having planned to launch the PS5 in 2019, and then delaying til 2020, has somehow evaded sites like Kotaku and other credible sources of news, but a couple people here say it happened.
I guess as with everything in life, people are ultimately going to believe what they want to believe.
1. While insiders have and can point in X Y or Z direction, it's not true until it's confirmed by the console maker themselves
2. Xbox One X and PS4 Pro as the base for next gen whole be crazy disappointing imo. I sincerely hope that isn't true and that next gen's base is 8 cores @3Ghz+, 20GB+, 10TF+
the cpu upgrade alone is massive when they switch to zen2, so saying the x is the base isnt correct.
I've never liked the term "delay" here, because most seem to imply extra meaning when using that term. It makes it sound like Sony had pieces in motion and then decided to put on the brakes. Insiders on here seem to have implied the opposite. That Sony had multiple dates in mind (2019 being one of them) and instead opted for 2020 for a variety of reasons.
Personally, I'm not quite sure that the latter is worth a site like Kotaku reporting on. They accomplish the same thing by just talking about how PS5 seems set for 2020.
It's been obvious for a long time now that 2020 made the most sense for new consoles.
Last gen was 8 years for the 360, and 7 years for the PS3. Neither company was ever going to push that back to 6 years at a time when development budgets continue to grow bigger and time tables for major games get longer.
I was responding directly to his comment about mid gen consoles becoming the main platform. I didn't say anything about them if they do have better specs.
But even if the CPU is better (and we can't say until it's confirmed how much better) it's still disappointing to me that the Xbox One X and PS4 Pro could be used as the base for next gen even if they ended up being PS4 Pro+ and Xbox One X+. That's just imo.
I'd rather have the base be 8 cores @3Ghz+, 24GB, 11-13TFs, not 8 cores @3Ghz, 16GB and 8TFs. Much less the actual Xbox One X specs even with a CPU clocked higher
For those who know, if you're aiming for a $300 and $500 model setup, what do you have to sacrifice to cut costs by $200?
Everyone talks about the GPU flops, which makes sense, but wouldn't base RAM be impacted and CPU too? If so, how so (core count, etc) if not, why not?
My guess is the $300 would not only have a less powerful GPU but less RAM and a slower CPU but idk.
How does the opening of a position for one engineer lead to all this speculation about portable devices/streaming? Wouldn't they need a multitude of developers in that field and a lot more time to make this shift a reality.
the gpu part of the apu is by far and away the most expensive part. they will already be using the worst binned cpus for the consoles anyways.
So what do you see as the difference between models in CPU/ RAM?
very little on the cpu side. maybe 3ghz, instead of 3.2. if I had to guess say 16 in stead of 24GB of ram (which makes sense if its ment for 1080p tvs), and a hhd over a ssd.