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PS5 and next Xbox launch speculation - Post E3 2018
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The L,O and A are the exact same in both pictures. But the only thing that changes is the S
I really hope the go for this for branding purposes. So cool.
Vega 64 has 12TF and can be had for $500. Nvidia TF != AMD TF, and neither are 7nm. Console makers pay for wafers, not the margins of 3 different middlemen between die and finished board like graphics card makers.
I understand this, but even so. The theoretical computational capabilities of VEGA do not equate to real world performance. It's why NVidias cards still run circles around them. Despite having a lower tflop.
Not to mention 500 dollars is still 500 dollars for a GPU.YES Sony will be getting a custom manufactured APU that will cut down costs, but expectations need to be kept in check. We are not getting a 500 dollar equivalent GPU in the next gen consoles. It's not happening.
The current tech rumour is that AMD are planning a Navi card that will be replacing the GTX 1080 and Vega 64 cards' performance at a lower price point of $250 to $300.
thats also 2018 prices on 14nm, not 2020 prices on 7nm. 7nm of that power will be cheaper, than their 14nm version.
If that holds true, that would be seriously impressive and a game changer. But I've learned to hold my expectations with AMD any time they make big promises or there are big rumors. Ryzen definitely is a great product, especially for its price range but it was not revolutionary like they tried to make it sound.
We'll just have to see.
I'd just like to avoid meltdowns in this place when the new systems are inevitably not in line with peoples ideas.
I thought of that myself. It's a good point, but I just don't want to get my hopes up.
Seriously, that post was like clueless PC gamer bingo. All of the classic wrong assumptions.
Yeah, I get it. People hoping for 32GB RAM and stuff are going to be disappointed, but I think a 7nm Navi card at that performance range isn't really unrealistic. They're not really promising the world with a card that performs like a product that came out 4 years ago, at a lower price. That should be the least anyone expects out of them.
Ya'll didnt know Playstation 5 was coming after Playstation 4?
Nah bud, it really isn't. I understand that it's a custom APU. I understand that a die shrink gives higher yields, I understand that mass production of said APU will make it massively cheaper. I still don't think you are going to see the kind of leap some people on here are expecting. All of those factors combined plus the fact that TFLOPS alone are not as meaningful as people like to make them out to be (hence Vega performing markedly worse than the 2080 in most benchmarks.)
Peoples expectations are too high.
This isn't AMD claims. This is based on leaked rumors by a source that has shown to be correct in the past.
PS4 Pro doubled the PS4 in three years. XB1X tripled the PS4 in 4 years. But the PS5 can't double the XB1X in another three years?
PS5 will have the benefit of 7nm, which has yet to be realized in a consumer GPU or desktop class CPU.
I mean people are expecting around a 1080 performance for the ps5. I dont think thats over doing it give the x have around a 1060 in it.
I'm mostly skeptical because with each process shrink, the resulting performance boost has been increasingly incremental.
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For instance:
Obviously not a 1 to 1 comparison but AMD shrinking to 7nm process for Zen2 and they are only claiming a 13% IPC increase, and that's with architectural improvements as well.
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IPC has nothing to do with nodes. It's solely architecture dependent.
yes, but they are getting+ 20% perf at the same power stat at 7nm as well. ipc does not equal clock speed. the reasson 2.8 to 3.4 ghz keeps coming up is becouse that would be a very underclocked part, therefore a very low heat/power part.
1.25X at the same power. The more important metric is 0.5x the power for the same performance. So a theoretical 7nm Vega uses half the power at the same clocks to hit 12TF.
I'm guessing that in 2011 you probably thought that the PS4 would have no more than 2GB of RAM?
Yeah but that's 13% increase with half the TDP and cost. That means you can add more CUs (Next Gen Architecture) if you want to keep the same TDP as before.
I see no reason why we will get any less then vega 56 performance on the gpu.
It's disappointing there's been no or better detective work on gddr6 ram prices, surely someone knows how much nvidia are paying for there GDDR6.
But people just pull ram numbers out there asses without much reason.
Even if we can find out how much Sony and ms are paying now for there gddr5, it will give us a better idea on how much ram will be in next gen.
It's disappointing there's been no or better detective work on gddr6 ram prices, surely someone knows how much nvidia are paying for there GDDR6.
But people just pull ram numbers out there asses without much reason.
Even if we can find out how much Sony and ms are paying now for there gddr5, it will give us a better idea on how much ram will be in next gen.
No actually I was pretty optimistic about last gen, because MAJOR architectural advancements had been made between 2005 and 2013. And ram was cheap.
Look around the CPU and GPU industries the last 3-4 years. It's constant complaints about lack of true generational leaps in both sectors. It's not hard to find an article about stagnation in these sectors.
RAM is likely to be cheap again (or at least cheaper than it is now) by 2020, as the main manufacturers were recently caught out for price fixing.
But besides that, as others have said, very reliable rumors have the big 7nm Navi GPU offering 1080 performance at a consumer price of about $249 with a 150W TDP for the whole card. The assumption is that the PS5 will probably have that GPU, or something very close to it. The price will have nothing to do with your $700 RTX 2080, which I'm quite sure is being sold at a higher-than-normal profit margin due to the lack of competition. That or the RTX/tensor core tech is legitimately expensive, but the PS5 ain't gonna have that.
For sure, I'm very excited to see what AMD has up there sleeves, especially with the rumors that Sony engineers are pretty directly involved with Navi.
I'm not even saying I think the system will be underpowered. Merely for people to keep their expectations on the tamer side. I would be fully content if PS5 is about a doubling of PS4 pro's processing power.
I think it's most stark improvement is likely to be on its CPU side.
I suspect it's a little bit of column a and column b for the 2080.
What was the source for the Navi performance rumors?
doubling the pros gpu would not put it supper far ahead of the x gpu wise. it has to be better thsn that if its gunna be 399 or more.
We'd be at almost 9 tflops, but I think the big gains we are going to see are on the CPU side of things. One X is still essentially running jaguar. Zen and zen plus is a massive leap. I'll be pleasantly surprised if you are right on the GPU side.
I think all AMD is going to talk about at CES is 7nm and a general outline of what's coming. Not many details on Zen 2 or Navi.
I'm hoping that around GDC (March 18 - 22) we'll have some detailed architectural and performance leaks on the new consoles.
Neither do I, which is why I don't share your insecurities on this gaming forum.
Anyone can buy wholesale gddr6 1gb chips for $26 after tax.
I don't think its unreasonable to assume Ms and Sony will get a price of $6 per GB.
Sony spent roughly $88 for ram on PS4, so lets assume the budget is smiler.
So if they do go $399, that's 14.6gb, let's round it to 16gb.
So at 399 I think 16gb is the most likely amount.
I don't think its unreasonable to assume Ms and Sony will get a price of $6 per GB.
Sony spent roughly $88 for ram on PS4, so lets assume the budget is smiler.
So if they do go $399, that's 14.6gb, let's round it to 16gb.
So at 399 I think 16gb is the most likely amount.
dont get me wrong I would be ok with 6 to 10 tfps with zen2. this gen being so gpu heavy has created weird things. getting a better balance would be good.
The rumors of the $249 Navi with 1080 performance have been around for a while, but most recently it was, I believe, AdoredTV with a list of Zen2 and Navi stuff coming next year.
https://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-navi-everything-we-know,38242.html
There were plenty around in the run up to PS4/XB1 launch including some in the industry
If PS5 have GPU that has official 8gb gddr6 vram,does that vram usually integrated with GPU in console?
Or it comes without that VRAM intergrated inside and it takes VRAM from the big GDDR6 pool(16-24GB) that is used also for OS,gaming etc.
Same as PS4,is 8gb gddr5 also used for VRAM or does GPU in ps4 has his own vram?
Or it comes without that VRAM intergrated inside and it takes VRAM from the big GDDR6 pool(16-24GB) that is used also for OS,gaming etc.
Same as PS4,is 8gb gddr5 also used for VRAM or does GPU in ps4 has his own vram?
In fact I think that the "little one" will run games natively at 1080p (and upscale if connected to a.4k TV) the most powerful at 4k the CPU will be the same
There was no GPU on the market with 8GB of GDDR5 when PS4 launched. Also PS5 will be made a 7nm process. Finally, Nvidia teraflops don't equate to AMD performance.
I wouldn't go getting my hopes up, as this may also point to an early 2020 release. It does make late 2020 much less likely if true, though.
QUOTE="TheModestGun, post: 16101424, member: 35393"]For sure, I'm very excited to see what AMD has up there sleeves, especially with the rumors that Sony engineers are pretty directly involved with Navi.
I'm not even saying I think the system will be underpowered. Merely for people to keep their expectations on the tamer side. I would be fully content if PS5 is about a doubling of PS4 pro's power.[/QUOTE]
This. The Sony engineers working with AMD bit is quite interesting...
Not sure if this has been answered before in this thread, what was the level of involvement of Sony and the actual APU design in the PS4, and did they help at all its GPU components?
I'm not even saying I think the system will be underpowered. Merely for people to keep their expectations on the tamer side. I would be fully content if PS5 is about a doubling of PS4 pro's power.[/QUOTE]
This. The Sony engineers working with AMD bit is quite interesting...
Not sure if this has been answered before in this thread, what was the level of involvement of Sony and the actual APU design in the PS4, and did they help at all its GPU components?
I honestly don't care, I'm just hungry as fuck for next gen news. As good as this gen is, I can't lie I'm eagerly waiting for that first big info dump of new hardware. It's just so exciting.