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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!

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Jul 1, 2019
Seems Phil is in Redmond so will not be making an appearance at the AMD keynote.


Oct 28, 2017
It’s funny seeing everyone that said we shouldn’t believe the 9 TF Ps5 rumours quickly believe a tweet about the XSX being 9TF. Wow.
And the exact opposite happening from the other side. Such a freak out over a 9TF estimate when I heard it's perfectly fine. Then followed by a sudden appeal to insider rumors of 12TF when the past two OTs have centered around not trusting insiders and only relying on "facts". Anyone claiming to be above it all and not choosing sides is full of it. We all root for a team, and nothing wrong with that. Some just take it too far.


Nov 7, 2017
People here that say only 1% of costumers care about the power of their consoles are clearly vastly underestimating the number of enthusiast gamers or even tribalist gamers that want to say they chose the best "team". They even put a ludicrous "8K" on the SOC that is hidden deeply inside the box because it does matter the power marketing


Oct 27, 2017
It's interesting that we haven't heard much from Sony at all.

And here we have Phil Spencer showing us his big chip.
Is it really that interesting?

Sony have their own marketing and reveal strategy. I think the fact that they appear to be sticking to that (e.g. Feb reveal) shows that they're not freaking about anything MS are doing. Whatever the specs end up being, I'm sure Sony are fine with their approach.


Oct 27, 2017
If people are expecting an E3 like presentation (in terms of fun, or even pacing) for today's AMD CES one lol good luck

CES presentations are boring by nature, the only half fun one I've seen was the Tom Hanks' Sony disaster and the "or... a CEO" Qualcomm one.


Mar 17, 2018
I'm very thankful that I will be on the bus so I won't be able to watch this because I know it will feel like a waste of time after it's over.
May 25, 2018
If people are expecting an E3 like presentation (in terms of fun, or even pacing) for today's AMD CES one lol good luck

CES presentations are boring by nature, the only half fun one I've seen was the Tom Hanks' Sony disaster and the "or... a CEO" Qualcomm one.
AMD also just has the worst presentations in general it doesn't matter what it is. They don't have Jensen Huang to get everyone excited.


May 4, 2019
Man you are on a pipe dream...

14 tflops is never gonna happen.

Not even any chance of that.

The whole Apu is around 380-390mm2

The cpu will be bigger than jaguar one.

The gpu will be around 250-280 max so a 5700xt boosted at best 10-11(max)
And where is the RT core part? I think the RT will suck more than RTX nvidia. A 2070 is ~450mm² ok in 12nm but even with that, i'm skeptical


Nov 10, 2017

Editor's Warning: Die size estimations are always to be taken with a grain of salt. The slightest distortion/error in perspective correction can result in exponentially large differences. Use of certain lenses can also throw these calculations widely off. These are provided only for fun and to give our readers a "guesstimate" of the actual die size.

A picture of the upcoming Xbox Scarlett APU was posted by the 'head of Xbox' Phil Spencer and almost everyone went into a frenzy analyzing the die shot. This is our take and without any further ado, let's begin with the starting image:[/quote]

Here is our methodology (A big shout out to WhyCry @Videocardz for helping us with image processing): the original image was enhanced and then perspective corrected (prioritizing the die and not the package). The cleaner parts of the image were then oriented to scale using an older image of the Xbox Scorpio APU, using two different points as an anchor/scale key. The result is a roughly clean image that we can compare on an apples-to-apples basis to get a good idea of the size difference.

Now assuming Phil did not use a lens with too wonky a perspective (eg: some fisheye lenses), our results show us that the Xbox Scorpio and Xbox Scarlett APUs are roughly the same in width but the Xbox Scarlett APU is slightly longer in height. Our calculations put the Xbox Scarlett APU at roughly 401mm², which is an increase of almost 42mm² over the Xbox Scorpio chip at 359mm². The brand new APU features hardware-based raytracing (which seems to be all the rage these days) and a Zen 2-based CPU core.

Scorpio had 2560 SPs with 2 CUs disabled and while the Xbox Scarlett APU is clearly bigger, it is not possible to speculate based just on the die size because of the different process node involved (7nm vs 16nm) but we can safely say that you are looking at at least 50% more power in the same die space. Since the Scorpio APU can output roughly 6 TFLOPs of power, we can guesstimate a range of at least 9 TFLOPs for the Scarlett APU ( up to 12 TFLOPS is within the realm of possibility).

Interestingly, the chip mentions 8K, as opposed to 4K on Scorpio, which might be an indication of the maximum available resolution on next-generation Xbox consoles. Considering 8K gaming is simply not possible even on a 12 TFLOPs chip (unless you are playing with very rudimentary, low poly models), it is likely that 8K decoding will be supported on the upcoming console. In any case, Xbox will be presenting at AMD's CES Keynote that is going to be happening in a couple of hours so we might find the answer to our question very soon. That is all for this rather short post.
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