That would explain why they are all still seemingly continuing to be tested, but then that's a big can of worms as to why.
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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Ninja theory has 4 teams ,rare has 3 teams, obsidian has multiple , inxile has multiple. Etc this is why a lot of there games will be crossgen the first year or so, shouldn't just can projects like everwild to satisfy gamers weird infatuation with exclusivity when there API advances allow it.
The defense force behind this is laughable at best.
I get it. There are a bunch of people who don't think it's a big deal. But trying to play down concerns with:
- But PC
- But 360/XB1
- But did you see Hellblade
- 2 ports/versions of games
Is not going to convince anyone who thinks that the Jaguar CPU and slow ram/hdd speeds are going to get in the way of evolved next gen experiences.
If we can't agree that it's a legitimate concern (I believe it is), then I'm sure we can at least agree that Microsoft's messaging on the subject - has room for improvement...
That sounds like nonsense to me. I'd buy deep customization based on solid insights and optimization for Sony's needs, but this is clearly meaningless speculation. It's not two instructions per cycle, but two floating point operations per instruction. The use of floating point multiply + accumulate as a single instruction has very deep architectural roots for reasons that are relatively immutable (the silicon required to implement multiply is physically distinct from the silicon that implements addition.)
The PS4 Pro already implements this kind of packed math for FP16. It's not really anything new, and it's a common enough form of added parallelism that's already being exploited in modern GPU designs.
If it has dragons and you can ride and not just fight against I'm in.Really hope that Medieval game is real, next-gen Medieval R* game would be ridiculous. Seeing massive castles and fortresses in the distance, while you're riding your horse and each piece of your knightly armor clinks and clanks individually.
That's still assuming 1.8 Ghz. I ain't buying it. Someone's gonna have to prove to me that's sustainable over the life-cycle of a console.
I hate to break it to you, but many games are made and built around what you can graphically input on the screen without killing the quality of the image or the smoothness of the movement. Neither of those things would be possible to maintain for a game like Resogun prior to PS4. Every single piece from the number of voxels on screen to the smooth frame rate, it's designed to take advantage of PS4 hardware in a way to make the entire idea shine on screen. It's a masterpiece of game design and you fling it away because they could have made a much, mich lesser version of it in 360
I mean, it does run like crap and it plays at 540p... why are people using this as the example of what they want to see happen for base consoles during next gen transition? These consoles aren't played on a handheld device. They're on HD televisions.
Third party will do it anyway so as to not miss out on sales. People want Xbox to provide the next generation only games. Some people seem split on the idea of whether it's good or not. I disagree completely, but that's just me. Just put the box out in 2021 then.
Nothing wrong with their messaging.
Well before the games release, we'll see tons of detail at E3.
Nothing they'd say Now would change minds anyway. they've already said halo infinite would take advantage of the Series X hardware as a Launch showcase...and people didn't change their minds.
Keep the messaging in context. Matt Booty did that interview in November, a full year before XSX launches. They have 12 months worth of XBO consoles to sell between then and XSX. Why cannibalise your current platform this early by announcing that your future games won't be coming to it? We're still in January, there's so much time between now and launch to move towards a greater focus on XSX, and those ground up next gen exclusives that obviously do exist and will be launching beyond that first year launch window.
This is interesting that he posits direct obfuscation or "major" differences as opposed to the idea they are the same chips as has been suggested previously.
I don't get this "cannibalise" ideology. Unless we see a global bounce of Xbox One sales that counteracts the "end-of-generation" lull, then it's useless. Console sales are trending down, as they have historically,
It's a bit more complex then that.
Launch showcases typically target single hw because they pick 'a' nexgen aspect to highlight (eg. abuse of SSR and PBS in Killzone SF) and the timeline is way too compressed to hope for much else(and even so some ship on disc broken or incomplete, eg. Ryse and Forza), not because it would not be good economy to ship multiplatform skus.
And games that started dev way earlier than that(and are basically NG up-ports) aren't going to be tech showcases, but general fidelity increase(resolution, framerate, etc) is usually sufficient selling point for early adopters.
Debates will rage regardless of course.
They released ports of Resogun on PS3 and Vita. They were 30fps, but they played well.
Really hope that Medieval game is real, next-gen Medieval R* game would be ridiculous. Seeing massive castles and fortresses in the distance, while you're riding your horse and each piece of your knightly armor clinks and clanks individually.
R* world building in a medieval setting is the stuff of dreams. I probably won't like the way it controls, but I'll spend hours exploring and observing.
They reduced most of the effects, removed extra voxels on screen from the game, and had to drop the frame rate by half and the game itself looks more 2.5D than it is on PS4, but I'm glad you enjoyed that experience.
Who are you even talking to? Who said first party wasn't taking advantage of the hardware? You guys get wound up over nothing. I see the new console war battle line narrative now. "Next gen only" games. A way to discredit any games that aren't strictly next gen as somehow subpar.
You see in this thread .
People saying they won't be able to take advantage because there launch games or some other nonsense.
We gotta stop chasing people out if they have info yo. This place can get toxic as fuck when someone just knows something or likes looking at the numbers.
I just read Cerny and pulled out the bathtub gif
didn't even look at or read fully what it was even about until later lol
Of course they can take advantage. Optimization and rendering tricks improve over time but I'm sure first party will use all the resources they have: time allowing.
prob just about ppl arguing for/against Xbox SeX not having 1st party next-gen exclusives for the first 2 yrs
I don't think it's that deep. He got grief for the Dec 4 tweet, and is now serving a bit of crow.
It would be amazing if Sony actually pulled out one or two full-blown AAA PS5 exclusives for launch that had had 3+ years of development. It would, as you point out, normally be impossible, but imagine if they took advantage of the relative hardware continuity and started dev in 2017 on upclocked PS4 Pro devkits with SATA SSDs. Normally I wouldn't even consider the concept, but they have had a rather long drought. The last big AAA game they announced was in late 2017, meaning it began dev a fair bit earlier than that. So unless they just sort of stopped for a while, doesn't that mean the holiday 2020 launch will see PS5 games that had about 3 years?
I wild like all games downported to Nintendo GameCube so I never have to upgrade from 2001. Please and thank you.
Most of Sony's teams are on PS5 now, outside of the already announced PS4 titles the teams are working on PS5 kits for sure. And for most of them, they haven't released a game for 2-3 years.
He was tweeting about how by the end of the 2020's, he predicts there won't be any console companies making exclusive games.
So i guess they will try to make a game or show aspects of the SSD in games since it such a big jump .
Plus they would have them in dev kits for a while.
I don't even know why people got angry at that comment since it easy to see that is what going to happen .
Still Instead of console exclusive you will just get service exclusive .
Things will change but the war will go on in a different way lol.
Frozen Wilds released in September 2017, so GG would have had over 3 years to work on Horizon 2. Perhaps even more if they started after the main game released (February 2017). And they already get the advancements that Kojima made to the engine, so that might cut development time.
Insomniac NC possibly started work on a Ratchet and Clank sequel sometime between R&C releasing (March 2016) and Spider-Man releasing (September 2018). So they may have had ~3 years of development time.
I know that Shadow of the Colossus came out in 2018 but i can not wait to see what bluepoint has done on this hardware even if its a demon soul's remake i think they will blow some minds
They also vastly culled the particle/voxel fest, one of the main points of the game.
Gamers wouldn't be able to handle this.
You're both right, though this might just reflect longer dev times to get to the same quality of launch game. I hope not, though - finding out that this big gap in Sony's announcement schedule was all leading to a record-breaking AAA launch lineup would be great.
It's looking likely that Uncharted Team's game may target 2, hopefully a tease at PSMeeting/E3.
Well there team almost double in size so it could finish faster thanks to that .
Still i expect it to be 2021 game .
thanks now I remember that.
But what's up with blue cabbage tweet?
I've been hearing people stating that Ps5 ssd is faster than series X. Has this been officially confirmed. Or just tales from their ass.
It's great customer service. Think of all those people who can't even afford $99 consoles. They can get a GameCube for what $20 on eBay? Then you sell the cartridge at GameStop or GAME or whatever it is where you are. And you, the XSX owner, still get your games, while I the Nintendo player get to play them too. Win win.
Nothing about PS5 SSD is confirmed outside of they have one and they refer to it as Ultra Fast SSD.
There is a relevant patent that supports this theory, but still nothing confirmed.
Between them, Sony and Microsoft's consoles will sell half as much as the entire existing standard Blu-ray market. I'm not sure that's insignificant...but I don't have any expertise in component pricing, so you could be correct.
ROTR doesn't match with Ryse or AC Unity or Metro Redux, though. And its own successor that was not crossgen looked superior. FH2 was a better match for Forza 5, but it was also at half the framerate. It too is also put to shame by its nextgen-exclusive followups. Titanfall ran at 792p and with an extremely uneven framerate, was also graphically outclassed by the games I already mentioned, and likewise by its nextgen sequel.
Note also that you had to specify a small number of individual games that were notable for their graphical prowess. That alone is an argument that crossgen holds back visuals, or else you could simply point to any crossgen game at all and it'd be basically on par with any nextgen exclusive.
But you would only take those out of consideration if you were trying to redefine your way to winning an argument. "Just" lowered geometry, missing effects, less on screen, and less detail everywhere results in a completely different game. Graphical changes alone are enough to say this, with rising justification as the number of changes goes up. It's simply perverse to treat these alterations as superfluous, when all evidence shows that audiences respond directly to them.
People may buy new-gen games solely out of desire for better graphics--that's why they say they do in polls, for example. And it's what we saw at the last gen launch, when 360 versions of software rapidly declined in volume in favor of Xbox One versions, at a pace greatly faster than the increase in new hardware installed base versus the old gen. Yes, crossgen games look better in their nextgen versions...but they also don't have the graphical chops of exclusive titles. That's how eye candy drove Shadow Fall to sell millions and millions of copies, despite being a pretty mediocre game. (More tangential support for my argument is provided by the fact that devs often reach so hard for graphical excellence that performance suffers--Crytek made a whole career of this on console.)
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