He's absolutely right.In a perfect world it could be that everyone is without bias but
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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In a perfect world it could be that everyone is without bias but
Yeah I don't think being objective is possible so if people thought that reading my posts, I mistyped.
Yea but the only devs that really took advantage of it are ones who are making stuff that are more paralleizable than render pipelines. There's a reason CF/SLI are all but dead in gaming
He doesn't list specs, it's just a quick blurb while answering a question. The videos time stamped if you wanna take a quick listen.
Oh man, 3AM over here. I'm not staying up, I just know it's going to be 2 hours of TVs and headphones.
Are we still pasting this irrelevant table over and over again?i did the math earlier. if we assume 10% efficiency gains, and 1.7 ghz being the sweet spot for 5700xt in 2019, then they are already at 1.87 ghz (gonzalo clocks). add 7% for n7p improvements for launch and we can hit oberon 2.0 ghz clocks and even go higher to 2.1 ghz and still stay in the sweet spot for a 100-110w 36 cu gpu or a 150-160 w console.
the real question here is why would sony target ps4 and pro tdp numbers when they have a $499 budget this time around. would they really go ahead and make another $381 bom console?
Dual GPU is for PS VR 2, one per eye!
Maybe he's just going by what's been announced so far? /shrug There are still a tons of details we're missing from Sony, but what Microsoft has announced so far probably sounds more substantial to him. I'm not a mind reader, I'm just trying to explain what he could've meant with his terrible analogy.
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Gamepass being a "big draw" is something that hasn't actually been borne out in console sales.
It's available right now on the Xbox One and Xbox One X. It's made absolutely no difference in terms of Microsoft being able to move systems. We don't know what the total sales are for the Xbox family (since MS stopped releasing those numbers) but Sony has been more than forthcoming and neither the existence of the One X or Gamepass has slowed down the breakneck pace that PS4's are selling. The PS4 will end up VERY close to the PS2's final numbers, which is ridiculous given that Sony is still selling them at a $299 MSRP.
Expecting gamepass to move lockharts or scarletts when it can't move current hardware isn't realistic, imho.
He claims he knows the specs of the ps5 and once again call it a 1000$ (even up from his earlier 800$ estimate) machine and how he can't understand how they will get it down to acceptable price. The strange thing is that he have no problems putting a 500$ price tag on XsX.
This is Pachter but including every other insider that claims to know the specs of both basically saying the PS5 is similar or even stronger and no one backing down from those statements even after the XsX unveiling and this leak is weird. We also have our own Matt saying he is glad we stopped taking those leaks as confirmation of anything and also the fact that there were errors basically everywhere in it. The DF video sparked new interest in it but did not add anything not already discussed.
But it seems like some of our most frequent posters does not agree with what insiders have been saying and the leak is the true specs.
I am not saying anyone is wrong and the other is right just that it seems like you either trust what insiders are saying or you believe the Github tests are the real final PS5 specs.
'it has a better screen and an extra camera. It's not fasterand doesn't *do* things any better. The value offer isn't there to justify the XS (and now pro) price - it's a luxury offering if you have the money. The XR/11 is better value
thate be different from Lockhart/x1x. I get they may be aiming at people with 1080p TVs, but those people have to think how long they'll keep their TV - if they plan to update during the time they own the console maybe it's not a good choice. And they have to be comfortable that they aren't getting an 'afterthought' console - surely MS will be beating the 4K drum as hard as they can for the 1x.
"Objectivity", "logic", and "reason" have become dog whistle words for the alt-right. Specifically, people who claim to be objective as a basis for advocating responsibility for their words.In a perfect world it could be that everyone is without bias but
*mocking spongebob case* "How can I be a bigot when I'm just pointing out facts?"
Wouldn't them being dead be mostly be due to CF/SLI being a very tiny portion of the gaming community and thus not economical to support? Say every PS5 has 2 GPUs, that's a massive player base and gives devs a reason to develop for it. Plus if Sony's tools are as good as we're hearing they are it might not require much more effort for the devs.
Plus it's worth considering that AMD will have chiplets out in the not too distant future so we could be seeing dual GPU setups become more common on PC as well
Not necessarily saying the PS5 will have dual GPUs, but it's not 100% impossible.
You really think CB 4K and elimination of frame pacing issues would have significantly altered the balance between players?
Because consumers still have the XB1 perception. That's the problem and also because it was only until 2019 where GP has started gain serious traction. But putting HI, Forza, Gears, FS, Hellsblade II Day 1 is a big draw.
Like I say don't let your bias for Sony dictate anything and after lots of comments, I still suspect that Game Pass itself as a platform will likely be the biggest subscription/streaming service/platform since the economics is so against other gaming companies that even Sony cannot overcome.
Did you respond to the wrong person? The $399 is my predicted price for lockhart and I agree with your take on Cerny's words .Cerny seemed to be pretty clear in the wired interview that it would be more expensive than the PS4.
"There has always been a general range of pricing, will the PS5 be in line with that?"
"We will be able to release it at an SRP that will be appealing to gamers in light of its advanced feature set."
"Meaning, that it may cost more [RELATIVE TO HOW MUCH CONSOLES TRADITIONALLY LAUNCH AT] but what you're getting is well worth it?"
"That's about all I can say about it."
The system isn't $399. Cerny pretty much spells it out here.
Wow, that was their official policy? Sounds asinine tbh.
Agreed. I am perfectly happy with 30 fps but that frame pacing though. Thankfully, running it on Pro's boost mode alleviates issues somewhat. FROMSoftware are the lords of not giving any fucks about frame pacing issues that have plagued each and everyone of their games sans re-releases.
Reason is customize SoC. AMD provides design, asks for liscense fee, and TSMC charges MS for manufacturing, and then that's it. No more cost for SOC. It's not like that some one buys a bunch of GPU which is expensive, it's like someone bought the blueprint of the GPU&CPU, so that they can make it themselves with a much lower price. Consumer GPUs usually only sale for one or two years with profit, but consoles can sale for a much longer time, much more units, which brings down the design&liscence fee.
The OP put together by Mecha Meister is pretty much where we're at. Nothing has changed since then and they did an insanely good job putting it together. I recommend reading that through. At this point, it's pretty much waiting until February or until Microsoft announces something else.
I swear I typed the same thing and was about to post it but I decided otherwise. 😂
What "XB1 perception?" that it was $100 more expensive at launch in 2013? That hasn't been true forever. That it "wouldn't play used games?" Your average consumer has no idea about console launch drama nonsense. It's ancient history.
That the PS4 is more powerful? The Xbox One X has been on shelves for a while now and microsoft having the most powerful platform isn't up for debate.
"The problem" is that Sony is the market leader by something like 3:1, and the Xbox is a non-entity in 2/3rds of the world where Sony sells systems. THAT'S the problem microsoft needs to overcome, and as of yet they have not articulated a clear way around this. And no, Gamepass isn't it.
whether or not gamepass itself ends up being a successful streaming service is a completely different issue than whether it-as a service-can move consoles.
There's no data we have anywhere that shows it had a meaningful impact on moving Xboxes, or slowing down the rate at which consumers are buying PS4s. Not in 2019 or any other year.
In fact the opposite is true. Gamepass being present on PC means that one does not need to buy an Xbox to play Xbox exclusive games.
they may - but a wired article during a quiet period, which will naturally be then reported worldwide via news/blog sites, is very different than during one of the noisiest news periods for tech sites.
CES has been relatively quiet recently and isn't exactly reported heavily in the mainstream news though, so a ps5 reveal of some kind may be able to punch through and get enough air
$250 is a mindblowing price to think about
$250 is insane to think about considering what the xbox one x currently goes for. That's impulse buy territory.
😂😂Krazy Ken will dropkick Cerny during interview and reveal that PS5 has 24 TFLOPs, 32 GB RAM and 3GHZ clocks and costs $1999.
Time for 6th job.
The Whole Gamepass is still very new and need alot of time to grow and the direction might change. With growing exciting 3rd party games and big budget blockbusters, Gamepass will have challenges to maintain new content every month. And the quality of the games will be questioned too. Who knows , MS might get all next gen Launch games on GP but i highly doubt it.
Matter of fact that 3rd party also can start and have started subscription service is a bit gray future.
had my second thought too but couldn't help myself out , hehe
Isn't the SAD already $250? How on earth is Microsoft gonna price a next gen sku, even if it's a low end sku, the same price as their current gen box?
Sony was taking around $60 loss on the $400 PS4 at launch.
I expect the PS5 to cost Sony around $550-$600 landed at launch (mainly because of the SSD). They would take a $50 to $100 loss on each unit.
At $399, Sony would take a $150 to $200 loss with each unit. That would be triple the PS4 loss.
Is it unprecedented? No. PS3 cost almost $800 landed and Sony took $300 losses for initial units, which is utterly insane. I simply do not see Sony taking over $100 loss, much less $150 or $200.
It would be a crazy power move though! I'd love to see that :D
I'm guessing at most a teaser for the PS Meeting. Klee said Feb for the meeting so I'll stick with that for now.
Why is everyone getting so fired up about that Tom Warren tweet? To me it literally comes off as a shitty joke about the frame of the reveal trailer he posted, where the console is shown floating over water. It's not a dig at PS, it's just a sarcastic "XSX so good it floats!" Post. Chill fam. I know most here aren't console warriors but I feel some go too far the other way and see even slight attempts at humour (whether you find it funny or not) as warring.
Not to mention all the negative PR Sony is getting from the TF leak going mainstream.
499 and still sold with a loss.
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To be fair to most in this thread, they didn't get fired up. One or two people, including myself, did. I don't think it's fair to paint it as everyone. Especially if you're asking people to chill.
Gamepass has been around since 2017. Day and Date games to Gamepass has been a thing since Sea of Thieves in March 2018.
It is, if my calendar is correct, now January of 2020. Gamepass is not a new service, it is well established. And we still have zero evidence at all that the service is effective at moving consoles.
Is it successful at whatever plan Microsoft has for it? Probably, who knows. They seem to be all-in on the idea. But there is no sales data anywhere from Microsoft, Sony, Nintendo or otherwise that shows the existence of Gamepass has had any effect on console sales. PS4s and Switches are still flying off of shelves, the Xbox not so much.
edit: EA Access is another example- that service came about in 2014, but didn't show up on a Sony console until June of 2019. It made absolutely no difference that the Xbox had both EA Access and Gamepass available for years while Sony did not- the PS4 roundly outsold the Xbox One through those years regardless.
$299 is already insane for 3.2 GHz 8C/16t CPU with 4.2 TF GPU w/ fixed function RTRT and VRS custom APU Featuring NVME SSD, presumably with a controller.
All this low price and also with similar perf as their current industry leading 1X $499 MSRP flagship model. All coming to you launch 2020 alongside a $499 model that features 3x the perf at less than 2X the price!
color me skeptical.
Yeah, we're getting something. Not expecting much, but definitely a teaser of some sort.
Can you explain the relevance of the Github data leak? Is it just a kinda random snapshot of testing data or is it supposed to show the entire picture when it comes to the PS5 GPU?
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