PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!

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Omeganex9999

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For the record, if PS5 comes in more powerful than Xbox, I dont regret anything I've said. I'm not apologizing to anyone about my predictions. It changes my life not at all. Fact that speculation over what megacorporations are doing with plastic toys is being taken personally is ridiculous and embarrassing. This should be fun. Nothing else.
Everyone is speculating here. Unless you claim to have first-hand information, there's no need to be scared. Simple as that.
 

Pheonix

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Well that can go both ways. Been seeing folks back on the hbm, 13tf train.
I would take being wrong about HBM any day over being wrong about 9TF or 9TF vs 12TF claims.

The key reason being that the people pushing those kinda claims usually try and back it up with a lot of "facts" and sometimes even g as far as call out or ridicule other posters.
 

GING-SAMA

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For the record, if PS5 comes in more powerful than Xbox, I dont regret anything I've said. I'm not apologizing to anyone about my predictions. It changes my life not at all. Fact that speculation over what megacorporations are doing with plastic toys is being taken personally is ridiculous and embarrassing. This should be fun. Nothing else.
What do you say ?
 

Rumpestump

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Multiple people have stated they believe the XSX will be more powerful. Only one person has come out and said the PS5 will be more powerful.... so take that as you will.
Rainer, Klee, Colin moriarty have said they heard PS is stronger. Lots of people don’t say who they believe is stronger but they are close so could mean either way.

So no you are wrong.
 

Colbert

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If we suppose 4x16 dual CU that would be only 1 Dual CU per chip, no? Does not seem unreasonable.
You assume 4 Shader Engines. I am not. Not if you don't want to have unused die areas.You remember those carts with the GPU layouts I made? Try to find a layout with 64 CUs symmetrical and no unused area. If you found one give me a call. I will admit if I was wrong.
 

Patent

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For the record, if PS5 comes in more powerful than Xbox, I dont regret anything I've said. I'm not apologizing to anyone about my predictions. It changes my life not at all. Fact that speculation over what megacorporations are doing with plastic toys is being taken personally is ridiculous and embarrassing. This should be fun. Nothing else.
I think any prediction is fine as long as your not ridiculing or mocking others for theirs or acting as if yours is fact, then you deserved to be called out but otherwise its all gravy
 

Primethius

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Rainer, Klee, Colin moriarty have said they heard PS is stronger. Lots of people don’t say who they believe is stronger but they are close so could mean either way.

So no you are wrong.
Plus we have a leak from February that has the 4/12TF numbers for Xbox.

And Arthur Geis has also said that the 12TF number is what he's heard all year (pointing to no last minute bump).

It's a pretty even spread, with most of the talk of Series X being stronger coming from folks that are historically associated with Microsoft.
 

RoninStrife

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Guys, what is the general consensus on this? Regarding PS5 backward compatibility modes...



Time will tell...
 

PrimeRib

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The theme that both consoles will be similar in price and performance means we ought to maybe expect:

PS5: $499
Xbox Series X: $499

Lockhart @ $399

The predictions that people have posted with Lockhart at $299 seems too low once you consider the internals there. It's more than "just 4 TF GPU" - it will cost money to produce. $399 launch is $100 off what the Xbox One X retails for today and can be considered a solid replacement for, in 2020.
 

III-V

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You assume 4 Shader Engines. I am not. Not if you don't want to have unused die areas.You remember those carts with the GPU layouts I made? Try to find a layout with 64 CUs symmetrical and no unused area. If you found one give me a call. I will admit if I was wrong.
Can you repost or link if you have a moment? I don’t recall the details.
 

thuway

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You assume 4 Shader Engines. I am not. Not if you don't want to have unused die areas.You remember those carts with the GPU layouts I made? Try to find a layout with 64 CUs symmetrical and no unused area. If you found one give me a call. I will admit if I was wrong.
Wouldn't they just make it custom for a vendor if asked?
 

OneBadMutha

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The theme that both consoles will be similar in price and performance means we ought to maybe expect:

PS5: $499
Xbox Series X: $499

Lockhart @ $399

The predictions that people have posted with Lockhart at $299 seems too low once you consider the internals there. It's more than "just 4 TF GPU" - it will cost money to produce. $399 launch is $100 off what the Xbox One X retails for today and can be considered a solid replacement for, in 2020.
If they somehow deliver Lockhart at 300, that's an incredible achievement. The CPU and SSD alone are not cheap. Add in Navi architecture, hardware ray tracing and VRS....that's a lot to only lose 4k resolution.
 

AegonSnake

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The theme that both consoles will be similar in price and performance means we ought to maybe expect:

PS5: $499
Xbox Series X: $499

Lockhart @ $399

The predictions that people have posted with Lockhart at $299 seems too low once you consider the internals there. It's more than "just 4 TF GPU" - it will cost money to produce. $399 launch is $100 off what the Xbox One X retails for today and can be considered a solid replacement for, in 2020.
if the gpu is based on the 5500m series, it will be around half the size of the series x APU. or cost half as much to make. Assuming $150 for the series X APU, they are saving $75 there. If its $200, they save a full one hundred.

it has no disc drive, thats an additional $30 in savings.

It should have a smaller SSD. 500GB vs 1TB. no idea of the costs here but lets assume $20 minimum.

It shouldnt require vapor chamber cooling. thats another $20.

Smaller form factor. thats another $10.

4GB of RAM. Another $20.

$75+20+10+20+20+30=$175. it gets them very close to hitting $299.
 

Lady Gaia

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Didnt Spencer say something about Hellblade 2 being built exclusively for series x?
I believe the statement was more vague, along the lines of “all our studios are building exclusives for the Xbox Series X”, which can be easily misinterpreted, but only really says they won’t be on competing consoles. After all, aren’t we expecting every single Series X game to also run on Lockhart? Anything else would seem like a complete PR disaster. So the question of whether Xbox One / S / X are also supported is less clear and will likely follow some variant of the usual console transition.
 

Fredrik

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Multiple people have stated they believe the XSX will be more powerful. Only one person has come out and said the PS5 will be more powerful.... so take that as you will.
I’ve said for years that I think PS5 will be more powerful. So that’s two? ;)

Seriously though, who are these people and what’s their track record for getting things like this right?
 
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