Only the original One lacks a uhd player. Think they'd be fine not supporting it.
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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation launch thread |OT9| - For flops sake!
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Only the original One lacks a uhd player. Think they'd be fine not supporting it.
I don't disagree that MS are looking for a different playing field.. but I do disagree that it's a huge advantage for them. They still don't have streaming released and IMO the generation-less approach is one gen too early. Next gen with a solid CPU as a baseline that could work and maybe Sony will mirror that, but MS will have to leave xb1 behind sooner rather than later - but likely will have a kind of generationless 'lite' with xsx + Lockhart + PC to test the waters
Sony would hold out on specs until the point when they are ready to discuss the retail price of PS5.
Well original Xbox 360 consoles didn't have HDDs iirc but used memory cards and GTA5 required HDD so that game didn't work on those early versions.
Multi disc games are a thing now. Could be a suitable workaround.
Or just the simplest solution release only current-gen version and offer an update through network for various cross-gen games on next-gen consoles withou forcing custoemrs to buy the game twice or making such fuss about discs, exactly like how mid-gen handles things, until we finally ditch cross-gen next year and start targeting next-gen formats and games and platforms only.
Welcome aboard :)
Haha, same...
Not recent (uploaded in June 2013) but this is always interesting to watch and listen to the journey of how PS4 came about. Hope we get something similar for PS5 as well.
Did they? I didn't know that. I wonder how they knew it was more powerful than the ps4 pro before the PS4 pro was announced. Do you havea link?
I think you're onto something here. I can see this on both points.
People really hated that Minecraft, Battlefield 4 and GTAV came to the current gen. they make absolutely no sense.
Gamers are gonna really hate playing Halo Infinte co-op and their little bro gets his own TV. They'll hate playing firefight with their friends on PC or those that cant get Series X right away. None of this makes any sense.
Truth is, it makes plenty of sense to bring some games forward into the next gen. It many cases, a game doesn't need to be designed from the ground up for the new hardware in order to offer compelling gameplay and impressive visual enhancements. Due to the reality of the learning process, there are plenty of examples of launch games developed exclusively for new hardware that lack the polish and compelling gameplay of the crossgen titles they are up against. It will be no different for the launch of PS5 and XSX. It doesn't take a bean counter to see there's value in doing this.
Even years into next-gen, there will be game designs that still have massive appeal despite being possible on previous generation hardware.
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We'll see. Every Microsoft game is now available on PC. Some Microsoft games are available on PlayStation 4 (Minecraft, Minecraft Dungeons) and on Nintendo Switch (Cuphead, Ori). Every Microsoft game will be available everywhere soon, with xCloud.
I think the next step for Xbox Game Pass is to be available everywhere, which also means on PlayStation and on Nintendo consoles. It will take time (the Game Pass is officially available on PC only since this year), but I'm pretty sure it will happen.
Sony won't allow MS to afford a game store like xCloud on PlayStation
People keep hammering on about easy scalability but that's just not always the case.
Just look at Destiny as an example. They dropped PS360 support when the Rise of Iron expansion came out because they literally couldn't add anything new to the game without removing content in order to keep supporting the older gen consoles.
There were also limitations to things like the vault space and the amount of tabs in the menu that held back the PS4 and XB1 versions of the game.
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A dream scenario would be that all exclusives will be built for next gen hardware from the ground up while legacy consoles can play those games via xCloud.
Technically they would still support last gen machines while not having to hold anything back.
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I don't know why users are trying to convince themselves that commitment to cross gen development is no big deal. You can't just scale everything without decisions that will effect the grand scope.
Imagine designing a next generation game with the intention to support a Jaguar CPU, 1.3 GCN TF, and DDR3 in 2020.
PlayStation's onus should be to demonstrate software built from the ground up on the foundation of the SSD and Zen processor - we should have clear and present indications of what the virtues of the hardware are.
Imagine designing a next generation game with the intention to support a Jaguar CPU, 1.3 GCN TF, and DDR3 in 2020.
PlayStation's onus should be to demonstrate software built from the ground up on the foundation of the SSD and Zen processor - we should have clear and present indications of what the virtues of the hardware are.
because it will not impact in the longer run.
1-2 years of cross gen, basically games that already started being developed on Xbox One and then that is basically it. MS already have games being made on next gen hardware that we most likely will start seeing late 2021 or so.
besides, this is for first party games. It is not like MS is dictating everybody to do cross gen for two years.
I don't see how this is being taken as we never will see MS having games being made with only next gen in mind.
imagine developing this powerful console and don't take advantage of it. Who does this?
Gonna just try and help put this cross-gen thing to rest with you once and for all...
Yes cross-gen happens, but not from a first-party standpoint. Think of it, how many games did sony and even MS release in 2014 that were cross-gen? Most of the cross-gen spillover that happened in 2013 were games that released that year. And even then with sony, it didn't apply to all of them (GT6).
Yes, we expect the third parties to release most of their game as cross-gen titles, but that too only usually happens in the first year too. But we expect first party to have enough money to not need the shared userbase of both gens and to make stand out exclusive titles that showcase the benefits of the next-gen hardware.
The reason it's such a big deal now, and that people here and in the media are talking about it, is simple; MS has outright come out and said that for the first 2 years all their first-party output will be cross-gen. This means that the first true SeX exclusive you see from MS comes out around 2023. Third-party devs usually even stop making cross-gen titles by 2021.
What's even really sad here is the reason MS is actually doing this. But I m not going to get into that. I'll say this much though, MS also has Xcloud. If that ends up being all its touted out to be, then they shouldn't even need to have any of this ross gen nonsense as people an still play (stream) full-blown SeX exclusives on their XB1s.
I remember that video. Super interesting. I could listen to stories like that for hours!
Hopefully Cerny will be at the PS Meeting to tell us about the PS5. Such a cool guy.
I highly doubt gamepass in its current iteration and xCloud would ever see the light of day on a Nintendo or Sony platform. The closest thing would be a stripped down version that only offers Microsoft's games. Similar to EA Access. Would also require a separate subscription model that had to be bought on Nintendo's or Playstation's platform.
Could be a possibility that Sony is this quiet cause they want to go all out and crush the opposition.
When the first rumors appeared that the current gen consoles will implement DRM etc. noone at Sony denied anything. They did go all out at E3 though.
Apart from that. Do we really know more about the XSX than from the Playstation? Apart from the box itself?
When the first rumors appeared that the current gen consoles will implement DRM etc. noone at Sony denied anything. They did go all out at E3 though.
Apart from that. Do we really know more about the XSX than from the Playstation? Apart from the box itself?
Such an interesting listen, i'll never pass up the opportunity to listen to a presentation by Mark Cerny.
Can't wait for his PS5 reveal presentation.
So you believe sony would allow you to install an app on PlayStation that would mean you don't have to buy games anymore? Line MS pockets and simultaneously fast track themselves into irrelevance?
Ok. Let's see how that works.
Waiting up to 3 years to see "what next gen is really about" isnt making me want to buy a XSX...
This is why i am waiting for both to release their roadmaps and what they are planning. I buy every console every generation, but not always right away.
If the jump from X to SX is not that big i will keep my X and wait for one to two years before i buy it. This gen i bought a PS4 first because MS was very confusing in their messaging with the One and the and the games in my opinion where not that great. But as soon as they had a good library of games and of course gamepass and the upgraded console i bought the X.
luckily, you have options. If you absolutely need the next gen fix on release, then perhaps Sony is your go to console.
but otoh, games can still be great even if they are not coded to 100% on a next gen machine. I mean, there has been lots of great games this generation and none of them offered the possibilities of what next gen can offer.
but yeah, your comment does not remove the fact that cross gen is a transition period.
For example, Halo infinite will be the Xbox One/S/X swan song but perhaps ray traced and what not on XSX. so perhaps not a 100% next gen game but it can still end up being awesome.
I don't think xCloud will be available on PlayStation. But I think in the future, Microsoft first party games will launch on PlayStation and will be available with Game Pass.
Absolutely. Game Pass PC and Game Pass Xbox are currently two different subscriptions, with different games on each. I think the same will be true for Game Pass PlayStation and Game Pass Nintendo.
Sony has allowed Electronic Arts to launch EA Access on PlayStation, I don't see why they wouldn't let Microsoft do the same with Game Pass.
Yes, absolutely. Because Sony will take 30% of the price of this subscription and also 30% on each MTX/DLC for those games. Game Pass would also only include a small part of the content available on PlayStation.
Of course it would be possible. Xcloud is a streaming service, they have PS4 Devkits, they can port a version of their client over if they wanted to and if Sony would allow it.
I get the cross gen concerns, I share them. I would love to see new and unique experiences on the new consoles which leverage the new tech. However, if it really is only going to be for a year after launch, then I don't know that I'm hugely bothered about it. Currently, I can count the number of truly great launch games on the fingers of one hand, if this gen causes me to have to use use my thumb as well, that's about as much as I could ever hope to expect. Maybe things will be different this gen, people have made good arguments for why that could be the case this time around, but that doesn't strike me as overwhelmingly likely.
Exactly why I'm a lot more excited for PS5. I want those exclusives that take full advantage of next-gen hardware. I have a PC for w/e Microsoft puts out....which i guess feeds into their ecosystem and plan but I'm way more excited about next-gen exclusives.
I'm not about to shell out $500 on a system for "up-ports". Thats almost as crazy as buying an 8k TV right now when there's no real 8k content.
Don't you dare get our hopes up!.......commence 50+ pages of reading into Cernys use of words and body language 6 years ago to determine PS5 specs 🤣
Its not that people think that cross gen development is no big deal. People realize that one year of cross gen while new gen exclusives get extra time in the kitchen isn't going to hurt anything.
It's weird to see people acting like MS is never going to show off the hardware's virtue, and that next gen exclusives during the launch window are going to blow everything else out of the water.
Not only that, but the last round of old gen games have produced some timeless classics. Games like GTAV and the Last Of Us deserved to be brought forward. If a publisher believes they have some late-gen gems, why not enhance them for the new gen as well? If they can do it day-and-date with cross play, that's even better.
I love how the narrative has slowly crept to 3 years, up from the context of the original comment that suggests exclusives by the end of the first year of the XSX release.
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So since they are moving towards subscriptions can we expect them to that?
(Offer Gamepass to ps owners)
Haha u r one of the few brave ones with HBM train . U don't count ❤️😂
I think everyone fully expects and wants the bolded to happen.....
Yes, give us up-ports and bring late gen games onto the new systems with enhancements but don't leave out next-gen exclusives and force teams to develop for 7 year old hardware when designing a next-gen game.
I wouldn't, I'm still hanging on team 14 TFLOPS for both of them.
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