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PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
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You're under the impression that info that is leaked can only be current info and not old.
Well that's convenient. Ill be upfront I hate when insiders use that excuse but whatever.
So why exactly they are going all in with not just one but two consoles, one of which is absolutely beastly spec-wise; they could just release Lockhart and say it will run Game Pass perfectly and be done with it, now that even your phones can play your library from the xCloud. Software doesn't sell without hardware, and bespoke hardware you can control is the best way forward if you want to own your own narrative for the software side. Why would MS also acquire studios to produce AAA content if they are targeting phones and PCs and would consider leaving the console space, if the hardware is now also profitable enough to be dependent upon.
Devs wanted to use Ray Tracing and Path Tracing in games for 20 years now. So...
It's games catching up to old visions and not the opposite.
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Well, it's that time again folks. It's avatar time! I'm a little unsure of whether or not I should go with a theme for tonight's avatars. Jim, what do you think?
Indeed it is. But let's not dwell on that. 2Blackcats, Nickerbocker98, Toler Supreme, Logan Hardy. Please step forward. For the crimes of failing to guess the correct reveal date for the PlayStation 5, I hereby sentence you to have the following avatars.
2Blackcats, sometimes a drawing of a happy taco just goes wrong.
Nickerbocker98, ever wanted your food to be happy that you were about to eat it?
Toler Supreme, you gotta get new sock, man.....
Logan Hardy, have a nightmare, courtesy of me!
Whaddya think of that one Jim?
Ummmmmm. G'night folks.
Indeed it is. But let's not dwell on that. 2Blackcats, Nickerbocker98, Toler Supreme, Logan Hardy. Please step forward. For the crimes of failing to guess the correct reveal date for the PlayStation 5, I hereby sentence you to have the following avatars.
2Blackcats, sometimes a drawing of a happy taco just goes wrong.
Nickerbocker98, ever wanted your food to be happy that you were about to eat it?
Toler Supreme, you gotta get new sock, man.....
Logan Hardy, have a nightmare, courtesy of me!
Whaddya think of that one Jim?
Ummmmmm. G'night folks.
Because consoles are a part of their strategy. They just aren't the core of the platform anymore.
As for MS buying studios, that has nothing to do with the consoles. That has to do with trying to own as much of the content on Game Pass as they can, just like Netflix is doing.
I'll give you a hint: look for the time when they were cancelling games and closing studios.
They closed Lionhead in 2016. They closed Press Play in 2016. They announced the cancellation of Scalebound in January 2017.
Look at the games they released. Their big title for the second half of 2018 was Forza Horizon. That doesn't happen without a budget crunch.
This is a small point, but, uh, just discussing history isn't really what "Monday morning quarterbacking" is.
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Seems you are the winner, means you got away with a decent avatar. The others though, uuuuhhhh
Seems you are the winner, means you got away with a decent avatar. The others though, uuuuhhhh
A company that slimmed itself out, cut projects it decided weren't core to the path they wanted to go was AMD. Some differences of course, they had to do it to not run out of money, assure investors it wasn't a black hole, and profitable and future looking projects were cut like their mobile GPU unit who is now part of Quadcomm, and most likely the use of GCN so long vs Nvidia was a result but AMD focused funding and goals have paid off with ryzen.
Intel has all the money in world and it didn't help them keep up with AMD.
Focus and execution matters as well.
This is fantastic news. The XSX is a beast. I'm in day one. It's kind of funny that most of these comments in here aren't about the Xbox's power but more about what Sony is going to do about it. Live and be happy people, this is great news.
Actually this has been talked about since January in a Russian gaming site:
У Xbox Series X будет производительность аналогичная суперкомпьютеру IBM ASCI White
В 2000 году IBM создала суперкомпьютер ASCI White (Advanced Strategic Computing Initiative), который использовался Министерством энергетики США
www.gametech.ru
From a similar tweet that happened in January too:
This is from where the recent tweet originated.
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Wow Haha I didn't see this:
PS5 and Xbox Series speculation |OT11| Cry Havoc and Let Slip the Dogs of War [NEW NEWS, NEW THREAD - CHECK OUT THE STAFF POST]
Well, it's that time again folks. It's avatar time! I'm a little unsure of whether or not I should go with a theme for tonight's avatars. Jim, what do you think? Indeed it is. But let's not dwell on that. 2Blackcats, Nickerbocker98, Toler Supreme, Logan Hardy. Please step forward. For the...
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I can't say for sure what folks there know or don't.
I'm sure they have an *idea* at this point, but from my experience they wouldn't know for sure until Sony actually announces.
#TeamSonyIsn'tReadyForTheDeathofGensXSX499
Gamepass and 299 RTless LockHeart are too Stronk for the $399 8.6 tf ps5
Gamepass and 299 RTless LockHeart are too Stronk for the $399 8.6 tf ps5
Well shitWell, it's that time again folks. It's avatar time! I'm a little unsure of whether or not I should go with a theme for tonight's avatars. Jim, what do you think?
Indeed it is. But let's not dwell on that. 2Blackcats, Nickerbocker98, Toler Supreme, Logan Hardy. Please step forward. For the crimes of failing to guess the correct reveal date for the PlayStation 5, I hereby sentence you to have the following avatars.
2Blackcats, sometimes a drawing of a happy taco just goes wrong.
Nickerbocker98, ever wanted your food to be happy that you were about to eat it?
Toler Supreme, you gotta get new sock, man.....
Logan Hardy, have a nightmare, courtesy of me!
Whaddya think of that one Jim?
Ummmmmm. G'night folks.
They don't need Xbox the way they used to, but that doesn't mean they're idiots. They're not going to leave money on the table they can suck up versus other hardware makers, and the Microsoft of the 2010s has learned more than a few lessons from Apple—if you control the whole stack you're always in a better position.
Game Pass is about GaaS revenue and expanding the potential customer base past people who would buy their consoles. If it cannibalizes Xbox to some degree, I don't think they much care. But that's not the same as making hardware irrelevant.
Beyond pure economics, I think there's something of a halo car/prestige element to this. They suffered a dozen self-inflicted wounds this generation, and I think there's a conscious choice to overtly demonstrate their chops this go-round. Sometimes stuff comes down to pure ego.
Computex in June but they may hold off on talking RDNA2 until E3 a week later.
The more I think about it, the more I realize that 12 TFLOPS RDNA2 in a console is fucking insane.
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So you would also state Sony cut Playstation funding when they closed Guerilla Cambridge, Evolution studios, Manchester studio recently or is that not a correct way to put it? Or is that not the same.
Given that my suggestion would require precognition on the part of folks from Sony, I think it's safe to assume sarcasm.
If SIE closed a bunch of studios and cancelled their games while also cancelling externally developed games and it wasn't clear where that budget was being reallocated to? I'd suspect that SIE was trying to trim its operating budget, yes.
Only Sony knows that.
Power isn't everything. Should Sony be far behind in power, then I'm sure Sony will come out swinging with reveals of plenty of next gen games. Microsoft seems to have the services (and at this point, power) but at the end of the day it's the games that will matter.
Did you see a rash of game cancellations? Did Sony's first party line-up shrivel to almost nothing in any year this gen? You'd have to be willfully blind not to see Microsoft's belt tightening in the middle of this gen.
So maybe... just maybe MS was trimming their operating budget in some areas while focusing on other things at the time. Maybe ramping up spending in other areas like in One X, Scarlet, future acqusitions maybe. Just a thought.
And when combined with the Zen 2 CPU cores and NVME SSDs, I can only imagine what kind of games we're going to be seeing in the years ahead.
Dude, Daniel wasn't wrong. They obviously have a budget now. What are you trying to do?
You don't plan to shutter a studio like Lionhead and cancel a AAA game to fund your next-generation hardware development. That doesn't make any sense at all.
And you don't close studios you already own just to fund buying new studios. Why on Earth would you do that? You would be lighting millions of dollars on fire by spinning down one studio just to acquire another.
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That's because it is.
I am betting that we'll have games that'll look and animate like this:
This is interesting development. Between Sony radio silence, Oberon leak and Bloomberg article I start to see an image not to pretty in a short term. Basically, I think Sony targeted 400$ and failed because of SSD and GDDR RAM costs. That left them in uncomfortable position when they have to be cheaper, but don't know by how much and if it's even possible at the moment. Basically last launch in reverse. I also noticed how purposeful was Phil's post. He didn't mention RAM, nor SSD, nor clocks. He gave us a number, backwards compatibility, RDNA2, hardware raytracing, audio raytracing, multi-suspend and free upgrades for willing parties. Basically it looks like he is dismantling PS5 differentiation as shown at CES presentation and grabbing all the momentum he can. When I recall his face when he had to say 499 at X1 presentation, it looks like his taking his sweet revenge right now.
It's really amazing how he reinvigorated Xbox brand and put the ball on Sony's side. It will be fun to watch. Also, to everybody reading too much into phrasing - they will never claim to be most powerful until Sony gives out specs. It has nothing to do with confidence.
Today made me really excited for next gen and I'm planning to be in day 1. Since Sony bought Insomniac I will be having both, especially that my wife made it very clear that God of war sequel is a day 1 purchase for us ;)
It's really amazing how he reinvigorated Xbox brand and put the ball on Sony's side. It will be fun to watch. Also, to everybody reading too much into phrasing - they will never claim to be most powerful until Sony gives out specs. It has nothing to do with confidence.
Today made me really excited for next gen and I'm planning to be in day 1. Since Sony bought Insomniac I will be having both, especially that my wife made it very clear that God of war sequel is a day 1 purchase for us ;)
They'll be fine and sell more worldwide.
If Xbox is more powerful, they will probably recover more market share in the USA / UK
I think the PS2 was weaker than the Xbox and still annihilated it. Of course MS has strong 3rd party support now, but it'll all come down to the exclusive games and how effectively Sony can deliver them over the next 2-3 years. Also if multiplat games have significant differences in performance and PS5 is at the same price that could be problematic.
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