PS5 exclusive Final Fantasy game may be revealed in June (not Endwalker, XVI or VIIR)

Deleted member 81119 · May 23, 2021

Ozma said:
I'd rather VI just get something akin to the Romancing Saga remasters.

Yeah I'd rather they just do nice simple remasters of each of the games, and that way if they do want to do a grand AAA remake, they're only doing it because they have a creative vision for it.

Tetsujin · May 23, 2021

Ferrs said:
He said real time combat. Remake is a hybrid behind Action and turn based so he's still right. FF never had anything notable action wise.

Transistor said:
FF7R's combat isn't realtime though. It's realtime / atb hybrid

I'm puzzled that it could *not* be considered realtime tbh. That's how you primarily play it. They may call the mechanic where you fill up gauges "ATB" but it isn't even remotely like anything turn-based so I wouldn't even call it a hybrid, imho.

Deleted member 56266 · May 23, 2021

Navtra said:
It just shows how wide the spectrum of things that could be technically called "Souls-like" really is.

Yeah true, I'm not sure what even binds them all together at this point other than I guess challenging encounters and checkpoint design. Even that is flexible. Regardless I'm excited for a fresh spin on the series.

Transistor · May 23, 2021

Tetsujin said:
I'm puzzled that it could *not* be considered realtime tbh. That's how you primarily play it. They may call the mechanic where you fill up gauges "ATB" but it isn't even remotely like anything turn-based so I wouldn't even call it a hybrid, imho.

It's essentially turn based with a real time chip damage element added in. You never rely on just attacks and have to use your ATB skills to do anything meaningful. So, in essence, it's a hybrid.

Transistor · May 23, 2021

Tetsujin said:
I'm puzzled that it could *not* be considered realtime tbh. That's how you primarily play it. They may call the mechanic where you fill up gauges "ATB" but it isn't even remotely like anything turn-based so I wouldn't even call it a hybrid, imho.

It's essentially turn based with a real time chip damage element added in. You never rely on just attacks and have to use your ATB skills to do anything meaningful. So, in essence, it's a hybrid.

Aru · May 23, 2021

Man, reading about the game being some kind of JFO or Souls-like doesn't appeal to me for now. JFO was decent though.
I love FF, so maybe it could be the game to make me like Souls-like elements. Closest Souls-like games I enjoyed enough for now were JFO and Darksiders 3.

jett · May 23, 2021

Is this gonna be some musou trash?

Ferrs · May 23, 2021

Tetsujin said:
I'm puzzled that it could *not* be considered realtime tbh. That's how you primarily play it. They may call the mechanic where you fill up gauges "ATB" but it isn't even remotely like anything turn-based so I wouldn't even call it a hybrid, imho.

ATB is still a core mechanic of the game, both in terms of skills and obligatory character switching. You can't just play the game like an action game.

jett said:
Is this gonna be some musou trash?

Everything points at Nioh-like so far.

SolidSnakex · May 23, 2021

jett said:
Is this gonna be some musou trash?

It's confirmed to not be a Warriors game.

DiipuSurotu · May 23, 2021

Transistor said:
It's essentially turn based with a real time chip damage element added in. You never rely on just attacks and have to use your ATB skills to do anything meaningful. So, in essence, it's a hybrid.

So Secret of Mana and Trials of Mana are turn-based?

TheRealTalker · May 23, 2021

The age of FF CGI cutscenes are over. Watch FF7 Part 2 not have any either. The future is great.

Julius Novachrono · May 23, 2021

Is there really a need for soulsborne Final Fantasy??

I mean....why?

Kalentan · May 23, 2021

Hercule said:
What if it's a FFXIV single player game?

While they won't be making FFXIV itself single player, Yoshi-P has expressed interest in SP spin offs exploring the setting.

Macca · May 23, 2021

Julius Novachrono said:
Is there really a need for soulsborne Final Fantasy??

I mean....why?

Square Enix executive's brain:

"Final Fantasy = Big
Souls = Big
More opportunities to sell Square Enix merch = Gigantic."

Greenlit.

Deleted member 56266 · May 23, 2021

Julius Novachrono said:
Is there really a need for soulsborne Final Fantasy??

I mean....why?

is there a need for anything

c bweezie · May 23, 2021

I'm thinking a beefed up version of that ff15 comrades game.

Julius Novachrono · May 23, 2021

Ryuji said:
is there a need for anything

Yes, when there is high demand for something. I don't know if the FF audience demands a souls like game. I certainly don't, and I am a huge FF and KH fan

KeRaSh · May 23, 2021

Julius Novachrono said:
Is there really a need for soulsborne Final Fantasy??

I mean....why?

Yes, there is.

Shadowrun · May 23, 2021

jett said:
Is this gonna be some musou trash?

Maybe check the theadmarks before grumpy posting. They often contain vital information that address common hot takes.

Julius Novachrono said:
Is there really a need for soulsborne Final Fantasy??

I mean....why?

I would agree, if this was internally developed at Square. However, Nioh is excellent. If anyone other than From can make the concept work for a new IP, it's probably that dev team.

Tetsujin · May 23, 2021

Transistor said:
It's essentially turn based with a real time chip damage element added in. You never rely on just attacks and have to use your ATB skills to do anything meaningful. So, in essence, it's a hybrid.

I don't really consider filling up gauges for special attacks turn-based, not when movement, standard attacks, blocking and dodging still happen in realtime. I think calling it "turn-based" is a bit of a stretch.
Command-based may be a more appropriate descriptor perhaps but even then it's still mostly realtime action.

Ferrs said:
ATB is still a core mechanic of the game, both in terms of skills and obligatory character switching. You can't just play the game like an action game.

I mean, it's not a DMC i.e. a character action game, but...I'd still absolutely consider it realtime action.

silva1991 · May 23, 2021

Julius Novachrono said:
Is there really a need for soulsborne Final Fantasy??

I mean....why?

Souls games are bigger than Final Fantasy now. It wouldn't be surprising if Square wants to appeal to that audience.

Transistor · May 23, 2021

Tetsujin said:
I don't really consider filling up gauges for special attacks turn-based, not when movement, standard attacks, blocking and dodging still happen in realtime. I think calling it "turn-based" is a bit of a stretch.
Command-based may be a more appropriate descriptor perhaps but even then it's still mostly realtime action.

I'm not calling it turn based. I'm calling it hybrid. It's not a one or the other.

Ferrs · May 23, 2021

Julius Novachrono said:
Yes, when there is high demand for something. I don't know if the FF audience demands a souls like game. I certainly don't, and I am a huge FF and KH fan

The error is thinking this is aimed for the hardcore FF fans.

Dark Souls III and Jedi Fallen Order sold 10 million copies.

VermillionA · May 23, 2021

Navtra debunked the Warriors/Ivalice rumours yet hasn't said it's not a souls like despite posting multiple times since then. It's happening.

GamerJM · May 23, 2021

We basically already did the Final Fantasy I reimagining thing with Final Fantasy: Four Heroes of Light on the DS.

Cjdamon042 · May 23, 2021

Julius Novachrono said:
Is there really a need for soulsborne Final Fantasy??

I mean....why?

They're popular and it's something FF as a brand hasn't attempted yet, so why not? I can personally see it working really well despite not really being big into Soulslikes.

Even if the FF audience doesn't necessarily demand one, those that like those sorts of games might be drawn to it and then potentially be interested in checking out other FF games.

LowParry · May 23, 2021

Kalentan said:
While they won't be making FFXIV itself single player, Yoshi-P has expressed interest in SP spin offs exploring the setting.

Clearly we need a detective game -wink wink-

Julius Novachrono · May 23, 2021

Ferrs said:
The error is thinking this is aimed for the hardcore FF fans.

Dark Souls III and Jedi Fallen Order sold 10 million copies.

I will kindly remind you that the star wars game had as an audience the star wars audience and the dark souls 3 had an audience the dark souls audience.

What happens when you make a game that your audience doesn't want it?

I'm very sceptical of the genre in relation with the FF brand. But I will wait until I see gameplay. For now it's a "meh" from me

KeRaSh · May 23, 2021

silva1991 said:
Souls games are bigger than Final Fantasy now. It wouldn't be surprising if Square wants to appeal to that audience.

Eh. DS3 sold really well, but that alone doesn't elevate the Souls series above Final Fantasy in any meaningful way.
That being said, I would really like to see a mashup of those two series.

JuniperAndSage · May 23, 2021

Julius Novachrono said:
I will kindly remind you that the star wars game had as an audience the star wars audience and the dark souls 3 had an audience the dark souls audience.

I think there's about as much proof that the Star Wars audience wanted a soulslike, as there is that the Final Fantasy audience wants a soulslike, i.e. none.

Deleted member 58141 · May 23, 2021

VermillionA said:
Navtra debunked the Warriors/Ivalice rumours yet hasn't said it's not a souls like despite posting multiple times since then. It's happening.

It's tricky. It's certainly Souls-inspired, but it's not exactly what you'd imagine when you hear "Souls-like FF".

Famassu · May 23, 2021

I'd want a FFVI Remake to be more like FFIV DS except with higher production values more fitting modern platforms. That would actually be doable in a single game. I don't really want a FFVII Remake like multigame treatment for VI.

KeRaSh · May 23, 2021

Navtra said:
It's tricky. It's certainly Souls-inspired, but it's not exactly what you'd imagine when you hear "Souls-like FF".

So the story is being told via loading screens but the gameplay is that of a match 4 type mobile game. Gotcha!
Non-SSD console versions will be the definitive experience!

/s

Seriously, though. This is getting very interesting...

7th_heaven · May 23, 2021

pleaseinsertdisctwo said:
Honestly I get where you're coming from because I'll say "Switch has no JRPG's"

and they'll be like

Octopath
#FE whateverthehell
Pokemon
Monster Hunter

and I'll be like "yeah not that"

Or me saying "I feel like there's not many JRPG's on PS4" and people will be like

Trails
Atelier
some other series with an anime art style I don't like

and I'll be like "yeah not that"

And if it's not a high budget game I want the game to feel like it's super ambitious to like kind of make up for it if that makes sense

But I don't want indies, and I want at least a decent budget, no dating sim elements, no trashy art style

so I guess I'm picky

I mean... the cutscene direction in XV is not comparable to the cutscene direction in VIIR

not all FF's or SE games have good cutscene direction (unfortunately)

Yeah it the first time I played a FF game had great cutscene almost like a good TV series.

TheRealTalker · May 23, 2021

Navtra said:
It's tricky. It's certainly Souls-inspired, but it's not exactly what you'd imagine when you hear "Souls-like FF".

interesting

Cjdamon042 · May 23, 2021

Navtra said:
It's tricky. It's certainly Souls-inspired, but it's not exactly what you'd imagine when you hear "Souls-like FF".

Huh...Soulslike but not what you'd imagine it would be? In my head I'm picturing basically a straight up Soulslike but with a FF coat of paint. I'm trying to think what it could be that makes it not as simple as that.

CRIMSON-XIII · May 23, 2021

Navtra said:
It's tricky. It's certainly Souls-inspired, but it's not exactly what you'd imagine when you hear "Souls-like FF".

I would imagine an aspect to this deals with a more streamlined difficulty. Something more standard to the FF playerbase.

Ferrs · May 23, 2021

Both Nioh and Fallen Order have pretty big differences to Souls games so not surprised.

Emerald · May 23, 2021

CRIMSON-XIII said:
I would imagine an aspect to this deals with a more streamlined difficulty. Something more standard to the FF playerbase.

Probably with it being more story based too, compared to souls's more environmental storytelling.

silva1991 · May 23, 2021

Navtra said:
It's tricky. It's certainly Souls-inspired, but it's not exactly what you'd imagine when you hear "Souls-like FF".

Perhaps Souls gameplay design, but with fixed characters and no builds.

plow · May 23, 2021

I don't Like Souls Games, so this would be a big meh from me.

BlueManifest · May 23, 2021

Ozma said:
I'd rather VI just get something akin to the Romancing Saga remasters.

Yea I wouldn't mind that either, I don't want 3D though, 3D isn't ff6 imo

actually like this look more than octopath

Rotobit · May 23, 2021

Navtra said:
It's tricky. It's certainly Souls-inspired, but it's not exactly what you'd imagine when you hear "Souls-like FF".

Well there we go I guess haha, I'm on board if it's not as strict and the checkpoint design isn't like FromSoft's.

Tornak · May 23, 2021

Well, there it is. Very curious! Don't know what to expect.

I was going to say maybe a bigger focus on the story and cast (and a established MC) and all of that, but there's been games within this sub-genre dealing with a less ethereal narrative approach compared to From and a more traditional one.

So I really don't know.

CRIMSON-XIII said:
I would imagine an aspect to this deals with a more streamlined difficulty. Something more standard to the FF playerbase.

Honestly, a more accessible/less punishing game is exactly the first thing that crosses my mind if I read Souls-like FF title (even if we were to assume Team Ninja, of all companies, are the devs). Similar to what Jedi did tbh (a popular IP adapting the formula).

benzy · May 23, 2021

Navtra said:
It's tricky. It's certainly Souls-inspired, but it's not exactly what you'd imagine when you hear "Souls-like FF".

Any ninja gaiden-like in it? 🤔

Morrigan said:
Team Ninja literally just wrapped up Nioh 2 so it seems unlikely they'd have a demo ready to play that soon. Nioh 2 was released 3 years after Nioh 1 (with their first demo, the Nioh 1 alpha, being 10 months before the full game came out), and Nioh 2 already re-used a lot of assets from Nioh 1 too, but now suddenly they have another big project ready to go with the Final Fantasy IP attached with entirely new assets, demo-ready barely a year after their last game came out?

I dunno, seems like a stretch. I wonder if the dev is Koei Tecmo but not Team Ninja, or TN just partially contributes like they did with a bunch of other games. Team Ninja doing the combat would excite me, but anyone else... nahhh

I do know teams can work on multiple projects, and maybe Team Ninja is bigger than I thought, so I'll happily eat crow if I'm wrong.

There's 200 people at Team Ninja.

Not sure how many were needed to make a game like Nioh though.

Famassu · May 23, 2021

7th_heaven said:
Yeah it the first time I played a FF game had great cutscene almost like a good TV series.

FFXII generally has some pretty great cutscene direction.

Rbz · May 23, 2021

So if it isn't Ivalice, then a familiar setting has to be a spin-off from one of the numbered titles, right? I can't think of any other persistent FF setting outside of Ivalice and numbered titles.

TheCed · May 23, 2021

Can't complain as I have FFVIIr, FFXVI and that potential new DQ game to look for.

So if it's a Soul like game, it's gonna be a no buy from me but good for those who are into that.

Dreamboum · May 23, 2021

Rybosome said:
So if it isn't Ivalice, then a familiar setting has to be a spin-off from one of the numbered titles, right? I can't think of any other persistent FF setting outside of Ivalice and numbered titles.

I think an established setting just means any of the FF worlds, not something that has persisted across games

7th_heaven · May 23, 2021

Famassu said:
FFXII generally has some pretty great cutscene direction.

It had great graphic but boring story scenario. Honestly FF12 & FF13 had redundancy cutscene, characters talk so much make me sleepy.

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