duke did ^, or do you doubt his calculations? we can always have others here to verify the size (i personally am not really good at this sort of stuff).
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PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?
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It could be 4,6,8, it don't matter. Consoles use VRAM memory for everything because their RAM pool is unified, but games don't rely only on video memory, that's why on PC you have system RAM to go along with the video RAM of your GPU. Those 13GB aren't really that much when you consider these things.
I am bad at it too, thus I never do it myself. 😁
Did not know DukeBlueBall did measure it.
If it is really 380mm^2 - and we assume this now - then it should be the Xbox Series X.
Series X chip comparison (illustration vs photo)
Look at the capacitors in both images. Even with the different angle, bad quality, and one being a picture and the other a render, you can clearly see the layout and count relative to the SOC are the same.
But at the end the 8 GB for VRAM is duplicated in RAM. Here like I said 10/11 GB of GDDR6 will be use for VRAM and 2 to 3 GB for other system and the SSD will be used for steaming. For doing the same on PC you need 16 GB of DDR4 and 10/11 GB of VRAM.
10/11 GB of VRAM is like high end PC card and enough for 4k.
And this is enough because of the SSD.
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Sure but the main memory pool on a PC is much slower than the consoles GDDR6. Additionally the hard drive is likely to be much slower than the hard drive on either console.
Theres also no PCIE transfer cost on a console, also reducing the amount of caching you need to do in VRAM.
Could be that Lockhart is using XSX chips that dont make the Yield?
That would still mean rather expensive chips, not the $299 console people were hoping for that's for sure, that's assuming Xbox series X chip's yield isn't absolute terrible to the point that they have significantly more faulty chips than working ones.
Not sure. Of they were destined for the bin, maybe it's ok.
I have no idea if they could do that, but apparently AMD does it with their line of RDNA cards at the moment, so maybe MS could follow suit.
Re: the Hellblade 2 trailer, similar to how I don't believe Cerny was lying when he said the PS5 will have hardware-accelerated RT, I don't believe Phil was lying when he said it was running in real-time.
www.gamespot.com
Hellblade 2 Revealed For Xbox Series X, Continuing Senua's Saga
Microsoft showed off Senua's Saga: Hellblade II during The Game Awards, running on the Xbox Series X.
www.gamespot.com
with that weak ass CPU? No way.
edit: I was reading this as Xbox One X chips for some reason. sorry.
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Are we sure though? I mean, it's good guy Phil. Maybe he's had enough like the rest of us, and with the absence of PS5 info he has started doing their PR for them. He is that good! 😂
It was probably running in "real time", but it's real time was 24fps, not a game frame rate, so technically it had a bigger frame budget than a console game, which some will say doesn't count as "running in real time"Re: the Hellblade 2 trailer, similar to how I don't believe Cerny was lying when he said the PS5 will have hardware-accelerated RT, I don't believe Phil was lying when he said it was running in real-time.
Hellblade 2 Revealed For Xbox Series X, Continuing Senua's Saga
Microsoft showed off Senua's Saga: Hellblade II during The Game Awards, running on the Xbox Series X.
I am confused, they asked whether Lockhart could be binned Xbox series x chips, not Xbox one x.
That's fair, but I think there's a big gap between that statement and saying the demo was pre-rendered, as was being argued a page or two back.
I actually didn't know that Phil had said anything about it being in real-time, I just remembered what he said on stage. So definitely not pre-rendered.
But yeah, it being 3840x1608 and 24fps does make it a little iffy. Personally I actually do think it's a good representation of what we will get from AAA next-gen games at at least some point, especially with reconstruction, but I do still wonder if it's what we'll get right from the start. I'm looking forward to finding out.
When they will see trailers and demos from both sides, they will look back and recnsider the false assumptions they said about HB2.
We have already Project Mara done by the same devs and using the same engine that many overlooked yet the more we get stuff like this, the more such claims will be revealed to be clueless and baseless.
Re: the Hellblade 2 trailer, similar to how I don't believe Cerny was lying when he said the PS5 will have hardware-accelerated RT, I don't believe Phil was lying when he said it was running in real-time.
Hellblade 2 Revealed For Xbox Series X, Continuing Senua's Saga
Microsoft showed off Senua's Saga: Hellblade II during The Game Awards, running on the Xbox Series X.
There is no correlation between those two statements, and I would say that one, given the history of presenting demos as 'real time' has a history which encourages a degree of caution. Didn't he say 'in engine anyway'? I suspect it was offline rendered using real time assets just like the Uncharted 4 trailer. However, I would be very happy to proven wrong. Looked absolutely stunning.
The real time thing was confirmed to Gamespot alongside the XSX reveal in the article I linked.
Anthem reveal trailer was also running in engine in real time, so we will see...
This is fair, my argument here isn't that the finished game will look like that, it's that I don't believe that the trailer was pre-rendered.
Ninja Theory and MS are not Sony/ND or EA/Bioware. The fact that those other pairs either lied or had to make concessions to their vision has no bearing on how Ms/NT will handle their targets.
At least the trailer had real time artifacts which already puts it closer to being real than uncharted 4 reveal trailer.
You gotta be kidding me, "the media has gone ballistic"? You better start paying attention and taking this shit seriously.
People are NOT receptive to gaming news, obviously, and we won't have a reveal any time soon
Incoming DF Direct in 3...2...1
Id actually love a DF direct analyzing all the new info
Uncharted 4 wasn't using real time assets, as they said shader quality, lighting, texture quality, hair samples and shadow resolution were all above what is possible in real time on a ps4.
Can i just say that when it comes to who's releasing news better or who's handling their launch roadmap better, Microsoft wins this round.From it's quick mention back in E3 2018 to now MS is doing a bang up job in keeping people informed while teasing speculators like us more subtle info to dissect, analyse and discuss for a while.
Bravo Microsoft.
Bravo Microsoft.
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Thanks for the support everyone! 😃
Definitely, I'll start with Phil Spencer's avatar. It has been speculated that the Xbox Series X is going to feature a 320 bit memory interface due to a render we saw of Project Scarlett, now as highlighted in this thread, Phil Spencer's avatar on twitter features 10 memory chips which hints towards a 320 bit memory interface!
Phil Spencer (@XboxP3) | Twitter
The latest Tweets from Phil Spencer (@XboxP3). Head of Xbox | #PowerYourDreams. Redmond, WA | Gamer Tag: P3twitter.com
Look at his profile Picture
I think this is the Lockhart mobo :o
Im going to say no. I would be happily surprised if Im wrong but the virus has caused a massive disruption to many working fields.
I haven't been that happy with DF of late as an aside. Not sure what it is exactly and could just be with the whole virus thing but I just find myself not being able to sit through and enjoy their content. I almost just read comments to get the gist of things. Surely with actual next gen info they'll have more to talk about but lately I haven't seen things on their channel that grabs me. Even DF Retro has been kinda meh. I'd really love some more retrospectives and such. The Batman video was really boring to watch.
I would be surprised if it still comes out fall of this year
I am not expecting anything before June and if the consoles don't make it this year possibly August.
I don't think it is guaranteed that these consoles will be delayed to next year. It really depends whether things stabilise over the next couple of months or not. They could release closer to Xmas, and I don't think that would impact sales much, although I would expect supply to be more constrained and initial prices might rise unfortunately.
OT: I stand by that, for instance from the Guardian a couple of days back. I know a lot of people working in public health, including my brother, and have a reasonable amount of insight into the field. I also know quite a number who are unhappy with the way much of the media is dealing with the issue. My intent is not to downplay the issue by any means - I think for instance, the response taken in a number of Asian countries has probably been the most responsible one - but to draw attention to how a narrative is being built that isn't particularly helpful. Here in the UK we lurched from one new story which monopolises attention to the next. Added to this, I have a very close family member who is going through surgery this week and is very vulnerable to the virus. I have no reason to downplay it, but also no reason not to note that narrative around the virus and the actual virus itself are not the same thing. Also stuff like this highlights the double edge sword of discourses like this becoming public and updated in real time before a lot of the analysis is actually done...
For instance, below they should better aggregate their Coronavirus news stories.
OT: I stand by that, for instance from the Guardian a couple of days back. I know a lot of people working in public health, including my brother, and have a reasonable amount of insight into the field. I also know quite a number who are unhappy with the way much of the media is dealing with the issue. My intent is not to downplay the issue by any means - I think for instance, the response taken in a number of Asian countries has probably been the most responsible one - but to draw attention to how a narrative is being built that isn't particularly helpful. Here in the UK we lurched from one new story which monopolises attention to the next. Added to this, I have a very close family member who is going through surgery this week and is very vulnerable to the virus. I have no reason to downplay it, but also no reason not to note that narrative around the virus and the actual virus itself are not the same thing. Also stuff like this highlights the double edge sword of discourses like this becoming public and updated in real time before a lot of the analysis is actually done...
For instance, below they should better aggregate their Coronavirus news stories.
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I suppose the wait is just unbearable but at the same time we still waiting for a official reveal on Xbox series X, so maybe that's what PlayStation is waiting for to figure out how much cheaper they can sell it for to undercut it as it definitely helped the PS4
380 mm2? Is this using the ram for scale DukeBlueBall ? That is a good deal (5%) smaller than we thought.
Exactly, that's bang on the measures we both took at the time when people were coming up with 400-410 etc.
I think it's instructive to remember that when Gears 5 was revealed via "in-engine" cutscene at E3 2018, that cutscene ended up being rendered in real-time (as with all of the cinematics in that game), but they didn't say so at the time.
I fully expect that both that Halo Infinite trailer, as well as the Hellblade 2 trailer, are representative of in-game cinematics being rendered in real-time, but that they didn't want to declare that at the time and get pilloried for it later if forced to scale back.
I think the only game Microsoft has even been bold enough to declare "real time!" for in the last couple of years, was the Flight Sim trailer - because you probably wouldn't believe it otherwise, haha.
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