PS5 Speculation |OT12| - Aw hell, Transistor's running this again?

How hyped are you?

  • A little hyped

    Votes: 98 15.7%
  • A lot of hyped

    Votes: 50 8.0%
  • WALNUUUUUTSSSSS

    Votes: 222 35.5%
  • Hyped enough to eat this whole bag of walnuts

    Votes: 63 10.1%
  • Hyped enough to bite this moose

    Votes: 37 5.9%
  • Hyped enough to scramble a dozen eggs

    Votes: 39 6.2%
  • Hyped enough to be even more hyped, like, cyclical or something

    Votes: 116 18.6%

  • Total voters
    625
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argam

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Feb 1, 2020
9
I enjoyed the presentation. TF are important of course, but there are other things and I really like their SSD approach and 3D audio.
I will most likely buy the PS5.
 

Alienhated

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,328
Well, this is exactly what i was expecting from this presentation, so i'm not disappointed nor positively surprised.

Honestly, nothing about this console sounds exciting so far, weaker specs than its competiton and not even full Ps4 BC at launch sound like a bummer.

Waiting for games to be shown.
 

Xbox FanFest

Banned
Dec 30, 2019
305
Props to you and Colbert for sticking to your guns. I’ve always said that 36 CU’s was possible, regardless of Github or not. I’m curious whether you think a 2.23 GHZ variable clock speed was Sony’s original plan or did they get surprised by MS’s plans and decided they had to go for much higher clocks.
Yep. Colbert knew the whole time it seems. And now he's banned. Hopefully he's let back in sooner than later.

Hell, Colberts twitter poems were spot on. He's the insider we all need.
 

Evodelu

Member
Dec 19, 2019
526
I don't doubt that Cerny is a genius, but I think they may have made some wrong moves here:

- The SSD sounds amazing, but I think something more standard may have been a better play
- Variable freq for CPU and GPU means that 10.3TF is best case scenario
- Overinvested in 3d audio

I think MS did it better. I'm saddened.
 

LordBlodgett

Member
Jan 10, 2020
374
This is really weird...2.23 Ghz...that is insane.

That's literally over 500 Mhz higher than the XSX GPU. That will lead to big advantage in all those other aspects of GPU processing outside of the ALUs. This is why 10.3 vs. 12.1 is not really a good measure of performance. If I had to guess, they will perform probably essentially the same in the real world.
About 400 Mhz, 2.23 vs 1.825
 

DrDeckard

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,603
UK
He said only in rare instances would clock speed have to be dropped 10%. Are you saying that’s a lie?
so dropping by 10 percent puts us at 2000mhz...9.2tf...I'm sure he knows the hardware better than me. So i'll leave it at that. People are free to think what they want, but it's Sony that are covering themselves here not me.

I've never seen a GPU near 2.25GHz.
 

DopeyFish

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,799
I don't doubt that Cerny is a genius, but I think they may have made some wrong moves here:

- The SSD sounds amazing, but I think something more standard may have been a better play
- Variable freq for CPU and GPU means that 10.3TF is best case scenario
- Overinvested in 3d audio

I think MS did it better. I'm saddened.
the thing is... MS is doing all the 3D audio stuff too. It comes absolutely for free because of their RT accelerator and audio block.

They just weren't jumping up and down going look at this! LOOK AT IT!
 

VivekTO

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
134
If they priced it right i think than its an overall balanced machine. but i don't think that would be the case.(I expecting 499, but 399 would be great)
 

Nobunny

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
970
Matt is the real winner in all of this.

The most common assumptions made about the GitHub leaks (teraflops and frequency) really didn't tell the whole story of the final performance.

Everybody wins, the GitHub folks and the folks who wanted higher performance.
 

Ombala

Member
Oct 30, 2017
620
Dissapointed that they went narrow and fast Im afraid this will be another jet engine.
He went over raytracing fast, I suspect MS is alot stronger there too?
Went from pre-order to w8 or maybe just w8 for Pro version.
There bc problems don't fill me with confidence about the future of there console designs either.
 

Matt

The Terror that Flaps in the Night
The Fallen
Oct 24, 2017
4,149
So any idea why they went narrow and fast, given this is contrary to traditional chip design? Did BC force 36 CUs? Or did the relatively larger cost of fabbing on 7nm lead them to build a smaller chip?
Not really, no. It’s certainly an interesting choice.
 

Ateron

Member
Oct 30, 2017
29
Why did they wait this long just to tell us this? If you have an inferior product you want to get it out of the way first, preferably with some tech demos to soften the blow. They let MS go first, wow everyone and two days later they think this is a good strategy? I'm beyond pissed, so much for insiders from now on. We will hear from none, as usual.
 
Oct 27, 2017
3,590
The system was always meant to run hot.
What are your thoughts on how narrow and faster vs broad and slower will translate into performance? Is there situations where a higher clocked 36 CU GPU will outperform a 52 CU lower clocked one, especially when the disparity is in the order of 400+ Mhz? Or will that never be the case.

It just seems in this situation, the 10.3 TF vs 12.1 TF numbers aren't quite as clear cut of an indicator of performance as they have been in the past.
 

III-V

Member
Oct 25, 2017
8,051
Lol GitHub was it, it just ended up being clocked higher than tested.

Cpu
8% faster xbox

Gpu
15% faster xbox

Ssd
2.3x faster ps5

Ram
Both have 16GB GDDR6

Xbox
10GB 576
6GB 336

PS5
Still unknown(?)


BC
Xbox
Every game works on xbox from day 1

PS5
Every game will work eventually, but expect the top 100 at launch(?)
Cerny showed 16 GB GDDR6, I didn’t catch the speed.
 

Spinluck

Avenger
Oct 26, 2017
9,509
Illinois
LMAO. 9.2 tflops confirmed.

I love how they say its actually 10.3 tflops when we know it will almost never hit the 2.23 ghz clock.

Colbert DukeBlueBall DrKeo I was wrong. you guys were right. github was real. Well played.

Klee, jschreier , BGs , osiris, thanks for giving us false hope for over a year. lmao.

@Team14tflops Time to buy Xbox Series X. 12 rdna 2.0 tflops will do.
A lot of you should probably take accountability for who's word you decide to take and your reaction to things like this instead of having pathetic meltdowns like this.

When it comes to speculation, question everything.
 

UltraInstinct

Member
Nov 19, 2017
74
Already posted in the other live thread, but my view. As a Playstation fan, the specs read a little disappointing. Effectively it's weaker than the XSX in all areas except SSD speeds. I would have been happy with the rumoured 11.2 / 11.6 TF from a week back, but it's not just the GPU TF count. RAM speeds are slower, SSD storage is strangely smaller and CPU clocks too, RT was sort of glossed over and we don't know a great deal on BC.

Effectively the XSX will likely have the better gaming experience in terms of framerate and resolution etc. With the difference in power, there is most certainly going to be differences in multiplat titles which makes me feel like i need to look at investing in an XSX then.
 

Tubie

2Bee or not Tubie
Member
Feb 14, 2020
362
Now I just need the price, but I'm leaning towards getting this at launch or within a year of launch.

Really hope we get to see some of the games soon too!
 

DrKeo

Member
Mar 3, 2019
2,040
Israel
jason said they were aiming to beat stadia number. 9.2 is not even close to that. 10.3 is basically never going to happen in game.

klee said ps5 specs were higher.

BGs and osiris were 12+ tflops.
Jason said in Splitscreen a few months ago that the 10.7TF comment was a guess, not from knowledge, but I was too lazy to dig that up. And hey, he was right, PS5 wipes the floor with Stadia.

Props to you and Colbert for sticking to your guns. I’ve always said that 36 CU’s was possible, regardless of Github or not. I’m curious whether you think a 2.23 GHZ variable clock speed was Sony’s original plan or did they get surprised by MS’s plans and decided they had to go for much higher clocks.
This was my guess months ago when people said "2Ghz doesn't make any sense" and it's still what I think right now. Sony had already designed a 36 CU chip, probably because of BC limitations and a 399$ goal, but at some point Sony found out MS is going for 12TF. No one is redesigning their APU in early 2019 when the console is aiming to launch at the end of 2020, so all they could do was stepping in order to raise the clocks. And we even saw the process with Gonzalo (Ariel A0?) @1.8Ghz, Flute + Github (Oberon B0) with 2Ghz and now the final PS5 with 2.23Ghz. That's probably at least one stepping out of the extra 3 stepping Sony had from Oberon B0 to E0.
 

ppn7

Member
May 4, 2019
531
My first prediction for PS5 Pro:

CPU: 8c/16t max freq 4.0 GHz
GPU: 21.7 TF, 72CU, max freq 2300 MHz
RAM: 20-24 GB, 640 - 816 GB/s
SSD: 2 TB at 6.0 GB/s (raw)
Launch 2023 or 2024
ok see you in 2023 end of year ! Waiting for PS5 Pro, i'll still keeping my PS4 for a moment i think...
 

c0de

Member
Oct 28, 2017
5,396
LMAO. 9.2 tflops confirmed.

I love how they say its actually 10.3 tflops when we know it will almost never hit the 2.23 ghz clock.

Colbert DukeBlueBall DrKeo I was wrong. you guys were right. github was real. Well played.

Klee, jschreier , BGs , osiris, thanks for giving us false hope for over a year. lmao.

@Team14tflops Time to buy Xbox Series X. 12 rdna 2.0 tflops will do.
This is one of the rare moments on Era, thank you for that. I expect you are one of the only ones that will stand corrected in hindsight.
 

Transistor

The Walnut King
Moderator
Oct 25, 2017
14,191
Washington, D.C.
Well folks, it's been a hell of a ride. Thanks to all of you for participating in this living nightmare, and a big thanks to Mecha Meister for keeping the show running. Let's take the conversation over to the PS5 spec threads. I'll be putting new info and announce the contest winners in those threads.
 
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