Like Dalek said. Everyone has an excuse for being there except Punisher (and Deadpool). They just signed up
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That's a good question.
I've always struggled with how I feel about The Punisher. When you read Garth's run it's just so...brutal and disturbing and yes grounded in a real world situation. Yes, human slavers are in our world. Yes they almost always escape the clutches of the law and life a life of luxury built on the torture and exploitation of others. In that scenario-wouldn't you want the Punisher?
But then you realize this is a wish fulfillment scenario. The Slavers are real but the Punisher is not.
I thought it was always telling Punisher always ended up in wacky situations( angel, etc). The only true end result for him is to turn the gun on himself.
This is one of those unfortunate things where a charcter gets fucked up because a head writer or an editor had an idea, and it will take years for them to try and erase them fucking that up. for some they were lucky enough to have that built into secret wars.Yeah I'll be honest-Secret Empire was such a fucking mess and there's no way they can square up what the Punisher did. Wanda was controlled by a demon. Vision was reprogrammed. Steve was a magic duplicate. Thor.....explanation doesn't make sense.
fucking Punisher joining HYDRA? They didn't even try to make it seem like he was brainwashed-he was just like "Ok sure, lets go." In his latest Series, Frank is chasing after Zemo - to I guess "make up" for being in Hydra? It doesn't make sense.
Yeah the writer at the time felt Peter's life was too cushy. Good job, nice apartment, girlfriend, etc. And they couldn't kill Aunt May because she been on the verge of death for yearsA bit off topic, but it is included in the OP, but didn't Marvel kill of Gwen because they felt that having Peter be in a good relationship went against his character at the time? I don't know if I read that somewhere and it was made up or if I'm making it up myself and figured you would be the person to ask.
Yeah the writer at the time felt Peter's life was too cushy. Good job, nice apartment, girlfriend, etc. And they couldn't kill Aunt May because she been on the verge of death for years
That's what I thought. His answer in the OP just felt kind of weird with that in mind. As though he didn't do it with the male main character in mind.
I thought it was always telling Punisher always ended up in wacky situations( angel, etc). The only true end result for him is to turn the gun on himself.
Not surprising, the police forces in this country encourage that mindset. Many officers believe themselves 'above the law' and as such end up exploiting and abusing the populace to their own ends rather than upholding the law. Them taking on symbols of fictional vigilantes, especially ones like Punisher, encapsulates that 'above the law' mindset, specifically that they think they can wield the power of life and death over the populace without regard for the law, like Punisher does. Such a mindset is antithetical to the mission of "protect and serve" that the police should embody. "Intimidate and abuse" is a much more fitting motto for that mindset.I had two friends dress up as the Punisher for Halloween 2017 and show up at my place of employment, which is a theater.
I told them that it's not a good look, and they hand waved it away. One of them is currently months into the police academy.
Ennis would agree I'm sure. His is THE Punisher run and it's message is clear. Frank Castle is just this beast, "the tyger", who was broken (or unleased maybe) in Vietnam and is now just roaming looking for more meat and using his dead family and the idea of punishent as an excuse to go get it.
He's never presented as something to emulate or even like. Castle never really solves any problems and while he may kill monsters it usually just causes more misery down the road and other people are left to deal with it.
The reason the Ennis run of the character is so brilliant and effective is that he paints Castle as a full blown sociopath who - to some extent - uses his one-man quest for criminal eradication (a war he knows will never stop) as an excuse for doing something he clearly loves. (Killing)
He's admittedly tragic and at times even sad and sympathetic and he is capable of great heroics but he's also a monster, albeit one that punishes horrible people.
He's one of my favorite characters but the idea that any cop would utilize his icon is vulgar and distressing for a myriad of reasons, the most obvious being that the character is literally the antithesis of what a police office is supposed to be.
As they should. It's really bad management that any police officer or department is allowed to use it in the first place. That's extremely unprofessional.
Whenever I see somebody sporting the punisher skull logo either on their car or on a piece of clothing, I reflexively assume that person is an asshole
Well, fridging is basically just dumb trope-naming rather than meaningful criticism. Secondary characters are and should be at the service of your main characters and they're a mechanism for conflict and change. There's nothing sexist about fridging; the issue to me is much more about the fact that it's usually women getting fridged because the vast majority of characters are still heterosexual men. It illustrates a deficiency rather than being a problem itself. There's good and bad execution of tropes.
Stacey is a good one IMO, especially because a lot of the pathos isn't wrong out of a usual revenge plot but the realization that it was Peter's own actions that caused her death, and just having a hero actually fail so spectacularly was in and of itself novel at the time.
(Not to mention they'd already fridged Gwen's dad before then and Spider-Man's entire origin is the death of his uncle to propel his character change, so it's not like only the female characters were disposable.)
Ennis would agree I'm sure. His is THE Punisher run and it's message is clear. Frank Castle is just this beast, "the tyger", who was broken (or unleased maybe) in Vietnam and is now just roaming looking for more meat and using his dead family and the idea of punishent as an excuse to go get it.
oh, no.... I think those doing this get it just fine..... the words don't need to be spoken.yep, the punisher is a prime example of people not getting it. He is something that should be pitied and avoided
And this is why all those artists that left Marvel in the early 90s did it. Gerry should own his creation, seeing as how he knows him so intimately and have full control over it.
That's a bit too farWhenever I see somebody sporting the punisher skull logo either on their car or on a piece of clothing, I reflexively assume that person is an asshole
I was surprised by how much the show subverted the typical Punisher structure.yep, the punisher is a prime example of people not getting it. He is something that should be pitied and avoided
Yea. In the Ennis collection he talks about it a bit and really he considers the punisher this monster character that he had go into the darkest of areas and we went with him. But in no way does he consider him any sort of hero
The amount of punisher skulls I've seen combined with the blue life matter flag just makes me shake my head in disappointment.
Either you are a tone deaf motherfucker or just a shitbag.