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Quantic Dream is suing two French media outlets over articles on toxic work conditions [Kotaku]
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well in this case the creepy cunt just happens to be the head of the studio and the director of the game. i don't understand what's wrong with people boycotting the game. it happens all the time. it's understandable that people don't want to reward terrible people with their money.
Wait, you honestly think the CEO of big companies like Apple, Samsung, H&M etc arent aware of the working conditions in their factories in Asia?
They just deal better with bad rep. There's whole departments in these companies that deal with bad reputations. QD is just bad at it.
Get ready for "If the game is good, I don't care who my money rewards" responses.
I guess if somebody runs a company with unethical prcatices but they surround themselves with enough people who may or may not be contributing to such practices they should be immune to boycotts?
I don't understand how people on era don't boycott racist devs of QD.
This is like an anti MCU thread : if you don't like it, don't buy, sell don't ask Sony to break their partnership with QD.
PLUS, I he assumed that nobody likes QD games, and which is not true at all, I sales and reviews are there to prove it.
Your not making sense what is the political agenda achieved by falsely reporting QD work environments? What do they gain from doing so if they open themselves up to lawsuits. it's not like like lying about QD's poor work conditions are shift a substantial amount of paper sales to the average public. What's the big benefit here.
the idea that journalists from three reputable organizations banded together to publish fake articles about the toxic environment of a game studio, used fake and unreliable sources is beyond crazy, and to somehow relate that to their political leanings doesn't make any sense either.
what do they have to gain from making this stuff up? if any time a piece of investigative journalism like this comes out and all people have to say about it is that they would rather stick up for their beloved companies than believing the journalists, that's very discouraging and it would mean journalists won't bother going after those stories in the future.
But they are suing those who reported it, therefore they are guilty of everything since only a guilty party would try to uphold their rights through litigation.
Reporting should be done with responsibility to the truth, and it seems QD has a case for that particular story not being true, simple as that.
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France in general has several problems, like racism, homophobia and sexism.
Cage and some associates did not only use intimidation and profer very bad jokes, his right hand got laid of for "divergence of opinions" and rehired two weeks later with more than 10k and after getting a lot of public (the studio receives a lot of government funding) money as a severence check.
I am sure they have enough money to get through the lawsuit as it's the company that will get bashed/fined at the end.
You cannot be serious. Cage and Guillaume admitted to their existence.
You are also implying 3 different media outlets made around 600 fake photomontages of multiple QD employees just to run a story.
As you can see the photos are "caricatures" and were made to the higher-ups as well. Heck, at least one of those pics depicted QD boss and David Cage themselves in no pleasant way, so they are supposed victims too, according to your line of thought.
Plus, the article doesn't say who actually did MOST (key word) of the photos, and, out of the alleged 600 pics, not all of them have been recognized as part of the supposed harassment.
THERE is no proof of the authenticity of said pics because the simple fact that some of those pics were recognized as the ones exposed or sent via email, doesn't make them authentic or a trial worthy proof.
Again for the last time, this is just you and others like you believing the whisper you want to hear, and ignoring, and hating and condemning the other side without actual proofs.
And I give no shit to Le Monde's reputation, that newspaper isn't immune to error, failure or sensationalism.
some really dumb "gamers" showing their ass in their thread thinking fucking Le Monde has a "political need" to attack Quantic Dream. Just throwing "fake news" around showing their complete ignorance and overall stupidness.
Having some flashbacks of the old site in this thread jfc.
Theres also some irony that people forget how this site was brought together and then spitting on that idea with this being sorta similar
aka old site to here : I believe the victim to this case being : I dont believe the news or victims I need facts/evidence
Theres also some irony that people forget how this site was brought together and then spitting on that idea with this being sorta similar
aka old site to here : I believe the victim to this case being : I dont believe the news or victims I need facts/evidence
and to those saying they published those articles for money, yeah. god knows the general public only buys newspapers for the investigative pieces on video game studios. if those journalists cared about money god knows there's a lot more money to be made by being shills for companies and writing advertisements disguised as reviews.
But that's the problem. Is it that bad? Or is it a couple of disgruntled ex employees? Have the 200+ staff been interviewed or asked their opinion? Maybe that should be the next step from these 3 news outlets? If it is widespread and really that bad then the heads have to go
So you went from "there are no proofs" to "those proofs aren't worth shit because I can speculate".
Also, I didn't say anything about Le Monde. My point is that there are three completely different outlets (Canarde isn't even a newspaper, as far as I'm aware) and they would have to to go around collecting pictures of multiple QD employees to fake the evidence. Three completely different outlets. Doing that. At once. Just to trash QD. Sounds a little bit far fetched to me.
But thanks for clarifying that I'm just another ignorant who only listens to one side, unlike you, that knows every reporting source on the planet is a untrunstable lying pit that hates QD and us thinking that there are some truth to the reports are just piling on the bandwagon.
If you bothered to read you would know they interview a lot of both ex and current employees on the matter.
That's the problem with this argument. People are very quick to condemn QD and let's boycott their game but yet they will continue to buy products that were made in far far worse conditions. Anyone with an ounce of sense can research this but like I said most turn a blind eye because it doesn't fit the narrative or that deep down they know they couldn't buy the majority of things they have with a good clean conscience.
I don't doubt they have enough resources, if they happen to win the defendant will likely cover court costs anyways, but if you're going to put in the time and effort there must be something explicit that's putting the studio's future sales at risk. Otherwise it would simply be ignored and life would move on. Just like just about every other example of abuse in the gaming industry.
yep, all they can do is bank on poor legal practice to save their reputation. a less guilty and smarter company would know better than to go straight into a public shitfit like this.
What does a lot mean?
3? 5? 10? How many. They don't state so maybe you know better Bernardo? How many was it?
And yet you give a shit to a videogame company that has a good deal of reports against its practices and environments.
It's not only Le Monde that did the reporting after all.
Nobody in this thread has stated that any of the papers printed anything about QD for political reasons.
And Why are you saying some gamers are showing their dumb asses in their thread just because they don't agree with you or aren't already acting judge jury and executioner???
Also you'll find all newspapers are involved with political agendas one way or another just not videogames
MJ was a big celebrity and anything involving him would move papers. It's not comparable to QD at all. Unless you have any idea as to why those three outlets that aren't tabloids would want to screw with the reputation of a game studio from their own country?
And you literally lumped me with another posters as willfully ignorant of QD's side of the story because we want to side with accusers always. But ok, lol. If I'm a dude who just wants to believe accusers, you are a dude who just wants them to be liars.
Success is bait of envy.
I used Le Monde as the most important example, never said that they were the only one.
Yeah all these newspapers and current + ex-employees decided to fabricate hit pieces against a man with a history of sexism. That sure sounds more likely than a sexist being even more sexist behind closed doors.
Everyone needs to know how supportive I am of Sony companies, it's the only way I can survive on this forum. All these allegations against QD are obvious lies by biased newspapers that benefit from tearing down a video game developer for reasons too complex for you sheep to understand!
That person isn't buying the game and is telling others not to buy the game because they believe:
-David Cage to be racist, or
-David Cage to be sexist, or
-suing websites for investigative journalism is harmful to the idea of an open press, or
-the working conditions at QD are abhorrent.
You are buying the game because:
-spite.
I get it! You want to tell this person that they can't tell you what to do. But stand back for a sec and try and understand why that person feels it's so important to try and get others to go along with them.
i didn't want to say it, but yeah. i SERIOUSLY doubt most of the people defending QD in this thread would have bothered if it wasn't about a studio that only works with sony. if it was some random studio working for a third party publishers most of those people would have condemned the studio too. it almost seems there's like a cult that has to ensure the success of every sony published game or ps exclusive, no matter what that entails. i'm not trying to be a hater or a fan boy but that's seriously the only way i can explain some posts here for myslef.
Where in the hell did I wrote that all accusers have to be liars?
I'm just saying that you are not supposed to believe any side unless a true, actual proof is brought up. And as far as I can tell, I see no proof.
If QD is guilty, is up to a judge and a jury or whatever is used in the French legal system to pronounce the sentence, and not some random user on Resetera or similar (which includes me too).
QD might be found innocent for lack of proofs, and this wouldn't make them automatically morally innocent.
I wasn't there.
And I am not QD lawyer, and so please stop feeding words I never wrote.
I believe in QD innocence, as well in the innocence of anyone else, until proven otherwise.
What is reported in the newspapers isn't a proof.
If QD will be proved guilty by the French legal system, and not opinions or articles, then I will gladly support the employees that have been harassed.
I'm buying it because it looks like a game I will really enjoy playing. That's the beginning and end of it.
Yes, but you also feel the need to tell this other person -- who is trying to get others not to buy it -- that you're buying it. Clearly "I'm buying it because it looks like a game I will really enjoy playing" is not the beginning nor end of it.
Yeah and that's whatever, but it's kind of childish to respond to a post with genuine concern over sexist/terrible working conditions with "I'm buying it anyway lol". Like, you can just buy it and that's the end of it.
Let me put it this way. I dont bealieve any accusation until i see proves . I dont have time right now to read that paper. Is there any proves or some testimonies?
They are not suing for it not being true, they are alledging that the newspapers were bias and didn't give them good enough opportunity to respond - that's different then the story not being true.
Didn't people get warned for telling people not to buy Kingdom Come Deliverance? I have a feeling we will need a similar rule for this game's review and OT when it drops.
Didn't people get warned for supporting sexist and racist people?
Okay, fair enough. Unless that has contravened some specific laws then I guess it's up to a judge to decide if that was a reasonable amount of time to respond. You have to assume QD believe they have a good case if they're suing these newspapers.
We can only hope
People are inclined to side on whatever moral ground they want to not purchase the game but to shit all over the good people at QD and Sony who have worked hard is just pathetic as fuck.
