Quantic Dream is suing two French media outlets over articles on toxic work conditions [Kotaku]

Deleted member 2791 · Apr 23, 2018

resident_UA said:
You can't just throw FAKE NEWS comment in like Trump does. I never said that it's fake news. It's likely to be true. I'm just baffled by your confidence.

It's probably hard to believe if you're only used to the US press, but Le Monde and Mediapart as as trustworthy and accurate as they can possibly be. So yeah, if they both reported on those toxic conditions, with the ton of details they gave in their respective articles, I'll believe them without any doubts.

Lord Brady · Apr 23, 2018

So their stance is that all the journalists lied and the people who they used as sources lied. Good luck, Cage. You're going to need it.

Deleted member 2793 · Apr 23, 2018

Pathetic. Improve your working conditions instead of getting angry at the people exposing you.

Damn Silly · Apr 23, 2018

Man, that "judge my work" quote is gonna haunt David Cage, if it hasn't already.

resident_UA · Apr 23, 2018

enMTW said:
Literally every single thing we know about David Cage points to him being a brutal misogynist and a racist. There is no credible argument otherwise.

As I said. People seem to be so confident because it fits their narrative. You are literally proving my point. :)

FromAshesRise · Apr 23, 2018

1.21Gigawatts said:
You dont cover things up by taking them to court tho

Lmao what world are you living in?

enMTW · Apr 23, 2018

resident_UA said:
As I said. People seem to be so confident because it fits their narrative. You are literally proving my point. :)

It fits reality. It matches everything that can be observed.

Slaythe · Apr 23, 2018

enMTW said:
Literally every single thing we know about David Cage points to him being a brutal misogynist and a racist. There is no credible argument otherwise.

Excuse me ?

Alienous · Apr 23, 2018

Yukinari said:
The press surrounding Detroit is gonna be hilarious if QD loses.

Detroit will be old news by the time this is all resolved.

Thorrgal · Apr 23, 2018

John Bender said:
In an e-mail, Canard PC's Gaudé told me that the sued publications will now have to demonstrate that they handled the story with fairness and "good faith." They will have to show the judge that they reached out to all parties involved, offered those parties' perspectives, and used "the appropriate caution" while reporting this story.

Well this will be interesting!

Indeed. Let's see if they did, or if they were not thorough enough.

enMTW said:
Literally every single thing we know about David Cage points to him being a brutal misogynist and a racist. There is no credible argument otherwise.

FromAshesRise said:
It is interesting... if you hate freedom of speech and a free press!

Yeah, post like this makes me think the perss could be biased

There are rules for a reason, and the press will have to prove they acted on good faith

Mistouze · Apr 23, 2018

Lord Brady said:
So their stance is that all the journalists lied and the people who they used as sources lied. Good luck, Cage. You're going to need it.

BUT they're not suing the third publication who reported these same things along with Le Monde and Mediapart. Maybe because Canard PC is a videogames publication and they can already be intimidated just out of fear of having to cough up money for their defence.

AudioEppa · Apr 23, 2018

Interesting play, hope it works out. Demo out tomorrow and full game next month. Let's get itt!

36 Chambers · Apr 23, 2018

enMTW said:
This is the worst possible PR move, unless you are trying to appeal to Gators or something.

null said:
let's remind everyone right before our game comes out! brilliant PR that

But surely there's a lot of people who will buy the game regardless of the claims. And honestly, as unfortunate as that is, I think they vastly outnumber the people who would not buy the game because of the claims.

enMTW · Apr 23, 2018

Slaythe said:
Excuse me ?

https://kotaku.com/david-cages-quantic-dreams-accused-of-being-a-toxic-wor-1822068440

https://kotaku.com/nsfw-players-uncover-a-naked-ellen-page-in-her-new-vid-1443968188

Plus all the racist shit in his games, plus all the other reporting.

Gentlemen · Apr 23, 2018

RecRoulette said:
Detroit went gold today and a lot of sites are putting out their impressions on the game as well. That's some timing.

Cage let it slip during a 'buy our game' event in NYC. That's literally how Kotaku got confirmation about the lawsuit:

Kotaku senior reporter Cecilia D'Anastasio had a preview appointment for Detroit in New York City on Thursday. Cage would be there. When she asked him what happened after the Le Monde article came out, Sony's PR handler shut questions down, but not before Cage let one piece of information slip. "We're suing their journalists," he said.

dragonbane · Apr 23, 2018

As far as I can tell, they are only really suing them for unfair/biased reporting without taking into account their side it seems? Not that all of what they reported is necessarily wrong.

resident_UA · Apr 23, 2018

LordKano said:
It's probably hard to believe if you're only used to the US press, but Le Monde and Mediapart as as trustworthy and accurate as they can possibly be. So yeah, if they both reported on those toxic conditions, with the ton of details they gave in their respective articles, I'll believe them without any doubts.

Look, I love freedom of speech, and I don't think newspapers should be sued. So I'm not even disagreeing with you that much. I'm just confused by your confidence. As I said, I'm not questioning newspapers, but it's possible to question the source. Plus, in any scenario - do newspapers in France really NEVER get anything wrong?

Hailinel · Apr 23, 2018

CalamityPixel said:
They should make a David Cage out of all this

Press X to Lawsuit.

Deleted member 15538 · Apr 23, 2018

Good, there should be no issues if they didn't write bullshit.

resident_UA · Apr 23, 2018

enMTW said:
It fits reality. It matches everything that can be observed.

No, it fit's your narrative. You don't know David Cage.

Slaythe · Apr 23, 2018

Lord Brady said:
So their stance is that all the journalists lied and the people who they used as sources lied. Good luck, Cage. You're going to need it.

The journalists used the exact same sources.

So it's obvious that if they said the sources were being malicious, the journalists reported on stuff that wasn't correct. He's not saying the journalists lied for the sake of it. The court will investigate and settle this.

enMTW · Apr 23, 2018

resident_UA said:
No, it fit's your narrative. You don't know David Cage.

The lengths you are going through to defend this man are comical.

Deleted member 2791 · Apr 23, 2018

resident_UA said:
Look, I love freedom of speech, and I don't think newspapers should be sued. So I'm not even disagreeing with you that much. I'm just confused by your confidence. As I said, I'm not questioning newspapers, but it's possible to question the source. Plus, in any scenario - do newspapers in France really NEVER get anything wrong?

I'm talking about those two specifically. Plus, it's obviously not single-sourced, they both conducted separate investigations (and so did Canard PC, the third actor that isn't sued in this case). In that case, David Cage's argument would be that every journalist from three different media outlets and every sources involved is wrong, and only him is right.

Sedated · Apr 23, 2018

QD got confidence they are right. They wouldn't have sued otherwise. Let's see how it turns out but for people who are already anti qd saying 'Disgusting' and such well... They have complete right on trying to protect their name which was affected by the bad press they received. If it turns out qd is in the wrong then they'll dig a bigger hole for themselves but if they are right then it would turn out to be a wise move.

JeRzYzFyNeSt · Apr 23, 2018

Kouriozan said:
All this is going to do is expose even more the situation they had.

but if there was no situation in the first place and it was made up... QD sound pretty confident that this is false and i side with them

resident_UA · Apr 23, 2018

enMTW said:
The lengths you are going through to defend this man are comical.

I'm not defending anyone. He could be a serial killer as far as I know. What the F are you even talking about?

janusff · Apr 23, 2018

Not a good look QD.

Kilgore · Apr 23, 2018

Great way to start a marketing campaign!

Maxime · Apr 23, 2018

dragonbane said:
As far as I can tell, they are only really suing them for unfair/biased reporting without taking into account their side it seems? Not that all of what they reported is necessarily wrong.

All three outlets put quotes from David Cage & Guillaume de F., who they met at Quantic Dream before putting the stories out. They even interviewed current and former employees defending the company.

resident_UA · Apr 23, 2018

LordKano said:
I'm talking about those two specifically. Plus, it's obviously not single-sourced, they both conducted separate investigations (and so did Canard PC, the third actor that isn't sued in this case). In that case, David Cage's argument would be that every journalist from three different media outlets and every sources involved is wrong, and only him is right.

So let me be more specific. These three newspapers NEVER got anything wrong? Where does you blind confidence (bordering on blind faith) is coming from.

Tahnit · Apr 23, 2018

Bold strategy..cotton...yadya yadya

Mistouze · Apr 23, 2018

resident_UA said:
Look, I love freedom of speech, and I don't think newspapers should be sued. So I'm not even disagreeing with you that much. I'm just confused by your confidence. As I said, I'm not questioning newspapers, but it's possible to question the source. Plus, in any scenario - do newspapers in France really NEVER get anything wrong?

When 3 reputable publications, based on separate work, decide to publish the same story...

Deleted member 2791 · Apr 23, 2018

resident_UA said:
So let me be more specific. These three newspapers NEVER got anything wrong? Where does you blind confidence (bordering on blind faith) is coming from.

okay how many times will I have to repeat the same thing over and over, just read my previous posts now I'm not going to bother longer with you if you keep on with that

Slaythe · Apr 23, 2018

enMTW said:
https://kotaku.com/david-cages-quantic-dreams-accused-of-being-a-toxic-wor-1822068440

https://kotaku.com/nsfw-players-uncover-a-naked-ellen-page-in-her-new-vid-1443968188

Plus all the racist shit in his games, plus all the other reporting.

1) The article in question is precisely the one they are suing about

2) I don't see what that other link proves "brutal misogyny" ??? They didn't model the genitalia, they had nipples there, big whoop. In the game you were not supposed to see this, it was framed elegantly. Plus that's more on the 3D modelers than anything else.

Deleted member 15428 · Apr 23, 2018

Here we go again

resident_UA · Apr 23, 2018

LordKano said:
okay how many times will I have to repeat the same thing over and over, just read my previous posts now I'm not going to bother longer with you if you keep on with that

That was very specific question that I asked that you just dodged.

RecRoulette · Apr 23, 2018

Gentlemen said:
Cage let it slip during a 'buy our game' event in NYC. That's literally how Kotaku got confirmation about the lawsuit:

Vintage David Cage!

DrWong · Apr 23, 2018

Mistouze said:
BUT they're not suing the third publication who reported these same things along with Le Monde and Mediapart. Maybe because Canard PC is a videogames publication and they can already be intimidated just out of fear of having to cough up money for their defence.

Ah ah lol not them, amongst the worldwide videogame press if there's one that can resist pressure from pub it's them.

Guys, it's a "contre-feux", a public action to try to move the discussion from their shit to "maybe the press did something wrong too...". It is PR, it doesn't cost much because the real battle is not there.

Quakeguy · Apr 23, 2018

Remember that all of this also CAN BE planned/set up by 2-3 former employees who just want to bring QD down for various reasons. All they needed to do was to make some stuff up and send it to the media. I am not saying it is, but we outsiders really don't know anything and should not judge yet.

Let's see what happens.

enMTW · Apr 23, 2018

Slaythe said:
1) The article in question is precisely the one they are suing about

2) I don't see what that other link proves "brutal misogyny" ??? They didn't model the genitalia, they had nipples there, big whoop. In the game you were not supposed to see this, it was framed elegantly. Plus that's more on the 3D modelers than anything else.

1. Yes. The reporting remains credible, regardless of Cage's hissy fit.

2. David Cage inserted a meaningless 'shower scene' into a game. But even that is not enough for him; he had a nude model constructed to go along with it. As opposed to, you know, not rendering stuff that is not actively used by the game.

Stuff like that points to Cage being a creep, which people have been saying for years.

Zetran · Apr 23, 2018

enMTW said:
The lengths you are going through to defend this man are comical.

It seems to me you have some personal agenda against David Cage itself. And isn't this a good thing? The court would clear it all out

Germanzepp · Apr 23, 2018

QD is inocent until prove guilty. If this article is a step in the right direction to unveil the truth so be it.

resident_UA · Apr 23, 2018

Mistouze said:
When 3 reputable publications, based on separate work, decide to publish the same story...

And that's the reason why I tend to believe the story, but I still don't know the source, so I'm not a million percent confident. I think you might have missed what I was disagreeing with. :)

Deleted member 4976 · Apr 23, 2018

It's a great PR move. Sue while the games not out and by the time they lose or dismiss, the game has been released. While it's pending, you give "credence" to those who would believe QD.

Alderade · Apr 23, 2018

It's crazy how many people doubt in 3 independant media outlets.

Deleted member 2791 · Apr 23, 2018

resident_UA said:
That was very specific question that I asked that you just dodged.

You asked as to where the confidence is coming from, and I answered already. Twice. Le Monde is a 74-year old newspaper, so that should answer your other question, despite it being completely stupid.

jack_package_200 · Apr 23, 2018

Guys it's all okay.

He knows Ellen Page. Judge him by his work.

OT: I don't the lawsuit is a good idea unless they have an airtight case

Bambi Is My Dad · Apr 23, 2018

Alderade said:
I don't understand QD reaction on this.
If you have 3 media outlets who spoke about a bad working environnement in you company : you fix it !

Defamation is pretty serious if these allegations turns out to be false and false sources can happen. Quantic Dream believes the allegations are false, so they are within their right to sue them.,

Mistouze · Apr 23, 2018

DrWong said:
Ah ah lol not them, amongst the worldwide videogame press if there's one that can resist pressure from pub it's them.

They just had a crowfunding campaign to help them weather a distribution crisis for their magazine.

Guys, it's a "contre-feux", a public action to try to move the discussion from their shit to "maybe the press did something wrong too...". It is PR, it doesn't cost much because the real battle is not there.

And seeing some of the comments here, it's working.

ghostcrew · Apr 23, 2018

The whole situation is just so sad and I really don't think I could even contemplate buying Detroit at the moment. Just foul.

I choose to believe the three (very reputable) publications that all reported on the allegations. If Quantic Dream want to come out and show how their working conditions are actually good/show that they've put time and effort into improving them then fine. But no, they're just suing the journalists. I can't just bury my head in the sand with shit like this. It's so sad.

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