So QD was only given 11 days to respond to a report that had been in process for months? That doesn't seem like much time for an through investigation and response from QD.
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Quantic Dream is suing two French media outlets over articles on toxic work conditions [Kotaku]
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So QD was only given 11 days to respond to a report that had been in process for months? That doesn't seem like much time for an through investigation and response from QD.
I tend to not like racists & sexists bigots, true. I'd hope that would be the case for everyone though.
It's not that much about the video game aspect, if any big company was inaccurately accused of such claims, consequences would definitely be big.
Of course that's how do you a cover up. Just look at the many people here believing QT because "they wouldn't sue if they were in the wrong".
As someone said earlier, it's a classic contre-feux.
Sounds fair, I wonder if people will read this before start talking about David Cage.
This.
It's also possible that their lawyer has enough elements to sue for defamation.
If let's say half the report is true, the other half can be qualified as slandering and they could possibly win based on lack of evidence.
WHERE ARE THESE PEOPLE? It seems like another thing you just made up.
So this lawsuit cannot hurt QD? Like the court can't rule "actually you're guilty of all of the reported things" and throw QD's stock in the shitter?
From an american perspective it just seems very unwise to sue for something you are actually guilty of
Three independent publications, including two of the biggest and most credible in France, come to similar conclusions about issues with QD's workplace. They even post photographic evidence.
None of the claims being made are even sensational. It all has to do with inappropriate shit being said, long work hours, Cage being hard to work with, and other things along those lines.
All of this, in 90% of cases, is usually grounds for a high degree of confidence in the veracity of reports. Of course, though, that goes nowhere for some of the people here; somehow, they exist in a permanent state of "who knows what's true?" and feel the need to direct their energies toward protecting a video game company from being criticized on the basis of credible reporting.
None of the claims being made are even sensational. It all has to do with inappropriate shit being said, long work hours, Cage being hard to work with, and other things along those lines.
All of this, in 90% of cases, is usually grounds for a high degree of confidence in the veracity of reports. Of course, though, that goes nowhere for some of the people here; somehow, they exist in a permanent state of "who knows what's true?" and feel the need to direct their energies toward protecting a video game company from being criticized on the basis of credible reporting.
As if journalism isn't plenty of click baiters and liars...
QD is doing the right thing : you blame me without proofs, and then I sue you for libel /defamation.
We should stop with the attitude "the accuser is always right".
Note that this is the last time I'm answering you from now on.
MANY PEOPLE!!! LOL you guys are as ridiculous as the "many people here believing QT". I guess "people are saying"...
I don't know about it hinting at evil. Shower scenes occur in films, which are a clear inspiration for Quantic Dreams' games. And modeling an accurate model, then building a scene around it, doesn't seem ridiculous to me - having a sense of where sensitive parts should be visible in a shot so you can shoot around them. Leaving the model on the disc probably had more to do with time constraints or absentmindeness than creepiness - I don't see what reward would be worth the risk of doing that.
Mad Jack on the other hand is enough for me to have a low opinion of David Cage.
Good lord the sheer fucking stupidity in this post is something else.
Once upon a time, in a darker era, shower scenes were considered legitimate. They are rare now, and typically serve a point. Cage's did not.
Think of it that way : by suing them, they're both managing to bring them positive press with the classic contre-feux tactic, and are able to push back the trial up until after Detroit has been released, and avoid any potential damage to its release next month.
Suing a reputable newspaper over defamation, that's not wise.
If there is something they need to address, they should have contacted the authors and explain their side of the story. That's how you get a complementary or rectification piece
If there is something they need to address, they should have contacted the authors and explain their side of the story. That's how you get a complementary or rectification piece
If the reports were from these news outlets were inaccurate I'm glad QD is fighting them. Regardless of how you feel about QD and David Cage I think we can all agree we should all trust the due process
It's not, but could easily have been a mistake.
And again, it's a bit of a reach to draw a line to misogyny on the developer's part. Their games have long contained sexual themes and nudity with male and female characters.
All this will is draw more attention to it. Maybe it was bad reporting? This is not what one does to brag . They either have a case or being dumb
Yep ! Because they are not even suing them for defamation, but to see if they have handled story with fairness and good faith ? I think that's pretty telling...
At worst for QD I think they will have to pay a fee for the lawyers and the judge time. It's a move to silent the press or for the shareholders.
Without proofs ? Have you read the articles from this 3 "click baiters and liars" ?
In France if the court decide QD to be wrong, they will just have to pay for the lawyer cost of the opponents, nothing more.
There could be a problem if the opponent counter-attack, but being big newspapers i doubt they will do that.
Not if they are the truthful part of the story. I wished I had the ability and time to sue everyone who makes sh... up in my life to punish them and shut em up.
So I'm still planning to buy this game but not on day one. In fact, I'm thinking I might buy it used so that QD doesn't get a dime from me and I get to satiate my morbid curiosity about this game in a mostly guilt-free manner. I say "mostly" because the good people that do work there deserve to be paid for their work but it's just hard to justify buying a new copy knowing the kind of company my money is going to.
QD hate is real and palpable
Reading some of the statements in this thread would suggest that not all agree, unfortunately.
I see, Thank you for that sorely needed additional context. Looks like some shady maneuvering from QD.
Yes, people generally hate companies with toxic work environments.
I'm glad we've established that.
Hard to blame them for disliking a company that is violating their workers human rights.
We literally had photographic evidence of the shit the media shared and people go about believing David fucking Cage because MUH VIDYAGUMS.
I'll never be surprised by the new lows the gaming community will lower itself to support companies that give them their fix.
I'll never be surprised by the new lows the gaming community will lower itself to support companies that give them their fix.
People who are familiar with how awful men use the law and lawyers to hide their actions would not, in fact, be interested in 'trusting due process'.
That's as petty as it will be ineffective, in that I have zero doubt these publications have done their due diligence and will prove it.
Cage really is a complete moron.
Cage really is a complete moron.
In an e-mail, Canard PC's Gaudé told me that the sued publications will now have to demonstrate that they handled the story with fairness and "good faith." They will have to show the judge that they reached out to all parties involved, offered those parties' perspectives, and used "the appropriate caution" while reporting this story.
I mean going by the info posted earlier in the thread they were only given 11 days to respond to everything before it went to print. Not much they could have done to research and give a long response. Not sure why the papers didn't give them more time to investigate.
And ? I'm not sure you understand these words.
I'm getting the impression that you think this suing is their response, which isn't the case at all, their response was that they're denying everything but they brought the case to justice only later, after the story was public.
In tech it's a big problem if you are known as a terrible/stressful company to work for. It's an obstacle to obtaining top talent. If you're top talent you have alot of options, why work for a company that's known to stress employees out? You don't need that shit when you're in demand.
If the allegations aren't true, I can see why they would sue. It's really bad for their public image to be known as a shitty place to work for.
If the allegations aren't true, I can see why they would sue. It's really bad for their public image to be known as a shitty place to work for.
I'm not sure what you copy pasting that is supposed to achieve. Canard PC aired the exact same things and isn't being sued.
Sue the press in France will lead to nothing. It's a tactical move from QD to : 1/ Silent the press during the marketing push for Detroit 2/Reassure Sony and/or the company shareholders
But we still wait for a declaration to make the company a better place to work.
I can see why in those cases - it makes sense in the short term (getting votes, maintaining shares) and doesn't matter as much down the line.
With this I can't imagine it having a big impact on the copies or Detroit that are sold, but I can see it having an impact a year from now if the allegations are proven true, investigations potentially unearth more, and Sony have to decide of continuing to work with Quantico Dream is good for their PR.
I checked the scenes and in Beyond it seems like they are used as a conceit to have Aiden communicate with Jodie directly, via a steamed mirror. And I'm sure there was an intent to titilate - an intent that I'm sure Ellen Page was aware of when those scenes were recorded - but I don't think that has anything to do with evil.
Yes...
No one has ever done a useless lawsuit to serve as positive PR.
That's never happened. Ever.