It's not mentionned in any of the articles or any communication by QC.
If QC wanted to right their image they would asked for a response in their name to be published.
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Quantic Dream is suing two French media outlets over articles on toxic work conditions [Kotaku]
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If QC wanted to right their image they would asked for a response in their name to be published.
I don't know if it's true or not about the toxic work conditions,but they did well on suing them. If the journalists spoke the truth and have evidence,which they should,they will win the court and Quantic will have a negative publicity. If the journalists spread misinformation though,they will think twice about writing clickbait articles or unconfirmed/shady news stories
If claims that a person is homophobic and racist are published at face value with no solid evidence, pretty sure that entitles a defamation lawsuit.
It's really crazy how eager people are to believe what the journalists are claiming just because they don't like David Cage and his games.
I hope everyone screaming "boycot! Cancel the game!" also refuse to buy Rockstar or Naughty Dog games, then at least it would be consistent.
I hope everyone screaming "boycot! Cancel the game!" also refuse to buy Rockstar or Naughty Dog games, then at least it would be consistent.
From the last time we had this thread:
Ho ok. Fake news then, thanks for enlightening me.
Btw, journalism is about being this independent party. But yeah maybe audureau has something against qd, I mean, he had a mario avatar on Twitter at one point.
/s Obviously
I was replying to how it s not usual for people to sue as response.
QD thinks their reporting was flawed and biased so it makes sense they d sue considering it hurts their public image ?
Or read the actual article and realize you're complaining about an article that doesn't exist:
http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/articl...de-management-contestees_5241506_4408996.html
All the phrasing is very specific and what you just wrote simply isn't there.
They've had their share of scandals and criticism but it's bound to happen when your newspaper is 75 years-old
Even the most renowned newspaper is not immune to SENSATIONALISM and straight out lying.
Oh, two out of three accusations towards QD have been dismissed by a neutral Jury.
It is incredible how people tend to believe "victims" even in total absence of reliable proof and with an investigation going on and that, as for now, has found NOTHING against QD.
Please, learn to not judge by sympathy, but by facts.
I am not even a fan of David Cage and I would have bought Detroit at a high discount price regardless of this story.
i wonder who wins
a world renowned first class newspaper with immense history doing a through investigation
or a dude that thinks a proper response to accusations of homophobia is " i can't possibly be homophobic, i worked with Ellen Page!!!!!!!!!" despite the fact the she wasn't even out of the closet at the time the game was developed.
a world renowned first class newspaper with immense history doing a through investigation
or a dude that thinks a proper response to accusations of homophobia is " i can't possibly be homophobic, i worked with Ellen Page!!!!!!!!!" despite the fact the she wasn't even out of the closet at the time the game was developed.
You should learn to read because it doesn't seem you know how shit actually works.
The only fucking thing they have dismissed was that there were no breaches of contract. Literally that and nothing else.
Lmao
It doesn't matter what answer people gets, cognitive dissonance at its best.
Answer to my previous post quoting you before you try to take on a case you know absolutely nothing about and further embarass yourself.
You've already made up your mind yourself, are you that better? I won't judge anyone yet, because I don't know shit.
- it is impossible for them to make mistakes, they are a famous newspaper
- Newspapers make mistakes sometimes (show proof)
- Does not matter
I'm done, you have your agenda. Be happy
As a sport fan in easy to find some cases where Le Monde has accused without proof
https://blogs.dlapiper.com/mediaand...-pay-damages-to-real-madrid-and-fc-barcelona/
And after that they have linked more sportsman's to doping without proof of it
You don't know on what basis they were dismissed though, do you?
Prud'hommes, a Labour Court, mostly takes position on breach of labour contracts (see post #256). It is most of the time for employees vs. employers conflicts. The only known court case here is an employee asking to re-qualify their departure into a leave due to the impossibility of accomplish their work due to working conditions.
Even if the former employee didn't "win", that doesn't, in any mean, make QD clear of charges.
The fact that QD was so vague about their "wins" against former employees should make you raise an eyebrow. Maybe you should take with a grain of salt the communication from QD on the same level you're doing with major independent outlets.
I haven't read that the charges were dropped last month, do you have a source for this ?
Onus is a legal term. Publications very specifically do not have the onus to prove the truth of what they publish.
I don't think the legal system should be used to try to silence good faith negative stories.
https://www.lexpress.fr/actualite/medias/le-monde-condamne-par-la-justice-espagnole_1495008.html
Where Le Monde was condemned to 300.000euros of damages for taking a shortcut in accusing the Real of doping by association.
PS: not saying that QD didn't or did do anything here.
What I'm saying is that between the results from the French Labour Court and this suing which shows some (possibly stupid) confidence, Mayyybee nobody should jump to conclusions one way or the other.
Edit: not just Sports.
https://www.arretsurimages.net/articles/malkovich-le-monde-condamne-en-appel-pour-diffamation
They were found guilty of Libel/Slander vs John Malkovitch.
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no, absolutely nothing in regards to actual conditions on the workplace was dropped at all.
Fair enough, but Le Monde Sports is a different entity than Le Monde or even the multimedia part of Le Monde. It's true that I wasn't aware of that case though.
No they simply have to prove that theyre reporting in good faith, and that they made sufficient attempts to get the full picture before publishing an article.
Gimme a bit. Pretty sure it was posted here too but there wasnt much discussion over it.
How about we don't accuse devs of being sexual harassers or predators without evidence?
I know many on this forum hate Cage and QD but if anyone is wrong about something don't double down just because you want it to be true.
Apparently the publications are reputable, but this does not seem like an unreasonable stance. Presumably QD feel like they weren't sufficiently consulted before the stories ran.
modeling someone's naked body without their consent is definitely sexual harassment, and there, huh, plenty of evidence of it.
Again, you seem to miss the most basic point of my posts:
I am not a judge or an authority of any kind, so I'll let the qualified and competent people doing their job.
If the french legal system says that is the right way to settle things in a neutral/non-factious way/context, then it is fine with me and it should be fine with everybody else in their right mind.
Because this is how Justice works.
If you really believe that judges and courts are so easy to buy and corrupt, why don't you try to buy or corrupt one?
Let competent people (police, lawyers of BOTH parties, judges, workers unions, etc) do their job and reaching their factual, evidence based conclusion.
Until then, your personal hate, based on doubtful sources and even more doubtful "proofs", is condemning a man just by sympathy, which is straight out disgusting.
I'm also surprised by this part.
Usually if you're given more than 2 days to prepare for an article being written on you, you're one of the lucky ones.
Heck some politicians (or even CEOs) learn about a bad article on them when journalists are asking them questions about it.
This has Streissand effect written all over it; what I'm not sure is whether this is intentional on QD's part. Considering the timing with the release of the game, it would point out to yes, which in turn would mean they expect to boost sales by appealing to people who don't care about sexism and workplace abuse.
The question could also be: Why waiting more than three months after the stories hit... To be sure the verdict doesn't come out before the launch of the game?
Le Monde, Mediapart and Canard PC went to Quantic Dream HQ to speak with the management about it. They even sent the questions they were going to ask.
Is this what it's come to, shouting "Fake News" and belittling anyone who wants to wait and see what judgements are made......given two previous cases have already been ruled in QD's favour.
No one is saying there haven't been issues. There are in every workplace to greater or lesser degrees. The question is how extensive they where, how QD management dealt with them, and if the reporting was fair and balanced.
The very reason we have press complaint commissions is so they can rule on disputed cases. I wouldn't take any sides take as gospel with so many conflicting reports.
The great thing here is that there's evidence, that you can read in three different articles.
No they haven't, don't talk about what you don't understand.
There's evidence of sexual harassment?! Wouldn't than be a crime in France? I feel like you guys are trying really hard to create some narrative that isn't there.