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SweetNicole

The Old Guard
Member
Oct 24, 2017
6,542
In some uplifting April Fool's Day news...

https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/b7ubwm/rgames_is_closed_for_april_fools_find_out_why_in/

Not April Fool's.
This April Fool's, we decided to take things a little more seriously and shed some light on a growing, pervasive issue that has affected the community of r/Games and gaming communities as a whole. In recent times, it's come to our attention that what has been intended to be a forum for the potential spread of knowledge and involvement in video games has instead become a battleground of conflicting ideas. Ordinarily, this isn't an issue; discussion by its very nature is certain to bring argument, but when that argument descends into vitriolic attacks between individuals on a regular basis with no chance at deescalation, that's when, put simply, something's got to give.

Though certain memes (such as "gamers rise up") surrounding gaming are largely viewed as a humorous interpretation of a mindset, at the core of the humor is a set of very serious issues that affect all gaming enthusiasts. By showing disdain or outright rejecting minority and marginalized communities, we become more insular. In this, we lose out on the chance to not only show compassion to these people, but also the chance to grow our own community and diversify the demographics of those involved in it. Whether it's misogyny, transphobia, homophobia, racism or a host of other discriminatory practices, now is the time to stymie the flow of regressive ideas and prevent them from ever becoming the norm.

At r/Games, our community is becoming increasingly responsible for perpetuating a significant amount of these combative and derogatory schools of thought. We remove those comments, we ban the perpetrators, but the issue still persists at a fundamental level: the notion that it's okay or acceptable to ridicule and demonize traditionally disenfranchised and marginalized members in the gaming community. This is not just an issue in r/Games or on Reddit alone; this is an issue deeply embedded in the ranging depths of the internet, frequently in communities that center around the discussion of games.

What We See
Unfortunately, this inflammatory content is not an infrequent occurrence. The condescending, dismissive, vindictive and pessimistic attitudes we see in our day to day activity is troubling, especially when those interactions involve harassing or outright targeting regularly discriminated communities. It's not uncommon for us to see the real issues surrounding these communities be trivialized, derided out of ignorance, or worse, for the sake of entertainment.

To that end, we want to show you, the community, what we mean by "what we see". These are some of the more awful comments we see regarding transphobia, homophobia, islamophobia, racism, misogyny, pro-pedophilia/pro-rape, and vitriolic personal attacks against other users. These kinds of comments occur on a daily basis. We've compiled an entire album of examples of the horrible things people say on this subreddit. From bigotry to vitriol, this album merely scratches the surface of the magnitude of the problem.

In the interest of providing examples, we elected to remove the usernames from these comments; instead, our intent is to show the stark reality that we face on a daily basis in the overall effort to provide a welcoming and responsive community. Preventing the cultivation of bigotry means giving it no ground to go to, and as a whole leave only space for those who would respectfully participate. We must closely examine our own communities, in an effort to encourage acceptance and inclusion, to foster a healthy community in which we value empathy and respect.

Do Better; Be Better
Despite the strife that's both within and caused by our community, there are a multitude of opportunities to prove that we can come together and be a more wholesome, accepting community that exists on a single core idea: enjoying and discussing video games together. Though the industry as a whole has suffered a great deal of trials and tribulations, we also are fortunate enough to be at a point in time in which there seem to be a glut of fantastic games, from major AAA titles down to near-anonymous indie projects that come out of nowhere.

So let's revel in what's available to us, and also appreciate the myriad of backgrounds that we as gamers come from. Our differences in experiences comprise the diversity in the content that we consume, and by allowing ourselves to appreciate those differences, we change our perspectives and interpretations; this applies not only in games, but life as a whole.

Let's not let the good eggs go unnoticed, though: There are plenty of you who, as members of the community, want to take care of one another. Sometimes this means identifying when conversation becomes confrontation, when discussion gets out of hand and turns to name-calling, slurs or other degrading language. To you, we say thank you. You're what keep us going, you're who we want to see more of, and you're everything that is the potential for a strong, open community for those who love and enjoy video games the way we do.

It's also important to recognize the opportunities not afforded to everyone, as well as the resources available to give them a helping hand. So this April Fool's, we're also asking you to take into consideration the idea of helping these organizations out. These folks have made it their mission to represent and benefit those who still face their own challenges, obstacles and prejudices, and any assistance they can get is another step forward for their cause.

LGBT+ Charities:
The Trevor Project

Resource Center

Point Foundation

GLAD

Ali Forney Center

New Alternatives

International Lesbian and Gay Association Europe

Global Rights

POC-focused Charities:
National Civil Rights Museum

Center for Constitutional Rights

Sponsors for Educational Opportunity

Race Forward

Women's health charities:
Planned Parenthood

Reproductive Health Access Project

Centre for Reproductive Rights

Additional Causes:
Able Gamers

Paws with a Cause

Child's Play

Out of the Closet Thrift Store
 

Akronis

Prophet of Regret - Lizard Daddy
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
5,451
I'll only accept it staying closed as a solution.

/r/games, /r/gaming, /r/pcgaming, etc. are all awful subreddits
 

Lant_War

Classic Anus Game
The Fallen
Jul 14, 2018
23,576
That subreddit isn't going to take it well. They have a bunch of the anti-SJW types there
 
Nov 3, 2017
1,641
Wow! I am not a fan of that subreddit but I am really impressed that they took a stand like this. Although I bet the meta-discussion thread is going to be a mess tomorrow...
 

KillLaCam

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,386
Seoul
Beyond random but the message is good.

I thought r/gaming was supposed to be the "toxic" one though. Seemed like r/games actually talked about games more to me. Really good either way
 

Ganransu

Member
Nov 21, 2017
1,270
I thought it was going to be them making fun of "SJW", April fools and all, then I read and was like "I'm sure their frequent goers will react nicely to this."
 

thatother

Member
Dec 12, 2017
345
While we've gotten some negative responses like you'd expect, the overall reaction via modmail and Twitter so far has been very positive.
 

DrArchon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,485
I don't see this changing a lot of people's minds, but I can easily see it causing a lot of people to go somewhere else that isn't run by "Ess Jay Double-Yews."
 

LaneDS

Member
Oct 25, 2017
3,596
Always good to see. Donated to Paws with a Cause because that sounds like a sweet idea.
 
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SweetNicole

SweetNicole

The Old Guard
Member
Oct 24, 2017
6,542
While we've gotten some negative responses like you'd expect, the overall reaction via modmail and Twitter so far has been very positive.

Glad to hear the reaction has been overall positive!

Wow! I am not a fan of that subreddit but I am really impressed that they took a stand like this. Although I bet the meta-discussion thread is going to be a mess tomorrow...
Boy I'd sure hate to be one of those mods tomorrow when they have that meta thread.

I am sure they knew what they were signing up for when they did this message.
 

Oreoleo

Avenger
Oct 25, 2017
1,947
Ohio
Beyond random but the message is good.

I thought r/gaming was supposed to be the "toxic" one though. Seemed like r/games actually talked about games more to me. Really good either way
Yeah r/games is basically a news depository. R/gaming is all memes and 'gamer culture' and is the one people should be focusing their vitriol at.
 

EvilChameleon

Member
Oct 25, 2017
23,793
Ohio
Tbh, it's toxic as fuck trying to discuss anything social issue related on reddit bc those people are everywhere. I frequent r/jrpg somewhat frequently and it's full of borderline or full-out Gamergate types.

There were people on the DuckTales subreddit pissed that they made Della Duck an amputee and gave her a robotic leg because "that's all the media is talking about now". So yeah, they are indeed everywhere.
 

Glass Arrows

Member
Jan 10, 2019
1,414
I don't see this changing a lot of people's minds, but I can easily see it causing a lot of people to go somewhere else that isn't run by "Ess Jay Double-Yews."

In the short term that is all that really can be done, make it clear to those people that they are not welcome in your community, whatever it is. People have to change their minds on their own time, which usually is a long and gradual process if it happens at all.
 

chrisypoo

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,457
Christ I wish I didn't click on those linked examples of pedophilia and Islamophobia defense.....I'm fucking disgusted now. How the shit can anyone think in that way?
 

sibarraz

Prophet of Regret - One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
18,105
I could see some posters there claiming that this is gamer genocide while literally shaking
 

Deleted member 721

User-requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
10,416
almost 2M subscribers its a very big game community, must be horrible to mod that, but nice initiative
 

Wiibomb

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
4,712
I'm reading the replies from the album and I'm absolutely disgusted... I'm not on those reddits, but I wonder if heavy moderation is so difficult there, I mean, doing this they are taking stand, but it could be better if they could answer directly to all this hate.
 

funky

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
8,527
If the mods are so cool to do this, then why do they allow the subreddit to be a festering pile.

Maybe you are thinking of r/gaming?

r/games has its problems but the mod team seems to know whats up and shuts down obvious shitty discussion quick.

its still Reddit so they are essentially trying to put out a house fire by pissing on it but the team on that sub seem like they are trying.
 

Rosebud

Two Pieces
Member
Apr 16, 2018
43,558
Nice message, it's almost impossible to change people but at least they are trying.
 

NHarmonic.

▲ Legend ▲
The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
10,295
Message is great but if the main site keeps shit like r/td then it falls on deaf ears.
 

Neiteio

Member
Oct 25, 2017
24,128
Fantastic write-up. I'm not sure it will reach the people who need to hear it, but closing the forum for the day will at least force those people to sit up and take notice.

We're only on this earth for so long. Spend it being kind, and judge others only by the kindness they show. It's much more gratifying to help someone than hurt them.
 

Deleted member 4518

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,278
I like that, good on them. As someone who lurks the sub for news, I don't even bother reading the comments because of how awful people are. Unfortunately though I think they'll get a lot of backlash over this from those awful people.
 

sph3re

One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 28, 2017
8,400
While we've gotten some negative responses like you'd expect, the overall reaction via modmail and Twitter so far has been very positive.
Do you guys have a contingency plan for the day following things like these?

It's an incredible sentiment, you guys are awesome for making a statement. I'm worried that you're going to be bombarded with harassment and shitposts for the next week. Do you have all mods on deck for things like that?
 

Wulfric

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,965
If the mods are so cool to do this, then why do they allow the subreddit to be a festering pile.

Managing every thread would be a full time job. You can't find enough volunteers for that across every time zone.

The news comments are okay. Trailers are usually not that controversial.

The social issues/censorship threads can get very dicey.
 

Aquova

▲ Legend ▲
Member
Oct 27, 2017
876
Kansas
Huh, I'm surprised to see that people have negative impressions of the subreddit. I used to use /r/gaming for reddit games news, but eventually switched to /r/games as it seemed the more civil one. I haven't really seen any of the issues described there (not to say I don't think what the moderators are doing is a bad thing).
 

sibarraz

Prophet of Regret - One Winged Slayer
Avenger
Oct 27, 2017
18,105
?

It's the other place I go to for gaming related news besides this forum.

You don't have to read the comments, just the thread titles.

It feels like most of the threads in gaming are either people posting screenshots of unknown games like Ocarina of Time and halo 3, pics of a console accompanied with a sobbing story, or ea bad memes
 

KillLaCam

Prophet of Truth
Member
Oct 25, 2017
15,386
Seoul
Yeah r/games is basically a news depository. R/gaming is all memes and 'gamer culture' and is the one people should be focusing their vitriol at.
Yeah I'm wondering if people are just getting the subs mixed up. I unsubscribed from r/gaming because of how annoying it got. But I don't think I've ever seen anything bad posted in r/games