So, your opinion is that Era is to blame for someone with a physical deformity being uncomfortable that a game is treating people just like him as if they're monsters?threat of ban for having a opinion that differs from yours.... seems legit.
edit: era members need something to get mad over every day. Yesterday it was the fact that america is called america, today it's this. Video game mutants.
threat of ban for having a opinion that differs from yours.... seems legit.
edit: era members need something to get mad over every day. Yesterday it was the fact that america is called america, today it's this. Video game mutants.
We don't NEED something to get mad at, there just happen to be a lot of things to be angry about because there are countless examples of hate/harm/ignorance/bigotry/racism/etc... it's a constant, heavy stream.threat of ban for having a opinion that differs from yours.... seems legit.
edit: era members need something to get mad over every day. Yesterday it was the fact that america is called america, today it's this. Video game mutants.
whole lot of shitheads in this thread, good lord. empathise for once.
Both sides gonna fight and call each other names ... can we have a civilized discussion?
Both sides gonna fight and call each other names ... can we have a civilized discussion?
We don't NEED something to get mad at, there just happen to be a lot of things to be angry about because there are countless examples of hate/harm/ignorance/bigotry/racism/etc... it's a constant, heavy stream.
It's a GOOD thing to stand up to all of this.
Pretty much this do not make it a social issue and force devs to censor remove things. But feel what you feelI don't agree, but I won't mock the guy. I have an issue myself: dogs. Breaks my fucking heart when you have to hurt dogs in games, to the point once dropped a game when I accidentally spoiled myself about a minor scene where you had to put a dog down. Just makes me uncomfortable as all hell. I understand why devs use them though, and unless it borders on torture porn levels of pointless/tasteless I'll just avoid stuff that bothers me.
But while I don't agree with forcing devs to remove types of content that bothers certain people, I won't ever mock those people for feeling that way. I'm "one of them", after all.
This is one of my more favorite things about this thread are the same six or so people storming into topics like these, going "ERA NEEDS SOMETHING TO GET MAD AT EVERYDAY!!!!!!!!" when like, that's not the tone at all
And yet these are the same people that'll get bitchy about getting banned and probably run to the bore to whine about their bans until the timer lapses
Me? I don't give a fuck tbh but even then I'm capable of showing the slightest amount of empathy towards topics, even if I do agree or disagree.
Don't give shitheads a platform to appear credible, you shithead. "Civilized discussion" lmfao fuck outta here with this faux mediator shit, go outside. go buy a RC cola
It's amazing how it's the SAME PEOPLE crying for a civilized discussion yet they're the half-mouths that come in with memes instead of anything 'civilized' or 'stimulating' to think over
Why don't you just, like leave lmfao
Pretty much this do not make it a social issue and force devs to censor remove things. But feel what you feel
I suppose this thread could be an interesting place to discuss the beautiful=good/ugly=evil trope that perpetuates media, games included.
I can understand the point of view presented, and why it's hurtful. But at the same time, isn't the rage series set in a dystopian post apocalyptic mad max style setting? Wouldn't it make sense that there'd be people with heavy mutations, and they'd likely be oppressed, treated like outcasts and grow resentful, and/or manipulated by bad people?
Hey, some of us are just new! lolDon't know why y'all bother responding to accounts with double digit posts after over a years time on this site like they have a nuanced opinion.
I don't agree, but I won't mock the guy. I have an issue myself: dogs. Breaks my fucking heart when you have to hurt dogs in games, to the point once dropped a game when I accidentally spoiled myself about a minor scene where you had to put a dog down. Just makes me uncomfortable as all hell. I understand why devs use them though, and unless it borders on torture porn levels of pointless/tasteless I'll just avoid stuff that bothers me.
But while I don't agree with forcing devs to remove types of content that bothers certain people, I won't ever mock those people for feeling that way. I'm "one of them", after all.
I suppose this thread could be an interesting place to discuss the beautiful=good/ugly=evil trope that perpetuates media, games included.
Or I guess we could just call each other crybabies, that works too.
That said, I wonder if this topic was presented in the context of a self-written thread rather than a Polygon article (I get that people have their gripes with them), whether people would be as immediately hostile towards the very idea of discussing it. Wilfully ignoring the existence of a trope just to dunk on a publication doesn't make a whole lot of sense.
They are helping perpetuate negative stereotypes.
This is literally how it works: media presents things, people's perceptions are effected. Don't be naive.
there's a difference with feeling uncomfortable with a scene because it makes you sad/upset and being uncomfortable with a scene because it perpetuates fictional stereotypes that influence the way we perceive and treat each other
Literally no one is saying this, so I have no idea why it's even a point you consider valid.If you think people with cleft lips are murderous psychopaths based on a monstrous character from Rage 2 you are delusional. Not saying you do im saying that generally speaking.
Pretty much this do not make it a social issue and force devs to censor remove things. But feel what you feel
I couldn't agree more. It's exhausting reading about everything that offends people. Because it's literally everything.
That would be hilarious. I now want the AAA game story of the "Big dick hero" mowing down all the "micro penis" enemies in an open world.
We can call the game "Size Matters".
This is a different perspective, and different perspectives are good.
Although... isn't the usual trope in postapocalyptic fiction that the most cleanest, most normal looking people are often the villains who were wealthy enough to avoid the full impact of the disaster?
Yeah, but they accidently made the cleft version of Resident Evil 5, so I understand the point being made.The writer doesn't deserve to be mocked for his opinion. But, I think it's a stretch to suggest that fictionalized mutants in a post-apocalyptic setting were designed as a means to offend. Creature design is always nuanced and body deformities in particular are a hallmark of horror. However, that shouldn't be misconstrued as all deformities = bad/evil person.
I don't disagree with your criticism of that guys contribution, but I don't think he was calling for some galaxy brain debate circle jerk about compromise and finding a middle ground between something hateful and something...not. I don't think that's what most people saying that really want. I think he was calling for recognizing where they are coming from, deconstructing it to form your counter argument, and if they continue to hate, only then calling them out on it. Treat them human, and treat their argument in good faith before assuming they're just shitty people. Then again, I'm new here, maybe these people are just known for that and it's hopeless.Don't give shitheads a platform to appear credible, you shithead. "Civilized discussion" lmfao fuck outta here with this faux mediator shit, go outside. go buy a RC cola
It's obviously not a 1:1 reflection.The mutations are so extremely exaggerated I find it hard to see it reflecting the real world
Outside of maaaybe the Resident Evil movies, I'd say the opposite is true. In Mad Max-style stuff (desert apocalypse?) and a lot of zombie fiction, the most unkempt, disfigured, or just wild-looking individuals are the "baddies".This is a different perspective, and different perspectives are good.
Although... isn't the usual trope in postapocalyptic fiction that the most cleanest, most normal looking people are often the villains who were wealthy enough to avoid the full impact of the disaster?
I don't disagree with your criticism of that guys contribution, but I don't think he was calling for some galaxy brain debate circle jerk about compromise and finding a middle ground between something hateful and something...not. […] Then again, I'm new here, maybe these people are just known for that and it's hopeless.
there's a difference with feeling uncomfortable with a scene because it makes you sad/upset and being uncomfortable with a scene because it perpetuates fictional stereotypes that influence the way we perceive and treat each other
Yeah, but they accidently made the cleft version of Resident Evil 5, so I understand the point being made.
If we want ever games to be taken seriously as art then we also have the burden of examining what message that art is conveying. This is actually one of the better Polygon articles.
This is absolutely a concern, but I don't think it's grounds for throwing the whole effort out the window. It's an individual effort, and part of the process is determining that. One thing I can say is that it sucks to be on the "wrong side" of an argument and be dismissed preemptively because someone has already full painted a picture of you (incorrectly). I'm sure everybody can relate to that to some capacity.Ya I think at this point "civilized debate" is kind of a dog-whistle, which sucks because yeah ideally we could do that, but at the same time who gets to decide what is "civilized?" Historically deciding that some topics are out of bounds has been one of the best tools for perpetuating injustice, so a lot of people clamoring for "civilized debate" are unfortunately often dog-whistling for "don't let your poor baby feelings get hurt and let's debate with FACTS and LOGIC"
Agreed. Something doesn't have be intentional to be offensive to someone.
Well said.I wonder what the mental image of people arguing this is
"Hahaha I'm Walt Disney and I'm super racist, everyone who's not white is really gonna be offended by this latest one, their pain is my pleasure"
The whole point of "implicit bias" and structural inequality is that prejudices are often not fully consciously articulated. If we couldn't call out things that aren't fully explicit or intentional we couldn't get anywhere.
But that's not what it does. Demonization only really gets that far in more extreme scenarios, like propaganda campaigns. This kind of relatively low-hum, undetected demonization is the kind of stuff that imbeds stigmas we don't detect. Like being less likely to approach someone in your workplace with a physical disability/condition for help on something because of an imbedded notion of discomfort with their condition. You don't necessarily consciously notice it, or put malice behind it, but it flares up when you're making quick decisions or instinctual judgements. Part of a healthy lifestyle is probing why you decided to do one thing vs. the other, but we make so many decisions in a day that it sometimes takes someone bringing it up for you to recognize you might be following a distasteful stigma. If appearance based discrimination isn't part of your day-to-day, it might be harder for you to recognize when you're participating in it.If you think people with cleft lips are murderous psychopaths based on a monstrous character from Rage 2 you are delusional. Not saying you do im saying that generally speaking.
It's really fucking disappointing coming from this forum. It's the sort of shit I expect to see on Reddit, not Resetera, which makes me wonder why I'm on Resetera in the first place.
The mutations are so extremely exaggerated I find it hard to see it reflecting the real world
question, does these cleft enemies are characters that are the baddies?
or just copy-pasted mob enemies?