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RAGE 2 will skip Steam, launching on Bethesda Launcher, pre-orders are LIVE for all platforms
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You hear something frequently enough from enough directions it starts to sound true. Proof by assertion.
Yeah but I'd assume you know how poorly setup that launcher is right? It would be different, but you can't refund properly on their end, you can't install and uninstall some games (76) without it breaking everything. It's not secure as I'm pretty sure there's no 2FA, you can't add your own games.
Origin has some of these things mainly being much more stable, it has 2FA, and you can add your own games. The UI doesn't suck, like there's a lot more pros to Origin then Bethesda's Launcher.
Bethesda tarnished the ever loving hell out of their brand being like this so it really only is their fault to blame for the backlash.
Even that one thing is a net positive though? Just because the alternatives suck doesn't mean they can't be done better.
I'm not sure I follow.
But to clarify. I wasn't talking about stuff as in in-game content or some stupid digital artbook. I was talking about store features, better prices, some kind of reward program for buying from their store, etc.
Origin Access and Premier?
uPlay's ability to turn reward points/achievements into 20% discounts on their store?
GOG allowing you to get a DRM copy of a game if you own the game on another platform (Steam)?
Battle.net with built-in party system (before Steam updated friends) and Facebook streaming?
Just because these other launchers don't have 1:1 feature parity with Steam doesn't mean that they don't offer some interesting features or perks. I don't lose a step when I have to use Origin to play Battlefield or Battle.net to play Destiny.
I love how Origin still runs like complete dumpster. In fact it seems to get worse over time.
Why don't people want "competition" again?
I didn't know launcher wars in the PC space were as bad as console wars.
It honestly looks more unhealthy than some console manufacturer allegiances.
Sorry dude, Steam not getting a fancy new UI every couple years doesn't mean it's stagnant.
Sure if the end goal is just to make Steam better then it served some use. But considering how we still can't play EA games on Steam 7+ years later was all of those games worth 1 improved feature? If you're someone who uses Origin wouldn't you be pissed at how little has been added to the client after all this time?
No reason to change much. it's a solid product with a ton of amazing functionality. Feels like product built by people who are not afraid for their job security so they don't try to redesign shit every 6 months just for the sake of it.
Everything is tidy and organized, not a fucking chaos of pretty banners of different sizes barely put together.
Thats factually incorrect.
Since 2012 we got:
-Refund system
-Streaming system
-Steam Controller-
-Customizable controller
-New Chat
-Big Picture Mode
-Steam Trading Cards
-Steam Music
-Steam Workshop
-Publisher/Dev Pages
-18+ Content allowed
-Linux/Proton
-Far more regional prices
-VR Plattform
-VR Hardware
-New Shop design
Yeah, that sucks. Im sure they will sort that out quick though. I think even PSN was hacked wasnt it?
Yeah, it's good for everyone when you cant refund broken games or when your ticket supports leaks your info.
Thank god for competition, it's so saddening some people wants to have basic functionnalities in their launcher.
Looks like my physical edition preorder for PC at GameStop is cancelled then. Shame. It looks really good.
I don't even think that was Origin's doing. In 2014 Valve got sued in Australia for the lack of a refund policy and then introduced such a policy a year later (before they were finally found guilty in 2016).
Competition would mean selling it on Steam and their store, and letting me choose which to buy.
Yep. How's UPlay's in-home streaming feature coming along? Where's Battle.net's Big Picture Mode? It's a joke. We should be critical of Valve for letting their UI languish while they work on other projects (among other things), but none of these other launchers are improving the PC gaming experience at all.
Yeah, this. Origin was at some point working better than Steam, but current version is just shit and sometimes takes tens of seconds to just open game page.
And have made adding shortcut to steam hard, which prevents use of Steam Controller.
Yay for Origin Monopoly.
I never said the launcher IS I said CAN BE and SHOULD BE, because at the end of the day Bethesda should know what is better for their own games, not Valve.
I currently hate the launcher, it sucks in a lot of things, but it is not like I am screaming for them to put it on Steam or bust. I'd truly rather see them improve on that.
Ignoring some controversy Bethesda as a company has made some great games and has a big enough library that I think this could work if they put in the effort and be really successful.
Right now even if I have a huge library on Steam I am using Discord for chat. I am already using a better app for communication, so Steam is not the superior application for every aspect of PC gaming. It is not even an extra click because these app are set to run when I start my PC. It is just a different button.
I cannot see how Bethesda improving on their own applications is bad for all. The multiple applications excuse/reasoning is not that big of an issue.
Read the whole thing, not just a word and get triggered.
Bethesda wasnt even hacked. Their shitty launcher did it by itself
I'd add the changes to the review system have been huge. It is totally awesome to be able to define where review bombing is taking place, jump in to find out why, block that if I want, understand if there are regional issues causing changes to reviews, see how reaction to a game has changed over time. I love it. No platform captures this. A fun example I was discussing just the other day - Stellaris:
Wouldn't have an issue with this if the Bethesda Launcher was even remotely competent, and, well, didn't leak personal data to anybody with the ability to make a support ticket.
Same with the Epic shit, they bring some cool releases, I have no problem reinstalling their launcher. Gamer's are their fucking loyalty/purity tests are lame as fuck.
Same with the Epic shit, they bring some cool releases, I have no problem reinstalling their launcher. Gamer's are their fucking loyalty/purity tests are lame as fuck.
Steam has operated in the last 6 years without a visual refresh basically because it hasn't HAD to have a visual refresh. It's a very well compartmentalized design. Valve can create new features on a regular basis without upsetting the apple cart.
Around the same time you got your PC, Steam launched Big Picture Mode, the Steam Market and Steam Greenlight,. In 2013, it created a Linux client and brought in the Family Sharing feature. Have you tried Family Sharing? You should. It's a phenomenal feature the value of which cannot be overstated.
in 2014 Steam brought in In home streaming and their discovery queue system. They launched broadcast streaming, steam os, steam boxes, and steam machines in 2015. In 2016 they launched SteamVR and revamped their discovery system. 2017 did away with Greenlight and brought us Steam Direct. We recently had a refresh of the friends system. Valve has also recently developed Proton and released a card game.
Steam continues to innovate, even when you don't notice. Steam has been anything but stagnant.
If EA or Activision want to put real engineering resources into making a PC gaming portal that can compete with the Playstation/Xbox/Steam feature-set, *that* would be welcome competition. Just making another app with another account, which is only useful for downloading games from one publisher doesn't help and makes PC gaming worse overall.
Maybe a consortium of publishers need to work on this problem collectively, but I don't see them making any moves in this direction.
Maybe a consortium of publishers need to work on this problem collectively, but I don't see them making any moves in this direction.
You seem to think Bethesda has its own launcher to somehow benefit its games, whether in performance or functionality (you don't elaborate), as opposed to the reality where its launcher is just a way to avoid giving Steam a 30% (or now even smaller) cut.
Battle.net still doesn't have international friends list/chat in the client lmao
GOG allowing you to get copies of your Steam games is more of a Steam feature than a GOG one, too.
I'd rather see them put stuff on steam and improve their launcher, This exclusive shit on each launcher is annoying and stupid.
Competition isn't good if the competition is literally too fucking incompetent of providing software that actually works.
You'd think a fucking developer of all people would understand such a basic concept.
I'm curious mister Dice... Are you able to explain to me how a publisher keeping their games exclusive to their own launcher - that isn't cheaper than Steam, doesn't sell 3rd party games and lacks the majority of Steams features - is good for everyone?
Go ahead, I'm listening.
PC is an open platform people. Some of us want games on whatever launcher we choose. I don't want to be beholden to one specific launcher (in this case an enormous POS) and be beholden to that launcher's regional pricing, DRM, and cloud save options. It's about choices. Exclusivity removes that choice.
It's not about Steam. It's about removal of choice. It's ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst to just say "oh people just want this on Steam, boo hoo".
It's not about Steam. It's about removal of choice. It's ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst to just say "oh people just want this on Steam, boo hoo".
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