That's what I like about you. It's always comparison with the worst:
"Don't be complaining ! On other system they have an online paywall"
"Be grateful ! On Switch there's not even a party chat !"
"It could be worse ! Think of PS4 where you need to pay to change your username".
I'm not comparing with the worse stuff existing. I'm comparing as a customer as what I'm used to. And a shop is paying exclusives to convince me to use their services instead of those I use already. So yeah, I'll be comparing it to what I'm using in 2019.
"It is the right call to focus on stuff like search functionality"You really should stay away from misinformation. I've never made any of those statements, ever. If anything, you've been the one making comparisons of this sort. But I digress.
The point is not to show that the EGS should ape a console experience. The point is that for a storefront launch focused on the essentials, the shopping cart isn't a deal-breaker, and its the right call to focus on stuff like search functionality.
You have a clear timeline for delivery of the shopping cart.
The realist in me expects that a new store will not match Steam for features at launch. What matters is their forward looking plans to close the gap.
For me, its simple; I lived through the shit Era of PC gaming during the 7th gen, when DRM, GFWL and delayed/no release was the order of the day for the PC market. The EGS reminded me of being forced to use GFWL and I'll never forget how THAT ended, badly with many, many broken games.
I have no problem with another storefront and even launcher. I have uplay, origin, GOG galaxy and Steam as launchers installed right now. Its the third party exclusivity and PR trying to convince me its raining while we all know its something else....
You really should stay away from misinformation. I've never made any of those statements, ever. If anything, you've been the one making comparisons of this sort. But I digress.
The point is not to show that the EGS should ape a console experience. The point is that for a storefront launch focused on the essentials, the shopping cart isn't a deal-breaker, and its the right call to focus on stuff like search functionality.
You have a clear timeline for delivery of the shopping cart.
The realist in me expects that a new store will not match Steam for features at launch. What matters is their forward looking plans to close the gap.
I'm iffy on Randy being a good businessman but it is true that all the best businessmen do scummy things. The fact is that when it comes to capitalism, ruthlessness is the best attribute for money making.
If it wasn't randy then it would be some other dev explaining this, but seeing how people like to take the righteous stand for the consumers while ignoring Valve's own mistakes in their store is laughable. Steam is not perfect and it never was, so having a form of competition to that can only lead to good things in the long term.I dislike EGS and Pitchford, not even trying to deny that, it's nothing personal, I believe Randy is anti-consumer and has a track record of lying to consumers and I believe Tim and EGS are the same.
It's nothing to do with them as individuals, I respect they have to look out for their own businesses but I side with consumers, not greedy people who don't care about consumers.
^This.
What will he say in a year from now when the Steam version of BL3 has outsold the Epic Store version?
Nah, I got you don't worry. And we're supposed to think this good businessman knows his shit when he's telling us "it's good for you". Despite his scammer history.
Issue is that EGS is not really competing with Steam, the only thing that would make Steam compete with EGS as it is would be to pay more for the games to be exclusive to Steam, as that is the only "new" thing EGS is bringing to the board.If it wasn't randy then it would be some other dev explaining this, but seeing how people like to take the righteous stand for the consumers while ignoring Valve's own mistakes in their store is laughable. Steam is not perfect and it never was, so having a form of competition to that can only lead to good things in the long term.
The contempt for the egs is mostly about Epic's way of securing exclusives and not having features ready yet, one of those things won't be a problem in the near future(features) since Epic are investing a lot in that store. so we are left with exclusives, a practice that is used in all forms of entrainment from music, movies and tv shows, but when a company like Epic does it they are somehow "anti-consumer", that's just how capitalism works for better or worse.
Randy has been an asshole way before the EGS thing. You linking the hate to him to just the EGS thing is kinda blind.Did you similarly scrutiniz Bill Gates or any of his successors anytime Microsoft had a product to sell? Steve Jobs with any Apple product?
Like, this is literally what being a business person is all about. I don't even like Randy but your hatred of anyone and anything that gets into bed with EGS makes you not only irrational but predictable.
Whatever it was, I can't access it. It's been blocked by Google.
Well that makes sense. It's true that we don't know whether Epic will continue their store or not should they fail to penetrate the market
Did you similarly scrutiniz Bill Gates or any of his successors anytime Microsoft had a product to sell? Steve Jobs with any Apple product?
Like, this is literally what being a business person is all about. I don't even like Randy but your hatred of anyone and anything that gets into bed with EGS makes you not only irrational but predictable.
If it wasn't randy then it would be some other dev explaining this, but seeing how people like to take the righteous stand for the consumers while ignoring Valve's own mistakes in their store is laughable. Steam is not perfect and it never was, so having a form of competition to that can only lead to good things in the long term.
The contempt for the egs is mostly about Epic's way of securing exclusives and not having features ready yet, one of those things won't be a problem in the near future(features) since Epic are investing a lot of money in that store. so we are left with exclusives, a practice that is used in all forms of entrainment from music, movies and tv shows, but when a company like Epic does it they are somehow "anti-consumer", that's just how capitalism works for better or worse.
we had a thread weeks ago that was simply just "should randy pitchford distance himself from borderlands 3?"Did you similarly scrutiniz Bill Gates or any of his successors anytime Microsoft had a product to sell? Steve Jobs with any Apple product?
Like, this is literally what being a business person is all about. I don't even like Randy but your hatred of anyone and anything that gets into bed with EGS makes you not only irrational but predictable.
I don't mind people getting "into bed with EGS" as you say. I don't hold any grudge with people doing it for legitimate reasons and being upfront about it. As far as I know, neither Bill Gates or Steve Jobs are trying to sell me on something that is worse than products made 10 years ago today.
Whatever it was, I can't access it. It's been blocked by Google.
Well that makes sense. It's true that we don't know whether Epic will continue their store or not should they fail to penetrate the market
Epic's the grand savior that's going to dispel this apparent Steam monopoly by forcefully creating one themselves.
Randy has been an asshole way before the EGS thing. You linking the hate to him to just the EGS thing is kinda blind.
We've been mocking Randy every since he stole money from Sega and sold a faulty product that was marketed with fake material.Like, this is literally what being a business person is all about. I don't even like Randy but your hatred of anyone and anything that gets into bed with EGS makes you not only irrational but predictable.
Apparently this pdf i made to answer such questions is against googles TOS, HUH?
onward toward revolution, comradeValve is a private company and, to the best that we can see, a huge amount of the value that Valve has generated has been used to enrich the handful of people who own and manage the company.
So trickle down economics in full effect?epic gives devs and publishers a much bigger cut. That leads to more budget for games. I have no loyalty to steam so I'll do what's in the best interest of me. The gaming industry is kind of a shit show in regards to employment and job stability. If this bigger cut helps that? I'm all for it.
Sorry this might seem weird, but what exactly is the issue with the Epic Game Store?
As far as I am concerned it's just another Launcher, so it's not really a problem.
Is it about the lack of features?
Geniuly asking, I don't get the exact problem.
You don't need to have the exact same supply to compete, if they both offer big games that's enough to consider it a competitor, they are fighting over market share. You know why Valve didn't buy exclusives in the past? because they never had to, steam had free reign aka a monopoly.Issue is that EGS is not really competing with Steam, the only thing that would make Steam compete with EGS as it is would be to pay more for the games to be exclusive to Steam, as that is the only "new" thing EGS is bringing to the board.
And it is kinda funny you say people are ignoring Valve mistakes when most people here posted about "what can make Steam better" thread not that long ago.
Randy has been an asshole way before the EGS thing. You linking the hate to him to just the EGS thing is kinda blind.
You are supporting the game devs not epic, it's a store after all, you buy the game and play it that's the basics of what a store should do, the other things are gravy only to be added on top of your game experience.So to make things better in the long run people should support and inferior platform in any metrics available, who's only strategy is to reduce customers' options regarding how they buy their games while raising prices?
What do you think the message will send to over company with more money than Epic/Tencent looming over the gaming industry?
I misunderstood that part then. It read like he was going to say one is private and one is public, but I thought he backed away from that at the last moment to say they're both private but different. My badThere are fundamental differences between a private business and a publicly traded company. This isn't a hard concept to grasp.
That said what he suggest those differences will mean in the long run are either myopic or disingenuous.
I just want to add to this, Same price (or lower) if you are in certain countries and use certain payment options. Otherwise you have to pay more.
You're noone to tell me what standards i have on the store i play videogames, they aren't gravy, they are the bare minimum essentials, like not having to have 7 hacking emails going on on my account or not playing a game with no cloud saves in 2019.You don't need to have the exact same supply to compete, if they both offer big games that's enough to consider it a competitor, they are fighting over market share. You know why Valve didn't buy exclusives in the past? because they never had to, steam had free reign aka a monopoly.
You are supporting the game devs not epic, it's a store after all, you buy the game and play it that's the basics of what a store should do, the other things are gravy only to be added on top of your game experience.
Yet you want a future where EGS is the only option.I loathe Randy as a developer and human being in general. I think he is a slimy lying asshole but also I agree with him here. EGS is good for the PC landscape on the whole. I very much want a future where Steam isnt the only option.
If it wasn't randy then it would be some other dev explaining this, but seeing how people like to take the righteous stand for the consumers while ignoring Valve's own mistakes in their store is laughable. Steam is not perfect and it never was, so having a form of competition to that can only lead to good things in the long term.
The contempt for the egs is mostly about Epic's way of securing exclusives and not having features ready yet, one of those things won't be a problem in the near future(features) since Epic are investing a lot of money in that store. so we are left with exclusives, a practice that is used in all forms of entrainment from music, movies and tv shows, but when a company like Epic does it they are somehow "anti-consumer", that's just how capitalism works for better or worse.
epic gives devs and publishers a much bigger cut. That leads to more budget for games. I have no loyalty to steam so I'll do what's in the best interest of me. The gaming industry is kind of a shit show in regards to employment and job stability. If this bigger cut helps that? I'm all for it.