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Randy Pitchford explains his support for EGS. (See Staff Post)
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If only Sekrio was EGS exclusive. It would have probably saved all those 800 jobs that the billion dollar, tax dodging company, Activision had to fire.
Tim should get on the phone with Bobby, and strike a deal with their next pc title!
Activision would finally get some funding and it will all trickle down to the devs of course, and they would make more games. Brilliant! Why not done?
Tim should get on the phone with Bobby, and strike a deal with their next pc title!
Activision would finally get some funding and it will all trickle down to the devs of course, and they would make more games. Brilliant! Why not done?
I'll support myself first, so paying more with nothing in returns is a complete non starter for me.
someone pouring a lot of money into this sector is only a good thing imo. once they reach parity with steam feature wise then devs and consumers will have another store to go to. more leverage basically.
anyway, I am not going to post anymore in these threads since the Mods give you warnings if you say you agree with epic.
Read these tweets back when they happened. Not a fan of Pitchford's for more reasons than I can count any more, but this seemed like an open response explaining a legitimate business decision. And throughout the year (maybe more depending on how long Epic decides they can continue this model while being sustainable) you're going to see similar responses from folks in similar positions.
And in reading through the four pages here of the same repeating posts with the same users that show up in every Epic thread, if you'd look at the tweets Randy agrees with a good amount of your concerns in things Epic needs to create in the near future.
And in reading through the four pages here of the same repeating posts with the same users that show up in every Epic thread, if you'd look at the tweets Randy agrees with a good amount of your concerns in things Epic needs to create in the near future.
Trickle down economics lives and thrives with Epic Game Store. If only the people at the top got more money, all the problems in the industry will go away! I trust the rich people telling me what's in the best interest for everyone if only they had more money. Remember this has always worked in the past. Record profits has improved the industry always.
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Hah, no, mods give you a warning when you intentionally tell everyone you are going to drive by, then you go ahead and drive by...
Try to hide it better next time 😅
I personally went from Borderlands 3 no question, day one, PC, to PS4 on day one. I'm not buying Metro on console, so I guess I'm waiting a year for it on Steam.
So you would book a hotel room from a new high-class chain that has no plumbing and electricity but they promise to include this sometimes later
you would go to a new Cinema without any chairs but they promise to include them later
You would buy a car from a new competitor that has technology from the 20th century but they promise to tech up sometimes later
PC Gaming wasn't in such a state that it needed saving from Epic, lol.
Shut up Randy, you wanted the money. That's all there is to say regarding this mess.
Thankfully it's only 6 months, instead of a year. I can wait a while.
Shut up Randy, you wanted the money. That's all there is to say regarding this mess.
Thankfully it's only 6 months, instead of a year. I can wait a while.
This looks like a giant waste of time to read jusging by the little I read, especially the fact he's promoting what someone else is saying that has an exclusive deal with him. Propaganda at its finest. I'm not going to use EGS at this point just based on that they keep putting their foot in their mouth. Keep your mouth shut, is it that hard? The more you have to justify your existence the more pathetic you look and the less I want to support you.
Just release a good quality service and let it do the talking. That's all you had to do.
Just release a good quality service and let it do the talking. That's all you had to do.
Epic doesn't seem like the type of company to throw money at opening a digital storefront in the sort of altruistic manner Pitchford describes. I doubt Epic would be satisfied not being top dog in the eventual competitive market their advocating for.
In some ways Pitchford's comment sounds like Epic just wants to make sure Steam is taken down a peg instead of creating competition within the marketplace.
At the end of the day a competitive market just means who is going to offer me the cheapest price or best value for my patronage.
In some ways Pitchford's comment sounds like Epic just wants to make sure Steam is taken down a peg instead of creating competition within the marketplace.
At the end of the day a competitive market just means who is going to offer me the cheapest price or best value for my patronage.
I mean... you were trolling with what you said... and what if you want to answer what's good about it EGS for the PC market and why I would like to see your opinion.
I need to understand what makes it so.
It's pretty simple, for PC gaming I mainly use Steam, Uplay and GoG, but also other stores, like Origins. I order my games from these storefronts but also quite often from Key sellers, like GreenManGaming or humble bundle.
When I buy a game I will shop around and my choice will mostly depend on which is the cheapest or which offers the best features. On features, Steam is king by a HUGE margin, as I, for example, regularly use Big Picture, Steam link app, and the control mapping function.
My problem is that Epic: 1-Has a shitty store clearly lacking a lot of features I am expecting to see in 2019; 2- Is paying for exclusive left and right, trying to force me to go thru their store, making gaming more expensive for me in the process; 3- Is preaching to me that I should be thankful because I apparently can't see that they are saving PC gaming, when PC is doing very, VERY good in our age.
Remove the exclusivity part and I would have welcome Epic Store with open arms. Keep in mind that a lot of the game they are locking to their store are games I was looking forward to, so that makes me really bitter about their business practices. They clearly studied what was trending on e.g. Steam (remember Steamspy?) and used that has one of the main criteria for what they sign as an exclusive. It's just shitty, short-sighted business practices that I don't want to support. Another example of infuriating communication is their GDC event, where they were announcing exclusives like it was an event, a good thing, when I see no added value for me, just more games being removed from the other stores.
Imagine wanting competition for Valve so bad that you okay with anticonsumer practices from said competition
Please explain to me why we should defend a "legitimate business decision" that is some of the most selfish so-called strategy this platform has ever seen?
What you are saying is that there are more people in this industry that are ready to try and pull something destructive for the PC and its market. That isn't really news for anyone who has seen the impact of gen6, 7, GFLW and their likes on PC. What I fail to understand is what anyone stands to gain from EGS's particular tactics.
Seriously, who gains from this except a majority of publishers and a few lucky indies? Where is the virtue of EGS for the platform, for the devs, for the players? I only see enormous dangers and already so much damage done to many devs, studios and their communities - and by their own hand in accepting the moneyhats - from the situation Epic has willingly created.
Not to go all conspiracy but I have to wonder if someone reported it.
And gog is barley making any profit and they laid off a bunch of people, why? because they weren't competitive.
Valve does gives you a choice, you either activate it on steam or you don't get to play it.
Epic are already solving steam's biggest problem of curation and they are only a couple of months on the market, if they will continue to add more features by the end of the year then I don't see the problem. The games are not exclusive forever so how can you even say that it will "eventually lead to a monopoly" when people here don't even want to use it? Kind of a paradox.
They are not "taking" or "forcing" devs to do anything, it was their choice.
Honeymoon period with Steam in those days. GFWL was really that bad. EGS is better than GFWL, as it stands.
Lol this guy is getting hit so hard on this that when someone says "I can't support you anymore. Sorry, sir." He blocks them. This is the bed they made, they can lay in it.
What the hell is this supposed to mean? I'm guessing he means later on and not on September 13th. Could also be a Switch tease I guess.
Oh. Great that chinese gamers cant play those games at release then! Really for the consumers!!
Also Valve gives you far more choices. Saying you can buy it in like 30 different stores to "just activate it on Steam" is still a bigger choice than "Activate it on EGS or get it nowhere else".
Same curation that already denied entry for a indie dev? Pretty sure there's gonna be more and more stories indie devs not getting into Epic Game Store soon.
Also, screw Randy and his idiotic ramblings that try to paint Epic as some kind of saviour against the horrible Steam.
You are technically correct, the best kind of correct :p.
tbf that was eons ago
Yeah, but what's right hasn't changed since then.
Yeah, it solved the curation problem by making it so that most indies wont be able to sell on EGS. The best kind of solution.
It is like people forget the whole path Steam took with curation from 2010 to 2017.
Edit: I also hate how we can make an excuse of it being "only 3 months old" and that it will improve with time. Yes, I expect it to improve with time, but what does it say that an online shop decided to launch in a state where there is not even a search function? Where the only function it has is linking you to individual pages of product (no tags, nothing)? It says that they dont really care about me, the customer.
Why do we have to give a pass to EGS for launching in a worse state than Discord (which launched some months before), or Origin (the last true challenger to Steam)?
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Thanks for re-upping. It's a great FAQ that I've linked many times, thanks for putting it together as well.
It's back up if you want to read through it!
Give them time! EGL is still only 3 years old! It needs time to catch up to steam!
Their super duper special cut for the devs ain't gonna sure as shit not gonna get to the average employee since they're mostly courting big publishers and rockstar, already established indie developers.
Epic sure is looking for the average developer and the good of the industry... LOL
http:///yHrd.jpgFuck Randy for being so slimy and the despicable grifter he is.
Dude is straight up Hot Topic mall trash.
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Chinese gamers can barely play anything these days and I'm not here to solve their gaming problems, so unless you live in china why even bring this up?
Also Epic generates keys too.
And luckily they still have steam for that, like how competition should work.
How are they solving the curation problem? They are going to run into the same problem steam has. There are thousands and thousands of games being made everyday and you will have two choices. Either deny them entry onto your store front and that brings up issues of why was it denied and what is your process of accepted or denying games and who is making that decision. Or Let them on which brings up the problem of potentially letting games on that are just bad games that probably shouldn't be on your storefront (talking mostly about asset flips games).
all of this is pretty reasonable
i will trust a developer to have better insight on these things than random people
the comparison between exclusive egs games and half-life 2 back in the day is not incorrect. that said, borderlands 3 will not be that game. all the EGS exclusives taken together may add up to a half-life 2 effect but randy has delusions of grandeur if he thinks that borderlands 3 will be remembered as the game that changed the market
Thanks a lot guys, I have no further questions, I'm fully up to date on the issue thanks to you :)
40 Percent of Slay the Spire sales on Steam were from China. That's a big market and it's growing every day.
And yes, iirc Charimanchuck does live in China for parts of the year. But good to see the "Screw you, got mine" mentality again.
They literally had fewer problems before EGS came about. Don't be so dismissive.
The fact remains, none of this is good for consumers.
Locking 3rd party games behind single stores is not competition or good for the customer. You do care about your own rights as a consumer yeah? Freedom of choice? And before you say it no console exclusives for 3rd party games suck.
I noticed EGS has keys on GMG but no discount applied that I saw at least for my region.
Wow, just wow. What a wonderful attitude.
"Who gives a fuck about Chinese gamers?!"
Of course they can. They can play everything that is on Steam, WeGame and uPlay as well as GoG.
And yes. Your "fuck you got mine" mentality is horrible. I lived in China for several years and I am living in China 4 months out of 12 each year. 40% of Slay the Spire sales came from China. It is literally the 3rd biggest Steam market and Epic chooses to ignore it and not even just let the store be available there, but actively locking chinese IPs from accessing it.
Jesus I wish people like Randy would just take Epic's money and shut up. You would think it was hard to come away from this kind of moneyhatting looking worse than if you'd just said nothing, but whenever they start going on about "competition" and making predictions about the future the cringe factor just goes through the roof for me
If I'm going to do some armchair analysis myself I'd say Randy is overestimating how big a splash Borderlands 3 is going to make. It's not exactly Half-Life 2. I was more interested in Anno or Metro Exodus - which (by the way) is now €20 for a physical PS4 copy.
If I'm going to do some armchair analysis myself I'd say Randy is overestimating how big a splash Borderlands 3 is going to make. It's not exactly Half-Life 2. I was more interested in Anno or Metro Exodus - which (by the way) is now €20 for a physical PS4 copy.
Well second party games are usually co developed with the studio yeah? Most of the time said games wouldn't exist. Like I think it sucks that PC and Xbox gamers will never get to play Spiderman PS4 but i can not be mad as Sony invested in its creation.
This is a 3rd party game that has always been money hatted to not be on the store that helped make borderlands the success it is for no reason other than money changing hands to stop it.
The fact it's only 6 months is because 2k knows for a fact the major audience is on steam and they get free money for doing mostly nothing.
