Yall really tripping about EGS, it's not a big deal, talk about making a mountain out of a molehill.
Randy is going to have to resolve those small contradictions for me.
Fragmentation, service, pricing, open platform, he used to sound sensible or at least know where the wind was blowing.
You are supporting the game devs not epic, it's a store after all, you buy the game and play it that's the basics of what a store should do, the other things are gravy only to be added on top of your game experience.
I am sincerely not trying to argue when I ask this, I am being genuine when I ask, why do you believe this is good for the PC gaming market?
What is EGS doing for the PC gaming market that steam and GOG and other companies aren't that is truly benefitting the consumer?
someone pouring a lot of money into this sector is only a good thing imo. once they reach parity with steam feature wise then devs and consumers will have another store to go to. more leverage basically.We're not going to lynch you lol. At least I'm not, I'm genuinely curious why you think it will help the PC gaming market! I'm certainly willing to have my mind changed but from my point of view I can only see this hurting it, especially when it comes to things like 3rd party storefronts whom a lot of the world rely on to afford their gaming hobby. So far the only thing EGS has done is stifle competition, whilst this may change in the long term I'm not a huge fan of their brand of burning the short term down for possible long term gains.
Randy is going to have to resolve those small contradictions for me.
Fragmentation, service, pricing, open platform, he used to sound sensible or at least know where the wind was blowing.
Hah, no, mods give you a warning when you intentionally tell everyone you are going to drive by, then you go ahead and drive by...anyway, I am not going to post anymore in these threads since the Mods give you warnings if you say you agree with epic.
someone pouring a lot of money into this sector is only a good thing imo. once they reach parity with steam feature wise then devs and consumers will have another store to go to. more leverage basically.
anyway, I am not going to post anymore in these threads since the Mods give you warnings if you say you agree with epic.
No, I read it in Crazy Earl voice.Anyone else read this all in Marcus's voice? If so you are totally BADASS!
lol well then, I can see why no one every pops in and says they like the epic games store for the pc market. you get a warning. thanks mods lol.
also I don't have a history of posting much in these threads, so thanks for lying. I have only posted in these threads a handful of times.
Sorry this might seem weird, but what exactly is the issue with the Epic Game Store?
As far as I am concerned it's just another Launcher, so it's not really a problem.
Is it about the lack of features?
Geniuly asking, I don't get the exact problem.
Read these tweets back when they happened. Not a fan of Pitchford's for more reasons than I can count any more, but this seemed like an open response explaining a legitimate business decision. And throughout the year (maybe more depending on how long Epic decides they can continue this model while being sustainable) you're going to see similar responses from folks in similar positions.
And in reading through the four pages here of the same repeating posts with the same users that show up in every Epic thread, if you'd look at the tweets Randy agrees with a good amount of your concerns in things Epic needs to create in the near future.
Apparently this pdf i made to answer such questions is against googles TOS, HUH?
And gog is barley making any profit and they laid off a bunch of people, why? because they weren't competitive.I am not against competition, as a matter of fact if I had it my way GOG would be the market leader as they are the most pro-consumer store front on PC and the only one to give true ownership to consumers.
I also never said steam was perfect but they certainly aren't anti-consumer, they give users choice and they have made huge changes over the years that have directly benefited the consumer, they most certainly aren't a monopoly.
Epic on the other hand are doing hardly anything valuable for consumers, they are limiting choice, charging more money and giving less features and trying to select games that fit their store based on what they perceive to be quality (which is subjective) and will only harm the indie space.
What Epic are doing IS anti-consumer and will eventually lead to a monopoly (the very thing people accuse steam of) if they continue with their current stance.
These exclusives are not games they have made themselves, they have actively taken games from other services with monetary force and are limiting the choice of consumers as to where to buy these products, yeah, it's capitalism but just because it's capitalism doesn't mean it has to be anti-consumer.
Randy is going to have to resolve those small contradictions for me.
Fragmentation, service, pricing, open platform, he used to sound sensible or at least know where the wind was blowing.
Randy is going to have to resolve those small contradictions for me.
Fragmentation, service, pricing, open platform, he used to sound sensible or at least know where the wind was blowing.
What the hell is this supposed to mean? I'm guessing he means later on and not on September 13th. Could also be a Switch tease I guess.But millions and millions of people are going to be playing Borderlands 3 with us on September 13 and it's going to be a lot of fun for all of us who are going to be playing - whether we're on our Xbox's or our Playstations or we're playing on our PC's or, maybe, other platforms.
And gog is barley making any profit and they laid off a bunch of people, why? because they weren't competitive.
Valve does gives you a choice, you either activate it on steam or you don't get to play it.
Epic are already solving steam's biggest problem of curation and they are only a couple of months on the market, if they will continue to add more features by the end of the year then I don't see the problem. The games are not exclusive forever so how can you even say that it will "eventually lead to a monopoly" when people here don't even want to use it? Kind of a paradox.
They are not "taking" or "forcing" devs to do anything, it was their choice.
Not to go all conspiracy but I have to wonder if someone reported it.
Same curation that already denied entry for a indie dev? Pretty sure there's gonna be more and more stories indie devs not getting into Epic Game Store soon.Epic are already solving steam's biggest problem of curation and they are only a couple of months on the market, if they will continue to add more features by the end of the year then I don't see the problem.
Honeymoon period with Steam in those days. GFWL was really that bad. EGS is better than GFWL, as it stands.
Yeah, it solved the curation problem by making it so that most indies wont be able to sell on EGS. The best kind of solution.And gog is barley making any profit and they laid off a bunch of people, why? because they weren't competitive.
Valve does gives you a choice, you either activate it on steam or you don't get to play it.
Epic are already solving steam's biggest problem of curation and they are only a couple of months on the market, if they will continue to add more features by the end of the year then I don't see the problem. The games are not exclusive forever so how can you even say that it will "eventually lead to a monopoly" when people here don't even want to use it? Kind of a paradox.
They are not "taking" or "forcing" devs to do anything, it was their choice.
Thanks for re-upping. It's a great FAQ that I've linked many times, thanks for putting it together as well.
Sorry this might seem weird, but what exactly is the issue with the Epic Game Store?
As far as I am concerned it's just another Launcher, so it's not really a problem.
Is it about the lack of features?
Geniuly asking, I don't get the exact problem.
Give them time! EGL is still only 3 years old! It needs time to catch up to steam!Yeah, it solved the curation problem by making it so that most indies wont be able to sell on EGS. The best kind of solution.
It is like people forget the whole path Steam took with curation from 2010 to 2017.
epic gives devs and publishers a much bigger cut. That leads to more budget for games. I have no loyalty to steam so I'll do what's in the best interest of me. The gaming industry is kind of a shit show in regards to employment and job stability. If this bigger cut helps that? I'm all for it.
http:///yHrd.jpgFuck Randy for being so slimy and the despicable grifter he is.
Dude is straight up Hot Topic mall trash.
Chinese gamers can barely play anything these days and I'm not here to solve their gaming problems, so unless you live in china why even bring this up?Oh. Great that chinese gamers cant play those games at release then! Really for the consumers!!
Also Valve gives you far more choices. Saying you can buy it in like 30 different stores to "just activate it on Steam" is still a bigger choice than "Activate it on EGS or get it nowhere else".
And luckily they still have steam for that, like how competition should work.Yeah, it solved the curation problem by making it so that most indies wont be able to sell on EGS. The best kind of solution.
It is like people forget the whole path Steam took with curation from 2010 to 2017.
And gog is barley making any profit and they laid off a bunch of people, why? because they weren't competitive.
Valve does gives you a choice, you either activate it on steam or you don't get to play it.
Epic are already solving steam's biggest problem of curation and they are only a couple of months on the market, if they will continue to add more features by the end of the year then I don't see the problem. The games are not exclusive forever so how can you even say that it will "eventually lead to a monopoly" when people here don't even want to use it? Kind of a paradox.
They are not "taking" or "forcing" devs to do anything, it was their choice.
all of this is pretty reasonableTLDR :
- Steam is a monopoly (Randy said this.)
- EGS and Tim Sweeney are here to save us from the evil empire known as Valve because they truly care about consumers. (Paraphrased but essentially what is being said.)
- It's all for the good of consumers and if they can't see that they aren't looking long term. (Paraphrased but Randy said both of these things.)
- Competition (Was said numerous times.)
the comparison between exclusive egs games and half-life 2 back in the day is not incorrect. that said, borderlands 3 will not be that game. all the EGS exclusives taken together may add up to a half-life 2 effect but randy has delusions of grandeur if he thinks that borderlands 3 will be remembered as the game that changed the market- Take two and Randy Pitchford are going to be remembered in the history books as the saviour of PC gaming and Borderlands 3 will be the EGS equivalent of Half Life 2 because they have more "balls" than other companies. (Paraphrased but Randy said this.)
It's a new launcher with barebones functionnalities, subpar account security (i'm not talking about the spyware rumors : Epic accounts seem rather easy to hack), offering the same prices than everywhere (and even higher for a bunch of countries), buying exclusivities left and right ultimately removing choice for the consumer and rendering us unable to find cheaper ways to buy said games.
In short.
Steam might be seen as a monopoly, yes. But you can find your Steam keys from various outlets for much cheaper (wich won't give any money to Steam) while still being able to use all the functionnalities baked in Valve's launcher.
Yet, somehow, forcing players on EGS is supposed to be good for us.
It's pretty simple, for PC gaming I mainly use Steam, Uplay and GoG, but also other stores, like Origins. I order my games from these storefronts but also quite often from Key sellers, like GreenManGaming or humble bundle.
When I buy a game I will shop around and my choice will mostly depend on which is the cheapest or which offers the best features. On features, Steam is king by a HUGE margin, as I, for example, regularly use Big Picture, Steam link app, and the control mapping function.
My problem is that Epic: 1-Has a shitty store clearly lacking a lot of features I am expecting to see in 2019; 2- Is paying for exclusive left and right, trying to force me to go thru their store, making gaming more expensive for me in the process; 3- Is preaching to me that I should be thankful because I apparently can't see that they are saving PC gaming, when PC is doing very, VERY good in our age.
Remove the exclusivity part and I would have welcome Epic Store with open arms. Keep in mind that a lot of the game they are locking to their store are games I was looking forward to, so that makes me really bitter about their business practices. They clearly studied what was trending on e.g. Steam (remember Steamspy?) and used that has one of the main criteria for what they sign as an exclusive. It's just shitty, short-sighted business practices that I don't want to support. Another example of infuriating communication is their GDC event, where they were announcing exclusives like it was an event, a good thing, when I see no added value for me, just more games being removed from the other stores.
Thanks for re-upping. It's a great FAQ that I've linked many times, thanks for putting it together as well.
It's back up if you want to read through it!
40 Percent of Slay the Spire sales on Steam were from China. That's a big market and it's growing every day.Chinese gamers can barely play anything these days and I'm not here to solve their gaming problems, so unless you live in china why even bring this up?
They literally had fewer problems before EGS came about. Don't be so dismissive.Chinese gamers can barely play anything these days and I'm not here to solve their gaming problems, so unless you live in china why even bring this up?
Chinese gamers can barely play anything these days and I'm not here to solve their gaming problems, so unless you live in china why even bring this up?
Also Epic generates keys too.
And luckily they still have steam for that, like how competition should work.
Chinese gamers can barely play anything these days and I'm not here to solve their gaming problems, so unless you live in china why even bring this up?
Chinese gamers can barely play anything these days and I'm not here to solve their gaming problems, so unless you live in china why even bring this up?
Also Epic generates keys too.
How is bl3 being a timed epic exclusive any different than 2nd party exclusives on consoles? Is it just because this is new for the pc gaming world?