I don't think it's complex enough. A couple dances in the game might rise to that level though.
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Rapper 2 Milly plans to sue Epic Games over use of his dance Milly Rock in Fortnite
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This isn't some sort of gotcha. It's not worth suing a random person who downloads a song illegally. It is worth suing another company using a song you own in their nationwide commercial. The reach, scope, and money made off of the infringement are all extremely relevant in legal terms.
Yep. I'm sure a host of new cases will be filed, if things go in his favour.
I question it being that easy but I guess there's nothing wrong with asking.
Again I doubt it'd be that easy though. I also just worry about giving copyright more power.
Jojo's Bizarre Adventure went years with nothing coming to the west because he just named characters after western songs. I guess the idea that just going "hey it's that thing from that thing" could join that makes me nervous.
Though again if the artist want credit I'm fine with that.
Here's a cool example of a video seen by nearly 35 million people that strips away all ownership of the dance creators. They just become "the fortnite dances."
Absolutely shameful and 100% on Epic.
Umm yes? Someone came up with the choreography same way someone comes up with a beat or lyrics to a song. You have to seek permission or at least credit where you are getting it from rather than just stealing it and renaming it while making millions from selling it. These dance choreography become synonymous to a song that it originated from, and they get ingrained into the culture.
Lol If this was the "Floss" kid suing about the dance in Fortnite, I'd imagine we'd be getting some different posts in here. Some of y'all aren't slick at all saying he's just looking for attention or wouldn't be doing it if the game wasn't making money. Blatant.
It's one thing to put his moves in the game, but to then sell it and profit off of it? That's too far imo.
Yea, it's blatant monetization of a unique intellectual property--one that took considerable luck, talent, and popularity to blow up. And the extent to which these companies are pawning off these emotes without credit or compensation is frankly disgusting.
Hope he wins and the flood gates open for everyone to go back and claim some coin back from developers who farmed out their talent/popularity to fill their own pockets.
Hope he wins and the flood gates open for everyone to go back and claim some coin back from developers who farmed out their talent/popularity to fill their own pockets.
He won't win, and he shouldn't. I could see Epic trying to settle if the public outrage gets intense enough. It is shady on their part, but copyright goes too far too often.
Oh man, I laughed way too hard at this.
Oh man, I laughed way too hard at this.
So? Why would it matter if it was about money? Doesn't change what they did and this argument of 'if the game wasn't popular they wouldn't care!' is tired as fuck.
So if they credit them, and not pay them, but make money off of it, the artist is going to be satisfied? Of couse not. It also validates the artist's claim of ownership and strengthens their case for compensation. No company is going to put themselves in that situation.
In a saner world people would stop asking the same question over and over.
Is it complex enough to be unequivocally recognized as the same dance? Is it complex enough that there's no reasonable doubt they just happened to come up with the exact same dance steps on their own? If the answer is yes to both, I don't see why a different, higher standard of complexity must be satisfied on top of that, and you would not require it of any other kind of work.
That's fair I guess. I just worry about the implications of simple body movements become copyrightable.
I mean Epic took someone's idea and started charging $5 for it.
I don't know how anyone can side with epic on this.
He should though.
I don't see why this instance of using something a third party created to make money without that individual being compensated or even acknowledged should be ok.
Y'all are envious mofos. Let the man sue for what he considers his. Let the court decide what's right.
Era capitalists are weird af. Who cares if he can or cannot "copyright" dance moves. We know what Epic is doing, so pretending you don't just make you fanboys.
Era capitalists are weird af. Who cares if he can or cannot "copyright" dance moves. We know what Epic is doing, so pretending you don't just make you fanboys.
No way in hell they're going to do that and serve the original dancers the lawsuit on a silver platter. They know full well what they're doing, renames included.
Good. Lets see what the copyright laws state and put this to bed. I see where he is coming from, but who knows how its going to work in court.
Nah, I feel like most people against it just feel like it's absurd that someone could copyright a body movement. I mean, for every body movement there was someone who was the first person to do it, are you saying that all other uses of it should result in compensation to that person? What makes a simple dance like this one, which is basically swaying back and forth and waving your arms, any different from a somersault or cartwheel or fist pump? Why should this be copyrighted but not the waltz or tango?
Cool to see cultural appropriation doesn't "count" when it's video games people like.
Which is to say this is blatant and sucks, and I hope he wins. I hate seeing this continually happen to artists.
Which is to say this is blatant and sucks, and I hope he wins. I hate seeing this continually happen to artists.
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I'm with Milly here. It's one thing to just include dances in your game but Epic has straight up packaged the creations of other people, stripped away their origins, slapped a price tag on them and sold them as their own product. I'd be fine with the the game's usage if the dances acknowledged their origins and were free.
100 fucking percent if they can prove it. Everyone has the right to attempt suing the shit out of a big corporation. Don't ever deny someone that right.
Fuck Epic for giving zero credit. They know if they give credit then they'll have to pay.
And don't you pretend you don't know the origin of these dance moves, this aint the 15th century folk moves lol.
I think the question is over the level of complexity involved. Songs can be copyrighted and protected, but notes can't be. By the same token, you may wish to protect entire choreographies, but not the movements themselves that make up that choreography.
This could set a precedent for choreography copyright, if he were to win. But he didn't copyright the dance so that's a point against him.
I mean the final outcome by the judge & jury.
Not sure why being sued at all is bad. Every big volume company in the world, even the best ones, get randomly sued all the time.
The complexity and length of the dance matters because the law directly says those aspects matter. It's based on how the law is written.
No it literally is that easy. If you get permission from the copyright holder you can then use the copyrighted material freely.
Why would they credit the dances to a single person? The only thing I see that achieving is they opening themselves up for a big sue when they refuse to pay the guy they credited.
How long are the Fortnite dance emotes? My (brief, cursory) understanding is that you can copyright a "choreography" (an entire dance) but not "dance moves" in the same way you can copyright books but not words.
I was saying it's the LEAST they could do, but I do think they should pay them, too. Why not? It's their creation.
Right. But this is about the fact that Epic gives zero credit.
This ain't about copyright. This is about charging for something and not giving credit. I doubt 2 Milly wants to copyright dance moves.