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At Harvard orientation for freshman lawmakers, skeptical Democrats confront lobbyists and CEOs

The talk was not billed as being about politics. "A Discussion with Business Leaders," hosted on Harvard's campus earlier this week for freshman lawmakers elected in 2018, featured the CEOs of General Motors, Johnson & Johnson and Boeing.

But Rep.-elect Rashida Tlaib (D-Mich.), one of the incoming lawmakers, said she was taken aback when, in a meeting after the talk, GM chief executive Mary Barra suggested laid off GM workers who live in the Detroit area could still seek employment at a plant in Flint, Mich., more than an hour's drive away.

"I was very much trying to actively listen and understand why the decision was made, but I pushed back when the discussion was, 'Well, they're going to have options to work in Flint,'" Tlaib said in an interview. "I pushed back and said, 'You make it sound like it's so easy,' and she said, 'It's better than not having no job at all.'"

Tlaib's disagreement with Barra came amid wider criticism from several incoming House Democratic lawmakers of the Harvard Kennedy School's Institute of Politics Bipartisan Orientation Program, a traditionally uncontroversial affair that has hosted more than 700 members of Congress since 1972. (Tlaib's account was confirmed by Rep.-elect Andy Levin, another Michigan Democrat, who was at the meeting. A spokesman for GM confirmed Barra told incoming lawmakers that laid off employees could apply to the Flint plant.)

Harvard's Gearan told reporters that the point of the orientation was not "to push any agenda," adding that the program was responsive to feedback from incoming lawmakers. The orientation schedule was crafted with input from both Democratic and Republican House leadership, Gearan said. New lawmakers were encouraged but not required to attend.

"Our interest is creating a space for Republicans and Democrats, as I think you heard the members-elect say, to really have that convening so that they can build the bonds of friendship in this discourse," Gearan said. "This is a university. Any good university reviews its curriculum, reviews its coursework, and thinks the ways we might want to go forward."

The event listed as collaborators the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank; the Center for Strategic and International Studies, another think tank; and the Congressional Institute, which often sponsors retreats for lawmakers.

The Harvard event met controversy almost from the outset. On Tuesday, several freshman Democrats joined Rep.-elect Ayanna Pressley (D-Mass.) for a health-care rally instead of attending a talk by President Trump's Transportation Secretary, Elaine Chao, according to HuffPost.

"I was not sent to Washington to play nice," Pressley told single-payer health-care activists at the rally, HuffPost reported.




 

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The more I hear about these girls, the more and more I like them. Keep it up!

That being said. It's disgusting that lobbyists have to be absolutely everywhere
 
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Alexandria has been a true gift to us. Hopefully her passion makes more politicians speak up without reservation more
 

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Indeed. I hope the machine doesn't chew them up.
Seems like it's already underway. I've seen people who I think would describe themselves as liberal call Ocasio-Cortez stupid and the right wing machine already seems obsssed with her and talking about Clinton and Pelosi less and less in comparison.
 

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This is incredibly enlightening to find out. Like I'm not surprised whatsoever but it feels so fucking blatant that I'm surprised it hasn't been brought up before.
 

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Seems like it's already underway. I've seen people who I think would describe themselves as liberal call Ocasio-Cortez stupid and the right wing machine already seems obsssed with her and talking about Clinton and Pelosi less and less in comparison.
The right wing stuff is expected, but the liberal hate is disheartening.
 

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Bernie now has allies on captial hill that arent smeared as crazy loons by a big portion of centrist neoliberals who want to protect the status quo. Things can only get better with Our Revolution/PCCC/Justice Dem/Dem Socialist folks in congress calling this shit out and airing the dirty laundry for all to see.

While Cortez has her centrist haters, it feels way smaller than the group that hate on Bern, and i think its cause they cant use the identity politics game on her. She's smart, she's capable, she's an astute young woman of color who has plenty of time to grow and get even better at this job, and the more hollow attacks can bounce off of her and people like Rashida talib(although she still will get the antisemite accusation thrown around)
 

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I'm curious now. Really pleased to see the new blood is making waves about this kind of thing, but has it never been mentioned before? Like, have past new, Democrat law-makers been to similar events, also attended by lobbyists and just... not said anything about it? Or is the FIRST time that lobbyists have attended the event and Democrats have noticed it and are calling it out?
 
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Seems like it's already underway. I've seen people who I think would describe themselves as liberal call Ocasio-Cortez stupid and the right wing machine already seems obsssed with her and talking about Clinton and Pelosi less and less in comparison.
Yeah, they're trying to co-opt her message and twist it into something they prefer more. Fortunately, those same people out themselves when they turn on her at every small mistake she makes.
 
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I'm curious now. Really pleased to see the new blood is making waves about this kind of thing, but has it never been mentioned before? Like, have past new, Democrat law-makers been to similar events, also attended by lobbyists and just... not said anything about it? Or is the FIRST time that lobbyists have attended the event and Democrats have noticed it and are calling it out?
Apparently, it's been going on since the 70s. It's probably been mentioned, but probably buried deep into some newspaper. With someone like AOC and Tlaib being online a lot, talking directly to people, this can come out and see the light of day.

 

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Apparently, it's been going on since the 70s. It's probably been mentioned, but probably buried deep into some newspaper. With someone like AOC and Tlaib being online a lot, talking directly to people, this can come out and see the light of day.


Can't wait for the equivocation of this
 

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I'm curious now. Really pleased to see the new blood is making waves about this kind of thing, but has it never been mentioned before? Like, have past new, Democrat law-makers been to similar events, also attended by lobbyists and just... not said anything about it? Or is the FIRST time that lobbyists have attended the event and Democrats have noticed it and are calling it out?

I mean, we've had plenty of mainstream politicans say that congress is largely dominated by lobbyists and big money, and money in politics is the root cause of corruption in the US goverment in both parties. The issue of course being that people were not paying attention. Now with people like Ocasio cortez blaring it out, its getting to the point where these things cant just be brushed off as conspiracies or not taken seriously. Its sad it took this long but i'm glad its happening.
 

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Good. We need to shine a light on corporate lobying at every level.
 

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Wow, so basically confirmed. Orcasio-Cortez is the new Republican Bogeyman. Fox has their new target to shift over to if "Butheremailslockerhup" ever somehow loses relevancy.

To be fair, I doubt Hillary will EVER lose relevancy for the Republicans, but maybe AOC can actually get a supporting-cast role in the Hate/Fear Campaign.
 

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Cortez beating Crowley was the shot heard around the world. If i recall Saikat Chakrabarti, the guy who was originally Bernie's campaign manager and helped Cenk and Kyle launch JD has been her chief of staff for a while now.....he must be coaching her pretty well.
 
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Cortez beating Crowley was the shot heard around the world.
Her election and he unashamed rhetoric has been great. There might be some concern about her being the right's new boogeyman, but while mostly everyone else would shy away from the right's accusations, AOC turns it back on them. The right are legitimately afraid of AOC, Tlaib, Omar, and Pressley which is amazing.
 
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I was never in Rashida's district. But I did appreciate the stuff she was pushing for/passed in the MI house.

She also already has a stable built of at least two former aides in the MI state senate & Detroit city council.
 

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Her election and he unashamed rhetoric has been great. There might be some concern about her being the right's new boogeyman, but while mostly everyone else would shy away from the right's accusations, AOC turns it back on them. The right are legitimately afraid of AOC, Tlaib, Omar, and Pressley which is amazing.

i know what the right will do, they are very predictable, and are easily shut down with a concerted effort. what gets me angry is when the centrists join in with the right's rhetoric just cause they have made it into a proxy battle out of many for control of the dem party. People like Neera tanden have been quick to attack progressives
 

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Wow, so basically confirmed. Orcasio-Cortez is the new Republican Bogeyman. Fox has their new target to shift over to if "Butheremailslockerhup" ever somehow loses relevancy.

To be fair, I doubt Hillary will EVER lose relevancy for the Republicans, but maybe AOC can actually get a supporting-cast role in the Hate/Fear Campaign.
Honestly good for her, she's legit scaring the shit out of these fuckers.
 

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The right wing stuff is expected, but the liberal hate is disheartening.

I criticized her for not having staff fact-check her tweets after the gaffe on pentagon spending.

She is enemy #1 of republicans and she needs to not give them any ammo if she can help it. They'll still find ways to demonize her, of course, but let's not make it easy for them to taint her in the eyes of the "bothsides" centrists/independents.

I sure as hell don't hate her. I want her to be president in 6-10 years and she's probably my favorite politician because of her earnestness and moral fiber.

Just...systematically fact-check your tweets, Cortez. That's a teeny thing, Innit? That's literally my only criticism of her so far.
 
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Cortez beating Crowley was the shot heard around the world. If i recall Saikat Chakrabarti, the guy who was originally Bernie's campaign manager and helped Cenk and Kyle launch JD has been her chief of staff for a while now.....he must be coaching her pretty well.

We can give her her own credit for what she has accomplished, don't need to stretch to give it to someone else.
 
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what gets me angry is when the centrists join in with the right's rhetoric just cause they have made it into a proxy battle out of many for control of the dem party. People like Neera tanden have been quick to attack progressives
They make me angry as well. Donut twitter is full of those kinds of people who end up using the exact kind of rhetoric the right uses when it comes to certain policies.
 

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I criticized her for not having staff fact-check her tweets after the gaffe on pentagon spending.

She is enemy #1 of republicans and she needs to not give them any ammo if she can help it. They'll still find ways to demonize her, of course, but let's not make it easy for them to taint her in the eyes of the "bothsides" centrists/independents.

I sure as hell don't hate her. I want her to be president in 6-10 years and she's probably my favorite politician because of her earnestness and moral fiber.

Just...systematically fact-check your tweets, Cortez. That's a teeny thing, Innit? That's literally my only criticism of her so far.
Same, aside from wanting her to be president (we'll see, and it mostly concerns foreign policy chops and how she actually views the Executive branch).

But she's the best when she's just laying out facts rather than trying to explain a nuanced situation in a tweet. I do, however, appreciate her reporter-like manner in exposing hypocrisies and blatant institutional biases.
 

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Joe Heck is actually a pretty good choice to have in front of newly elected folks. He has experience as an elected at both the state and federal level. He serves in the military. He's a reputable doctor as well.

Politically he's about as middle of the road as they come, voting for taxes when appropriate and standing up for his values when needed. I don't always agree with Heck but the outrage happening over his participation is way, way, way overblown.
 

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We can give her her own credit for what she has accomplished, don't need to stretch to give it to someone else.

Yes, she is great on her own. I'm just happy she is surrounding herself with great people as well. How your defined in washington is who you surround yourself with after all. And without that support base of other progressives...it might be easy for new politicans to go into washington and get swept up with getting told by "veterans" about how things work and how they better act


They make me angry as well. Donut twitter is full of those kinds of people who end up using the exact kind of rhetoric the right uses when it comes to certain policies.

What's donut twitter
 
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What's donut twitter?
Nina Turner tried to deliver a copy of Our Revolution's People's Platform to the DNC, but she was barred from entering. DNC organizers brought her and her people donuts which didn't sit well with Turner:

"They tried to seduce us with donuts and water," Turner told BuzzFeed. "They're pompous and arrogant enough to say to the people, 'you're not good enough to be on our property — and, oh by the way, we're just gonna hand you donuts and water over the barricade.' That is insulting. Absolutely insulting…For them to be that tone-deaf, or that arrogant, to think that it's OK to put up a barricade so that the people can't even — I mean, we were not even good enough to stand on their stairs."

After that, neoliberals and centrists decided to put Donuts in their twitter handle:

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Nina Turner tried to deliver a copy of Our Revolution's People's Platform to the DNC, but she was barred from entering. DNC organizers brought her and her people donuts which didn't sit well with Turner:



After that, neoliberals and centrists decided to put Donuts in their twitter handle:

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What the fuuuuck. I never heard about that..that's some crazy shit. Nina turner gets no respect at all as a upstanding woman of color
 

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Nina Turner tried to deliver a copy of Our Revolution's People's Platform to the DNC, but she was barred from entering. DNC organizers brought her and her people donuts which didn't sit well with Turner:

After that, neoliberals and centrists decided to put Donuts in their twitter handle:

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Oh jesus everloving christ.
 

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Say what you will about AoC, but it's way past time that Congressmen have this conversation out loud. Why does freshman orientation = a roundtable with lobbyists and CEOs? Congresspersons are supposed to be trying to get their constituents the best possible representation in Washington. That the question makes people uncomfortable is a sign that they've grown too fat and complacent with the status quo.
 

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I criticized her for not having staff fact-check her tweets after the gaffe on pentagon spending.

She is enemy #1 of republicans and she needs to not give them any ammo if she can help it. They'll still find ways to demonize her, of course, but let's not make it easy for them to taint her in the eyes of the "bothsides" centrists/independents.

I sure as hell don't hate her. I want her to be president in 6-10 years and she's probably my favorite politician because of her earnestness and moral fiber.

Just...systematically fact-check your tweets, Cortez. That's a teeny thing, Innit? That's literally my only criticism of her so far.
That's fair. I'm speaking about the "liberals" calling her stupid.
 

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Or here me out... maybe she doesn't suck at racial and social issues the way Sanders flubs them... but sure identity politics

Neoliberals have used hollow racial and social "issues" against Sanders as an attack constantly, and on twitter usually render them against any progressives who speak out, INLCLUDING Ocasio Cortez, they've tried without a doubt to smear her as an antisemite for calling out Israeli settlements. Don't be ignorant of the truth of the manufactured "bernie bro" myth. Neera tanden is still using that slur to this very day.

Unless your going to tell me that Bakari sellers using foe outrage about Bernie sanders saying that Obama's charisma and great personal appeal helped the democrats escape political scrutiny by the public for 8 years despite the losses under their leadership is somehow an old white dude talking down to us black people. I can smell the fakeness in the air.


Maybe she should ditch Tulsi Gabbard from her organization, among other things, if she wants to be taken seriously

Your being too transparent right now, please stop. This thread is not about your insecurity.
 

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Joe Heck is actually a pretty good choice to have in front of newly elected folks. He has experience as an elected at both the state and federal level. He serves in the military. He's a reputable doctor as well.

Politically he's about as middle of the road as they come, voting for taxes when appropriate and standing up for his values when needed. I don't always agree with Heck but the outrage happening over his participation is way, way, way overblown.
Well, a few points: this sounds like exactly the kind of experience that freshmen legislators could benefit from. But there's also the question of what exactly they're learning at a "roundtable."

How long was the session? What did the panelists talk about? (As in, was this anecdotal or substantive?) What were the other panels like? What was the point of the overall conference? Was attendance by freshmen legislators mandatory or encouraged? How many panelists were repeat attendees, such that it's just a thing everyone does this time of year and no one really gives it much thought?

I've been to pointless roundtables that were basically rehashes; I go to a particular one pretty much every year, and it's just an excuse to see old colleagues.

I also doubt that Joe Heck is receiving the brunt of disapproval here; I'm sure that's properly reserved for Gary Cohn.

Either way, the overall question of "why is this part of orientation anyway" is the important one.
 
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Or here me out... maybe she doesn't suck at racial and social issues the way Sanders flubs them... but sure identity politics
Actually, some have tried to paint her bad on identity politics when she decided to endorse a white guy over a Native American woman.



It didn't really stick, though.

Here is AOC's lovely response:

 

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Actually, some have tried to paint her bad on identity politics when she decided to endorse a white guy over a Native American woman.



It didn't really stick, though.

Here is AOC's lovely response:


Imani Ghandi has some bad takes sometimes but I view her favorably in generally. I know some leftist really have it for her tho and for what I can assume is good reason. Anyway wow this a bad take lol
 
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Imani Ghandi has some bad takes sometimes but I view her favorably in generally. I know some leftist really have it for her tho and for what I can assume is good reason. Anyway wow this a bad take lol
I find her take to be the perfect illustration of bad identity politics, criticizing someone for not endorsing a candidate simply because of their racial, sexual, etc. identity without regard for their policies. And AOC's response is the perfect answer to it.

Here is AOC talking about it with Glenn Greenwald: