Rashida Tlaib and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez call out Harvard's Congressional Orientation for having too many lobbyists

[Inuhanyou]

Jesus Hillary gets brought up as much as people accuse progressives of bringing up Bernie. Stop making this about how neoliberal centrists who have reigned in the public eye and ruled the government in multiple facets for decades as multi billionaires are so victimized. This is about progressive time, and how Cortez is making the right moves in her first steps as a politician, be damned how the right attacks her.

 

[Deleted member 22490]

Jesus Hillary gets brought up as much as people accuse progressives of bringing up Bernie. Stop making this about how neoliberal centrists who have reigned in the public eye and ruled the government in multiple facets for decades as multi billionaires are so victimized. This is about progressive time, and how Cortez is making the right moves in her first steps as a politician, be damned how the right attacks her.

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I think it also presupposes that the left cannot come up with criticisms of politicians independent of right wing media. I've noticed that some liberals assume that if they are being attached by both the left and the right, they'll assume that the left is playing into right wing rhetoric.

I saw it with the chuck schumer and the border wall thread a couple of weeks ago. Liberals assumed that everyone complaining about chuck Schumer wanting the wall was buying into breitbart bullshit when in actuality it was people buying into a mistake a cnn journalist tweeted.

 

[TarNaru33]

Nina Turner is a fucking idiot and deserves all the shit she gets

But it's always good to see self proclaimed "true left wing" folks attack identity politics, pretty much par for the course.

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People twist this so much honestly. Progressives do not like the sole use of identity politics with no substantive policies.

It's not an attack on inclusive identity politics itself. As a Black person, I am not going to back a Black conservative Democrat over a White progressive one just because he is Black. The policies matter to me and will be what I base my decision on. Just because that candidate is Black or talks big on identity politics does not mean their policies will help me or minorities.

For some reason people twist this belief as a criticism of identity politics as a whole, it isn't, it's the use of it. Just like Republicans use exclusive identity politics, it's the way it is used.

If we can field a progressive Democrat, great! If we can field a progressive Democrat who is a minority, even better! We will back them 100%, but the policy have to be there.

We had 2 minority progressive candidates who lost their elections simply due cheating in the case of Abrams and cheatin+poor outreach campaigning (didnt bother to reach Hispanics) in the case of Gillum.

As for this thread I am not surprised, corporate influence being this significant is something that never should have happened.

I believe millennials will better combat it assuming trends continue or increase. I feel we would also be better equipped and willing to throw out norms for the sake of progress.

EDIT: Calling it tokenism probably wont stop the "confusion", I am pretty certain it's just them being disengenious as a way to attack supporters.

 

[Reverse Giraffe]

People have been non-stop talking about Ocasio-Cortez ever since she won her seat. On both the left and the right. I can't think of any representative-elect that has ever gotten this much buzz.

 

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Calling it tokenism probably wont stop the "confusion", I am pretty certain it's just them being disengenious as a way to attack supporters.

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I was hoping that it was confusion at best instead of the intentional disingenuous reading of it because they want to continue to push the narrative that leftists are racists, but I should know better.

 

[TheLucasLite]

I was hoping that it was confusion at best instead of the intentional disingenuous reading of it because they want to continue to push the narrative that leftists are racists, but I should know better.

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I always just figured the "confusion" just comes out of pure ignorance. Like people who can honestly believe something like this:

 

[Deleted member 8561]

That's what i'm saying. Progressives are so disingenuously smeared by centrists that they don't even care about understanding what we're trying to say. Very uncool.

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Uhhh

Bernie now has allies on captial hill that arent smeared as crazy loons by a big portion of centrist neoliberals who want to protect the status quo. Things can only get better with Our Revolution/PCCC/Justice Dem/Dem Socialist folks in congress calling this shit out and airing the dirty laundry for all to see.

While Cortez has her centrist haters, it feels way smaller than the group that hate on Bern, and i think its cause they cant use the identity politics game on her. She's smart, she's capable, she's an astute young woman of color who has plenty of time to grow and get even better at this job, and the more hollow attacks can bounce off of her and people like Rashida talib(although she still will get the antisemite accusation thrown around)

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You think that people attacking Bernie are weaponizing identity politics because they are secretly moderate/right wing and want to destroy the true liberal agenda.

Just a reminder, you brought up both Bernie and Tina in a thread that had nothing to do about them, then complain when people point out your ridiculous posts. The dichotomy of being both a perpetual political victim of the mainstream and somehow the true voice of the people is always a fascinating thing to witness.

It probably starts out with intention from specific actors who have something to gain from it and it gets filtered down to a point where someone like that just repeats it without thinking. I think the posters here know what they're doing, though

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Also, talking in generalities and vagueness about other posters in your thread is unbecoming. If you have an issue with a poster or "specific actors" just actually say what's on your mind instead of trying to be mysterious. It's annoying. It's weird that you're not even the first one to do this in such a small thread.

And to actually be on topic, I actually like AOC. I think she is probably going to be in for a bit of a rude awakening when the actual political game starts to get going. I don't agree with her on medicare for all, but that's an issue that I have with all social/justice or what ever Democrats.

 

[Deleted member 22490]

It probably starts out with intention from specific actors who have something to gain from it and it gets filtered down to a point where someone like that just repeats it without thinking. I think the posters here know what they're doing, though

 

[Deleted member 7130]

Honestly good for her, she's legit scaring the shit out of these fuckers.

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Plus, everyone is forgetting that she isn't taking it lying down and she's a more savy social media personality than Clinton could ever be.

 

[manchego obfuscator]

I always just figured the "confusion" just comes out of pure ignorance. Like people who can honestly believe something like this:

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A lot of these anti-left tribalists' political self-identities are so wrapped up in the idea of the Democratic Party as a self-evidently progressive force for good that they genuinely cannot process the existence of a politics meaningfully to its left. Starting from the assumption that anyone who criticizes Democrats from the left is racist or sexist, or just a Bernie personality cultist, and working backwards from there, allows them to avoid any critical thinking about the party's ideological and policy failings.

 

[Deleted member 22490]

Plus, everyone is forgetting that she isn't taking it lying down and she's a more savy social media personality than Clinton could ever be.

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yup. Look at this

 

[WaffleTaco]

Plus, everyone is forgetting that she isn't taking it lying down and she's a more savy social media personality than Clinton could ever be.

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I feel as if this is an unfair comparison considering Hillary was already hated throughout the 90's lol

 

[Deleted member 7130]

I feel as if this is an unfair comparison considering Hillary was already hated throughout the 90's lol

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Kind of my point. It's a bad comparison to begin with, but people insist on equating how the GOP will attack both of them as if it would have the exact same effect.

 

[WaffleTaco]

Kind of my point. It's a bad comparison to begin with, but people insist on equating how the GOP will attack both of them as if it would have the exact same effect.

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Ah okay, I missed the context on that.

 

[Inuhanyou]

A lot of these anti-left tribalists' political self-identities are so wrapped up in the idea of the Democratic Party as a self-evidently progressive force for good that they genuinely cannot process the existence of a politics meaningfully to its left. Starting from the assumption that anyone who criticizes Democrats from the left is racist or sexist, or just a Bernie personality cultist, and working backwards from there, allows them to avoid any critical thinking about the party's ideological and policy failings.

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This encapsulates my entire problem with centrists for years now, beyond the dismissal of the detrimental effects money has on our political system across the isle. Thank you for putting it so succinctly. I have been trying and failing to state the exact same thing and its just because i'm not wordy enough that it comes out as rambling

 

[Naijaboy]

Do you even know what identity politics means when progressives use it as a term?

Calling a woman fucking idiot because she cares about certain issues more than you do and you turned the "battle" into a tribal affair seems a lot more telling than "true left wing folks" calling people who use their identities to get by without having a full throated support and policy oriented focus for the marginalized and the disenfranchised communities they are supposed to represent. But sure.



As long as she stays true to her values and remains a true advocate for the people, it doesnt matter what they throw at her because its all hollow bullshit that doesn't actually stick.

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Also, there's going to be less people around that will believe that crap, so those talking points won't resonate as well 10 years later as they did to Hilary. The only thing that would hurt her is if she betrays her own policy.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Also, there's going to be less people around that will believe that crap, so those talking points won't resonate as well 10 years later as they did to Hilary. The only thing that would hurt her is if she betrays her own policy.

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That's usually the thing that hurts politicians IMO. Hillary was being attacked from the right for absolute nonsense(benghazi, and her emails, pizzagate and just general ridiculousness like being a woman in a position of power), and from the left for actual policy disagreements(her hawkish foreign policy, coziness with big institutions and the revolving door, her husband's job as president and her role in advocating policy then, her controversial time as secretary of state ect).

And the right actually disingenuously co opted a lot of the lefts policy disagreements with her to basically create a giant swirl of discontent and distrust across the political spectrum.

Trump was cleanly able to use his horrible attitude against her in the same way, to make himself seem better, or the two choices to be a false choice to the point where enough people wanted to overthrow the establishment in general.

If you stick to your values on the other hand, there isn't much that will stick if your base doesn't abandon you and its only the right pulling nonsense out of their ass.

 

[Deleted member 22490]

This encapsulates my entire problem with centrists for years now, beyond the dismissal of the detrimental effects money has on our political system across the isle. Thank you for putting it so succinctly. I have been trying and failing to state the exact same thing and its just because i'm not wordy enough that it comes out as rambling

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Yup. It's the same reason why some deride Bernie Sanders for not being a Democrat. They think the Democratic Party is the only path to do good.

 

[Muppet of a Man]

That's what i'm saying. Progressives are so disingenuously smeared by centrists that they don't even care about understanding what we're trying to say. Very uncool.

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She just gets it. It's not enough to just be a woman and/or a minority. We've seen how the Democratic Party machine tokenizes minority representatives and then doesn't do shit to help them help minorities out from a policy perspective once they get elected, falling back on the inertia of the status quo instead. That shit has got to stop now. She's got the balls to call them out on it, and I love every second of it.

 

[Skelepuzzle]

Why does this shit always go back go Bernie. Just let the women involved get the credit they deserve.

 

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[night814]

Plus, everyone is forgetting that she isn't taking it lying down and she's a more savy social media personality than Clinton could ever be.

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For sure, shes got people energized very fast and has kept her momentum up