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Razer Brazil just cut ties with a female influencer because she talked back to harassers [read threadmarks and see staff post before posting]
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There's something pretty funny/tragic about an apology lamenting "discrimination against men" with "for gamers, by gamers" emblazoned at the bottom.
Yeah she has been repeated harassed by men so it's obvious that she's referring to the type of men who are harassing her in her tweet. Like what do people expect her to do? Say "Men are trash but maybe these ones over here are OK"?
If she was talking about it after being harrased then OF FUCKING COURSE she is referring to the idiots harrassing her and if anyone is offended by that I seriously don't understand. Even if it is generalization it makes sense in this context AND the group that is being generalized IS NOT discriminated in any way in real life so really, that's not the same as sexism towards women. It's really simple.
Context is a very concept difficult for a certain subset of men apparently.
Even if she had said "Literally all men are garbage" she would obviously be using "literally" to vent and exaggerate. And she didn't even do that!
Gamers are garbage. Razer Brazil is garbage.
Gamers are garbage. Razer Brazil is garbage.
Dont tell me to wake up while trying to force your notions of the Brazilian people on me
Also on all your travels did you encounter truly common people or just privilieged ones?
Men are indeed trash and any bullshit offense you or me take from said statement detracts from us actually learning and discussing how fucked up the patriarchy is and what we need to do to fix shit, be human, and make our society safe, just and welcoming to everyone
It is not that hard to have some empathy and realize that sometimes it's not about you, unless you're one of the despicable dumbfucks that are willing harass this and other women to "defend" their shit stinking bubble of privilege
It is not that hard to have some empathy and realize that sometimes it's not about you, unless you're one of the despicable dumbfucks that are willing harass this and other women to "defend" their shit stinking bubble of privilege
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Razer should cut ties with anyone in Razer Brazil responsible for this announcement and the reaction.
They punish the victim of the harassment and encourage the harassers for their stupid action.
They punish the victim of the harassment and encourage the harassers for their stupid action.
I'm surprised at how many people on here actually get offended by the "men are trash" statement.
I know I'm not trash, I also fully understand what people mean when they make that statement. If it offends you, it's time for some introspection and mayhaps some empathy towards those slightly less fortunate.
I know I'm not trash, I also fully understand what people mean when they make that statement. If it offends you, it's time for some introspection and mayhaps some empathy towards those slightly less fortunate.
I can not comprehend focusing on the non-issue of someone saying "men are trash" as a response to men being trash, after being made aware of this situation where a woman was harassed, understandably had an emotional outburst (which she later apologized for and the seemingly innocent guy who was targeted was ok with), which was later dug up by some anti-SJW outrage grifter on Youtube, leading to (I presume) a mob of shitheads contacting companies she worked with, leading to Razer ending their relationship with her.
The problem here is not the woman who called trashy men trash, it is the behavior and actions of these men, and companies like Razer.
And by dismissing the actual problem and trying to make the conversation about how she is the one who did wrong, you're contributing to it.
Ditto for trying to make it about how saying "men are trash" should be considered an offense on the same level as hateful language targeting a vulnerable or oppressed group.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad and shitty that those who react badly and negatively towards and feel hurt and offended by this perceived insult, largely dismiss and are seemingly unable to empathize with this woman who received actual targeted harassment and death threats towards herself and her family.
Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Why should anyone care about your bullshit plight?
It's like going on the stage of a fundraiser for cancer and going: "Please pray for me and open your wallets, for I am sick. I have a cold!" when that rasp in the back of your throat is actually just from breathing with your mouth open when you were gasping at the audacity of the person previously on stage saying "Fuck cancer!" "I was born in July, I'm a Cancer, they said fuck me!", you thought, like an idiot.
The problem here is not the woman who called trashy men trash, it is the behavior and actions of these men, and companies like Razer.
And by dismissing the actual problem and trying to make the conversation about how she is the one who did wrong, you're contributing to it.
Ditto for trying to make it about how saying "men are trash" should be considered an offense on the same level as hateful language targeting a vulnerable or oppressed group.
It'd be funny if it wasn't so sad and shitty that those who react badly and negatively towards and feel hurt and offended by this perceived insult, largely dismiss and are seemingly unable to empathize with this woman who received actual targeted harassment and death threats towards herself and her family.
Like, what the fuck is wrong with you? Why should anyone care about your bullshit plight?
It's like going on the stage of a fundraiser for cancer and going: "Please pray for me and open your wallets, for I am sick. I have a cold!" when that rasp in the back of your throat is actually just from breathing with your mouth open when you were gasping at the audacity of the person previously on stage saying "Fuck cancer!" "I was born in July, I'm a Cancer, they said fuck me!", you thought, like an idiot.
Yeah at first I was like why all these guys getting banned and for saying we should generalize? But it's pretty obvious what the phrase implies and it's not like she went out of her way to rip ALL men specifically. Gotta use a little common sense ppl and of course some empathy. I work at a NJ turnpike and the first time a group of women drove by and basically treated me as sex object "take off your hat, stand up and let me see you, etc etc.." all I could think of is "is this how women feel all the time?" Fooook this!
You think you would be flattered, nah, it just makes you feel uncomfortable.
"And since we all came from a woman
Got our name from a woman and our game from a woman
I wonder why we take from our women
Why we rape our women — do we hate our women?
I think it's time to kill for our women
Time to heal our women, be real to our women
And if we don't we'll have a race of babies
That will hate the ladies that make the babies
And since a man can't make one
He has no right to tell a woman when and where to create one
So will the real men get up?
I know you're fed up, ladies, but keep ya head up"
She's 100% right. Men sure love passing blame around but taking collective responsibility and holding each other accountable? Nah that's generalization mate!To better contextualize the thread, here's what I could gather from this:
Her original tweet (direct translation below):
"There will always be a fucking man to talk shit and sexualize women even when a woman is making a joke, right? That's why men are trash."
- "Gee, Gabi, you don't need to generalize either :("
- "Yes, I do. When we say this stuff, men say "hey, don't generalize, not all men" and on their FIRST opportunity, act like assholes towards a girl. Men that aren't TRASH are the exception, not the majority. We need to generalize so these sons of bitches wake up."
She apologized not long after these tweets, though, but she kept being harassed (of course). She and her family are receiving death threats, with people posting places she goes to on Chan.
If your first reaction to "men need to stop treating women like shit" is "HEY I DON'T DO THAT SHUT UP WOMAN!!!!!!11" then get the fuck out of here.
I'm sorry, but the Twitter harassment AND this thread is fucking silly. If I say "all men are trash", then as a man, you have a right to be offended, and should very well be offended. Fuck how your trash ass feels. There is no situation in which I'm saying "all (any group) is trash" without generalizing, and it's probably because I've been subject to or witnessed so much trash behavior from men that it's hard to believe otherwise.
HOWEVER, you aren't gonna use that as a launchpad to ignore the real, ACTUAL problem of men being trash to women. And even being a person who has made peace with the consequences that statement might bring doesn't justify anyone actually proving me right. In addition to that, I'd be DAMNED if anyone made a generalization about a group of people that I identify with and was told that I couldn't take offense "becoz context"; I literally have to deal with people at work using that lame ass excuse to justify some dumb shit they said about "the blacks" or some dusty ass black guy saying some weird shit about all black women because of "their personal experiences"...
I gotta take a fuckin' long ass break from this site...
HOWEVER, you aren't gonna use that as a launchpad to ignore the real, ACTUAL problem of men being trash to women. And even being a person who has made peace with the consequences that statement might bring doesn't justify anyone actually proving me right. In addition to that, I'd be DAMNED if anyone made a generalization about a group of people that I identify with and was told that I couldn't take offense "becoz context"; I literally have to deal with people at work using that lame ass excuse to justify some dumb shit they said about "the blacks" or some dusty ass black guy saying some weird shit about all black women because of "their personal experiences"...
I gotta take a fuckin' long ass break from this site...
you're wrong tho, All women are trash
now let's see who gets the ban hammer, come on mods, prove me wrong
Stop. With. The. False. Equivalence.
You are comparing fucking RACISM to calling men trash? Are you fucking kidding me?
THE POOR MALE GAMERS.. THEY ARE SO MARGINALIZED...
Cant you see how fucking stupid that sounds? Are you one of those that support straight pride and believes in reverse racism too?
She obviously doesn't think every man is a bad person. She's also obviously right that men as a societal entity are corrupt.
I do think there's a better way to communicate that than "all men are trash," but so what. If men weren't so fragile they would easily be able to see the message here.
I do think there's a better way to communicate that than "all men are trash," but so what. If men weren't so fragile they would easily be able to see the message here.
This thread might explain why I've rarely dated gamers, even despite being so deep into gaming myself.
The amount of bullshit commentary, opinions, and actions I've dealt with is enough to fill a book.
It's not like this shit is a secret either; BUT LET'S BE MAD AT GABI. >___>
(yeah im generalizing, don't @ me)
The amount of bullshit commentary, opinions, and actions I've dealt with is enough to fill a book.
It's not like this shit is a secret either; BUT LET'S BE MAD AT GABI. >___>
(yeah im generalizing, don't @ me)
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My God, you didn't actually read any of what I just typed, did you? You couldn't have possibly reached THAT conclusion, if you did...
On what planet does "people should get offended when offensive things are said about them" translate to "yes, racism and talking about male gamers are equally bad"? The fact that you're being so extra right now makes me believe you're one of those people that don't belong to any marginalized group whatsoever but really makes a point of overdoing it when you try to speak FOR us. It's really annoying and it makes you look like a fucking clown, please stop...
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So accurate it hurts.
ThIs thread is baffling; but then again, its ERA.
So I never got an answer before; was she associated with Razer when she made the statements in question?
She was a brand ambassador I believe. Not sure if she was at that point.
What do you think? I was working, not doing turism.
As long as we deny that there's something wrong with our culture in that regard, we're bound to the circle of one generation liberal, one generation alt right extremists.
People say things all the time that are generalizations
You need to know context and interpret it.
If she has a history of misandry sure ok call her out and cut ties. But an off the cuff comment in a moment of duress while under harassment is not it.
This is not that hard to parse. iMHO
You need to know context and interpret it.
If she has a history of misandry sure ok call her out and cut ties. But an off the cuff comment in a moment of duress while under harassment is not it.
This is not that hard to parse. iMHO
While that's true, I think you are ignoring that the average brazilian has almost no education, half of our citizens don't have even basic sanitation. And yeah, most of of this people are christian, but are they really conservative? They don't care about human rights, it's true, but I think that seeing someone die every week on your street or having to run on your way to school to avoid a shooting can fuck up your notion of what human rights is, you just want it to stop. These people want free education, free healthcare, they want more government, but they can't trust the government anymore and, seriously, can you blame them? I don't know every brazilian here, but it's safe to say that we're really fucking privileged. I never even heard of anyone that has no basic sanitation, while half of brazil don't have it, that's how privileged I am.
That's not to say that we don't have our share of shity people, but it's important to note that Bolsonaro's popularity is bigger on our whitest and richest cities and these people (myself included) aren't the average brazilian.
Never underestimate the power of the cookie. Some people live for it.
While I agree that, yes, Bolsonaro had a sweeping majority of upper-class elites voting for him and they aren't the real Brazil, we can't kid ourselves into thinking that somewhere the "real average Brazilian" voted for him out of a sense of naiveté and good intentions. Bolsonaro is a populist, his whole point is making his platform about easily digestible talking points with little nuance (that joke that his government agenda was just "Tem que mudar as coisa aí" isn't far from reality).
Plus, this wouldn't be the first time a company tried to cash in on the conservative wave in Brazil.
Oh, I don't think people were just naive. I just think it's a bit unfair to categorize these people as just conservative. Our country clearly failed them and it's very hard to not fall to populism rhetoric when you're that marginalized.
That is very true. Reminds me of when people were calling people from Roraima as anti-immigrant when the situation was clearly of a small rural community having to struggle for resources with an immigrant population, an alarming situation created by two governments (Brazil's and Venezuela's) completely failing their people.
Yep. It's even more glaring when you realize that several people that voted for Lula before voted for Bolsonaro now. The problems are way more nuanced and all the pigeonholing happening since the elections just made everything worse.
Someone says: "Women are trash"
"F YEAH that's right! Get back to sewing clothes women! Leave this to the real gamers!"
Woman says: "Men are trash"
"NOW WAIT JUST A MINUTE!!!"
Do these people not see how stupid they are???
"F YEAH that's right! Get back to sewing clothes women! Leave this to the real gamers!"
Woman says: "Men are trash"
"NOW WAIT JUST A MINUTE!!!"
Do these people not see how stupid they are???
I refuse to believe that any actual grown ass men got mad at her comments. Man-childs on the other hand? That I can see.
It's making the rounds in the north-american media. Daily Dot reported on it, but they are pretty small.
This is totally how I feel Razer responded to this situation (and I feel it's even more ridiculous that this happened YEARS ago and they feel that retrospectively this is the appropriate course of action). I think the lines are a bit blurry in the responses in this thread however.
I think she should have considered the repercussions just because (ironically) her main demo are male gamers. So saying something like htat directly affects her viewership.
She had a bad day and lashed out, she even said she has matured and would have responded differently today, its stupid to crucify anyone within this context, specially a woman who sees abuse on a daily basis.
Its sad that women need to measure some things to see success in this filed. Because even they cater to male gamers for viewers, as they are the main public that consumes livestreams and such. I dont agree with what Razer did, of course, but I see it. The public who buys their shit started going after them, so they panicked and protected thei bottom line.
They should still be taken to task tho. See why and how they could be better than this.
She had a bad day and lashed out, she even said she has matured and would have responded differently today, its stupid to crucify anyone within this context, specially a woman who sees abuse on a daily basis.
Its sad that women need to measure some things to see success in this filed. Because even they cater to male gamers for viewers, as they are the main public that consumes livestreams and such. I dont agree with what Razer did, of course, but I see it. The public who buys their shit started going after them, so they panicked and protected thei bottom line.
They should still be taken to task tho. See why and how they could be better than this.
I don't think I heard that they declined to renew her contract as opposed to straight of dropping her, before reading that article.
Well, shit. Here I was going to buy a Razer Blade because I like the form factor but I guess not. Fuck Razer.
A woman is being harassed, threatened, and dropped by a source of her income but some of y'all had to go all #NOTALLMEN because of a statement she made in justified frustration.
Doesn't excuse the terrible comments from before the clarification either.
Doesn't excuse the terrible comments from before the clarification either.
More like the fragility in this whole fucking thread, Jesus.
Imagine getting this worked up over a comment made by someone half a world away, which may not apply to you, in a fucking language most of you wouldn't even understand without someone translating it for you.
These guys are more fragile than Mr. Glass when he bumps up against a wall and breaks his arm in three places.
So she got fired for basically speaking the truth? Men as a collective and most concepts of masculinity are in fact toxic and trash. See: homophobia, rape culture, misogyny, etc.
We're trash. I would know, I'm a man.
We're trash. I would know, I'm a man.