Red Dead Redemption 2 |OT2| For A Few Hours More

Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
I haven't read through the thread but suspect I won't be alone in this... But I am on the verge of giving up on this game because of the terrible sluggish controls. I've barely started it - ten hours maybe? - but I'm just finding it an absolute chore to play. Controls feel heavy and sluggish, animations are overly long, and the actual controller mappings with all the button holds are just poor.

Did anyone else go through this and persevere with the game? Was it worth it? Or shall I just ditch it and go to my next backlog games (god of war and Spiderman...!)
It's definitely sluggish. Have you set your controls to the ones suggested in the OP? The default settings for deadzone and aim acceleration are terrible in conjunction with the massive input lag that you can't disable, but tweaking those improves the experience a great deal. It still never feels snappy by any stretch of the imagination, but it makes it more playable.

If I go bald or get a buzzcut at the barber will my hair still be able to grow back?
Yes. There's no way to stop your hair growing apart from reaching max length.

When you complete a trapper outfit does it save it as a premade outfit for gameplay purposes?
Yes, once you complete an outfit or any piece of clothing at the trapper, it'll be in your inventory at your wardrobe forever (you can also visit the trapper again and equip anything he's already made you directly).
 

Bonefish

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Oct 28, 2017
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My horse's testicles are too big and they freak me out Ive gotta get a female horse asap

Also are horse saddles and stirrups like weapon equipment where it doesnt matter which you have equipped as long as you've bought the highest tier?
lmao. I just can’t with the male horses either, tried one a bit and it was just too humorous and distracting. I’ve had a female horse since the start and don’t see ever changing her.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
Ok that makes the trapper stuff even more worth seeking out.

Also is there no place to sell ammo?
Why would you want to sell ammo? It doesn't free up inventory space, and ammo is very inexpensive so it wouldn't even net you more than a few cents.

It's really annoying the challenges aren't just all unlocked at once
This is one of my biggest complaints with the game. They aren't unlocked all at once and some of them are incredibly poorly thought out. Some of the early Weapon Master challenges include getting 3 throwing knife kills in 10 seconds and killing 3 birds of prey with a thrown tomahawk. Good challenges, a nice test of skill. Meanwhile, challenge 8 in that category is simply getting 15 shotgun kills, which you can do within the first few missions of the game. Why is that one further down the list than killing 4 consecutive enemies with the same thrown tomahawk? It makes no sense. And some of them (Master Hunter, Herbalist, Horseman and Survivalist) can't even be completed fully until the Epilogue, at which point you have no need for the minor stat boosts they unlock. It is objectively bad game design.

Treasure hunting is fun though.

Stranger missions are locked to chapters too? Man the game's annoyances are starting to add up lol
Some are. There are very few that are only available in specific chapters though; usually once they're unlocked, they remain available throughout the game and into the endgame. But best to do them as they become available so you don't miss out on anything.
 

Justsomeguy

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Oct 27, 2017
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It's definitely sluggish. Have you set your controls to the ones suggested in the OP? The default settings for deadzone and aim acceleration are terrible in conjunction with the massive input lag that you can't disable, but tweaking those improves the experience a great deal. It still never feels snappy by any stretch of the imagination, but it makes it more playable.


Yes. There's no way to stop your hair growing apart from reaching max length.


Yes, once you complete an outfit or any piece of clothing at the trapper, it'll be in your inventory at your wardrobe forever (you can also visit the trapper again and equip anything he's already made you directly).
Will give it a spin, thanks !
 

Psychoward

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Nov 7, 2017
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Why would you want to sell ammo? It doesn't free up inventory space, and ammo is very inexpensive so it wouldn't even net you more than a few cents.


This is one of my biggest complaints with the game. They aren't unlocked all at once and some of them are incredibly poorly thought out. Some of the early Weapon Master challenges include getting 3 throwing knife kills in 10 seconds and killing 3 birds of prey with a thrown tomahawk. Good challenges, a nice test of skill. Meanwhile, challenge 8 in that category is simply getting 15 shotgun kills, which you can do within the first few missions of the game. Why is that one further down the list than killing 4 consecutive enemies with the same thrown tomahawk? It makes no sense. And some of them (Master Hunter, Herbalist, Horseman and Survivalist) can't even be completed fully until the Epilogue, at which point you have no need for the minor stat boosts they unlock. It is objectively bad game design.

Treasure hunting is fun though.


Some are. There are very few that are only available in specific chapters though; usually once they're unlocked, they remain available throughout the game and into the endgame. But best to do them as they become available so you don't miss out on anything.
Thanks for the info but re:ammo because i have like 400 repeater bullets and 200 split point bullets and cant loot any more so i just wanna get sone cash
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
Thanks for the info but re:ammo because i have like 400 repeater bullets and 200 split point bullets and cant loot any more so i just wanna get sone cash
The game is weird with money. Early on, it seems pretty stingy, then there are a couple missions with a hefty payout and soon you won't want for money again. But if you're interested in quick money, I recommend treasure hunts. They're triggered by getting maps off NPCs in the wild, they're available from the start of Chapter 2 and the payout is really good. Also, they're well designed and it's fun (and completely doable without a guide) to find the landmarks each guides you to, which helps encourage and reward exploration of the map.
 

Psychoward

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The game is weird with money. Early on, it seems pretty stingy, then there are a couple missions with a hefty payout and soon you won't want for money again. But if you're interested in quick money, I recommend treasure hunts. They're triggered by getting maps off NPCs in the wild, they're available from the start of Chapter 2 and the payout is really good. Also, they're well designed and it's fun (and completely doable without a guide) to find the landmarks each guides you to, which helps encourage and reward exploration of the map.
Yeah I'll do more treasure hunts soon. I think I'm on like level 3. Just trying to finish up the bandit challenges quickly so I can move past that and max my honor out positively lol.

I don't know if i like the idea of the stars for the pelt system. As it is I feel like if you get a clean kill you should get a perfect pelt anyway. As it is now you need to seek out the animal, make sure the animal isn't a useless two or one star animal, get a clean kill (right weapon on right body part for a 1 hit kill), skin it, put it on your horse and then ride all the way back to pearson/trapper/fence without dying to sell the parts (which you need to check an external guide beforehand in most cases to know where you should go). And you've gotta do it a hell of a lot of times for all 3 vendors.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
Yeah I'll do more treasure hunts soon. I think I'm on like level 3. Just trying to finish up the bandit challenges quickly so I can move past that and max my honor out positively lol.

I don't know if i like the idea of the stars for the pelt system. As it is I feel like if you get a clean kill you should get a perfect pelt anyway. As it is now you need to seek out the animal, make sure the animal isn't a useless two or one star animal, get a clean kill (right weapon on right body part for a 1 hit kill), skin it, put it on your horse and then ride all the way back to pearson/trapper/fence without dying to sell the parts (which you need to check an external guide beforehand in most cases to know where you should go). And you've gotta do it a hell of a lot of times for all 3 vendors.
Have you done the mission with Hosea hunting the legendary bear yet? That unlocks legendary animals which drop legendary animal parts that can be used to craft trinkets at the fence; these unlock special perks. Hunt the legendary buck; the perk makes you more likely to find 3-star animals and makes it so that kills are more likely to give perfect pelts if you get 1-shot kills. Totally worth it if you plan on doing a lot of hunting and crafting.
 

Psychoward

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Nov 7, 2017
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Have you done the mission with Hosea hunting the legendary bear yet? That unlocks legendary animals which drop legendary animal parts that can be used to craft trinkets at the fence; these unlock special perks. Hunt the legendary buck; the perk makes you more likely to find 3-star animals and makes it so that kills are more likely to give perfect pelts if you get 1-shot kills. Totally worth it if you plan on doing a lot of hunting and crafting.
Got it.

Since there's only one legendary animal though and there are multiple things that require legendary pelts how does that work though?
 

Psychoward

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Nov 7, 2017
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The boat is useless since your horse cant follow you with it. Also I jumped on a steamboat and it had 0 npcs and 0 openable doors which was pretty silly.

You would think with the vast decrease in buildings from gta v to rdr2 they would at least make every one openable, especially since there are minor houses that you can go into in the wilderness.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
Got it.

Since there's only one legendary animal though and there are multiple things that require legendary pelts how does that work though?
You get everything you need from the legendary animal, even if you happen to lose the pelt. So, for example, when I killed the legendary moose, I accidentally knocked it into water and it floated off. I went to the trapper and everything requiring legendary moose parts was still unlocked as though I had sold it to him. The game won't let you lose out on legendary animal parts.
 

Azzanadra

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Oct 25, 2017
2,036
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Thought you guys might find this interesting- remember the credits song from the first Red Dead Redemption called "Deadman's Gun"? Well the people that made that song (Ashtar Command) actually also made a song for Red Dead Redemption 2 called "Blessed are the Peacemakers". The song was meant to be a thematic follow-up to "Deadman's Gun" but alas the song didn't end up making to to the final game, but the guys at Ashtar Command released the song anyways a while back for fans who may be interested. I loved Deadman's Gun at the end of the first game, so I thought this song was definitely worth the listen.

Blessed are the Peacemakers
 

Blackthorn

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Oct 26, 2017
643
London
Been playing the game a few days, enjoying it so far, but what’s up with the aggressive and seemingly randomly activated depth of field?

Night time and interiors fare the worst, focusing on someone/thing brings them into focus but otherwise the whole scene is blurry. It disappears entirely in first person but I don’t intend to play that way.
 

Psychoward

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Nov 7, 2017
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Been playing the game a few days, enjoying it so far, but what’s up with the aggressive and seemingly randomly activated depth of field?

Night time and interiors fare the worst, focusing on someone/thing brings them into focus but otherwise the whole scene is blurry. It disappears entirely in first person but I don’t intend to play that way.
Pretty sure you can change it in the settings.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
So apparently at some point I disabled Autosave... don't remember doing that. Well in Chapter 5 there are a string of missions that lead into each other which means you can't manually save. Here I am thinking the game is autosaving. Nope. Now I'm replaying 3 missions that I've done twice already this week. Jesus fuck, I feel stupid. Not even the game's fault, I just can't believe I didn't realize nothing was getting saved.
 

ctfg23

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
1,640
Bay Area, California
Has anyone managed to get a length 10 beard with John? I've been stuck on an 8/10 mustache and 7/10 chin and chops forever despite drinking hair tonics like crazy. Even with Arthur I only managed to get everything to 8/10.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
Has anyone managed to get a length 10 beard with John? I've been stuck on an 8/10 mustache and 7/10 chin and chops forever despite drinking hair tonics like crazy. Even with Arthur I only managed to get everything to 8/10.
I found a YouTube video that explains the best technique (major spoilers in the video, so everything else will be spoiler tagged):
YouTube beard growth tutorial (not embedding cause I didn't watch it with sound enabled and I don't know if it's obnoxious). Judging by the comments on the video, it only works on an unpatched game; later patches capped the maximum length for John at a smaller value than 10. That technique should work with Arthur as well though, and he maxes out at 10. This chart lays out the time required to move between each level:

 

demosthenes

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Oct 25, 2017
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There's a gif in the OP of shooting a KKK member. I believe I'm in chapter 5, when am I going to get to kill some KKK?
 

Rex_DX

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Oct 28, 2017
369
Boston, MA, United States
There's a gif in the OP of shooting a KKK member. I believe I'm in chapter 5, when am I going to get to kill some KKK?
I played my entire first playthrough without seeing them.

Then in my second playthrough I’ve seen their meetings so often it’s almost comical. It’s like I was stuck in a scene from Birth of a Nation.

They assemble in rural areas at night. Look for bright lights in the woods out west near Strawberry and outside of Rhodes near the gangs camp in chapter 3.

Happy hunting and remember that a stick of dynamite works wonders.
 

demosthenes

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Oct 25, 2017
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Thanks.

Also, I think
I found john in jail on the balloon mission with sadie. She said meet her at a point but the mission won't activate? Why not.
 

Strafer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Got this game for my birthday and I'm fucking stunned how big this game world is, holy crap.

How can you possible finish this game. :D
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
There's a group that hangs around near your camp near Lemoyne, and they show up randomly usually at night. There might be a few other times when they show up as well throughout the story, I don't remember.
There are at least three distinct events that happen with the KKK. The first is around Rhodes in the woods at night (I've seen maps that show it either west of Southfield Flats or east of Mattock Pond, but that basic area). As you ride down the road, you might see fire coming from the woods; that's your cue to go sneak up and watch the ritual. You can interrupt, but interrupting may eliminate your ability to see the other two events involving the KKK. At any rate, if you do nothing, they'll still meet a fitting end.

The second encounter happens just north of Flatneck Station. This one happened to me in broad daylight. Again, you can intervene, but better to let things run their course.

The third encounter happens along the road that leads west and south out of Valentine, past Downe's Ranch near the Dakota River. This is the final encounter you will see, so at this point, feel free to just lay waste to everyone (after watching them accidentally killing each other on their own of course).

There's also a eugenicist in Saint Denis near the circle. You can do anything you want to this man and cops will turn a blind eye. I recommend hogtying him, taking him out to the swamps and feeding him to an alligator, but play around with it. Maybe take him out to the mountains way off in the northwest and feed him to some wolves (or a grizzly if you find one). Maybe throw him off Bacchus Bridge. I don't know if you can stow him in a boat, but try it and take him out to the middle of Flat Iron Lake and see how far he can swim. Bring him to one of the abandoned cabins and throw a molotov in it. The world is your oyster.
 

The Albatross

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Oct 25, 2017
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Still love the beauty of this game:




There are at least three distinct events that happen with the KKK. The first is around Rhodes in the woods at night (I've seen maps that show it either west of Southfield Flats or east of Mattock Pond, but that basic area). As you ride down the road, you might see fire coming from the woods; that's your cue to go sneak up and watch the ritual. You can interrupt, but interrupting may eliminate your ability to see the other two events involving the KKK. At any rate, if you do nothing, they'll still meet a fitting end.

The second encounter happens just north of Flatneck Station. This one happened to me in broad daylight. Again, you can intervene, but better to let things run their course.

The third encounter happens along the road that leads west and south out of Valentine, past Downe's Ranch near the Dakota River. This is the final encounter you will see, so at this point, feel free to just lay waste to everyone (after watching them accidentally killing each other on their own of course).

There's also a eugenicist in Saint Denis near the circle. You can do anything you want to this man and cops will turn a blind eye. I recommend hogtying him, taking him out to the swamps and feeding him to an alligator, but play around with it. Maybe take him out to the mountains way off in the northwest and feed him to some wolves (or a grizzly if you find one). Maybe throw him off Bacchus Bridge. I don't know if you can stow him in a boat, but try it and take him out to the middle of Flat Iron Lake and see how far he can swim. Bring him to one of the abandoned cabins and throw a molotov in it. The world is your oyster.
Ha! I've run into that eugenicist but didn't know you could do much with him. I'll have to head back and do my bidding with him.
 

Dragon's Game

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one of the interesting things about Arthur is that although he is anti-racist, in his relationships with Lenny,Javier etc. in a time when many white men were racist. he still shows prejudice towards the German family. It just shows that even a man like Arthur who tries to be good and do the right thing, can't always escape the conditions and prejudices of a society he was born in, no matter how much one might want to
 

Rex_DX

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Oct 28, 2017
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one of the interesting things about Arthur is that although he is anti-racist, in his relationships with Lenny,Javier etc. in a time when many white men were racist. he still shows prejudice towards the German family. It just shows that even a man like Arthur who tries to be good and do the right thing, can't always escape the conditions and prejudices of a society he was born in, no matter how much one might want to
Not sure his reaction to that family was because they were German. It felt more like he didn’t want to stick is neck out for strangers in general. Ethnicity or nationality is never mentioned and if this was Rockstar’s intended emphasis you’d think Charles would have brought it up when he reprimands Arthur for turning his back on them.
 

Dragon's Game

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Not sure his reaction to that family was because they were German. It felt more like he didn’t want to stick is neck out for strangers in general. Ethnicity or nationality is never mentioned and if this was Rockstar’s intended emphasis you’d think Charles would have brought it up when he reprimands Arthur for turning his back on them.
doesn't Arthur say though "they don't even speak our language"?
 

Kapten

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Nov 1, 2017
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Quick question since I haven't gone back to the game for a while.

But do Gold Medals and Mission Replays still need each goal in one go? Or have they patched this?
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
Quick question since I haven't gone back to the game for a while.

But do Gold Medals and Mission Replays still need each goal in one go? Or have they patched this?
All goals in one go unfortunately. And still no option to customize a loadout when you replay them so you're stuck with cattleman revolvers and the worst repeater for every replay.

Speaking of updates, I was playing again tonight and now I have two double-barrel shotguns in my inventory (three, technically, if you count the "rare shotgun"). I have a double-barrel shotgun, and then I have "double-barrel shotgun 1.00", which suggests that it's been changed in an update but they let me keep the original as well. What's up with that? It even has the little club icon next to it like an offhand pistol.
 

Strafer

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Oct 25, 2017
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I'm a little annoyed about this weight stuff, with the amount of realism they are going for here.

I'm always seem to be underweight even though I eat like 5 meals everyday.
 

Jimnymebob

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Oct 26, 2017
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I'm a little annoyed about this weight stuff, with the amount of realism they are going for here.

I'm always seem to be underweight even though I eat like 5 meals everyday.
The weight stuff doesn't really matter in all honesty. The being said, eating a few of the big meals in the
Saint Denis
Saloon puts on a bit of weight.
 

Dragon's Game

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it all started with this



Hope Rockstar does the same thing with Bully 2, a blue background and golden R when they are about to announce it
 

Strafer

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Oct 25, 2017
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Sucks that the game doesnt have playtime stats, really wanna know how long I've been playing.

Should be standard in all games.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
I like the shift in tone of the stranger missions in chapter 6. Like, early on in the game you get some goofy Rockstar shenanigans like chasing the little pyrotechnic wizard through the woods or fetching a mule that's painted like a zebra or kicking a pair of brothers repeatedly in the testicles; fun stuff. But then in chapter 6, you get proper character studies like Hamish Sinclair and Charlotte Balfour. It's great seeing how Arthur builds relationships as he tries to help people who aren't silly caricatures. In my first playthrough I missed out on the Veteran stranger missions entirely, and they're some of the best storytelling and character-building in a game that's overflowing with great examples of both.

I was so bummed when Hamish died. Like, come on man, Arthur just made a proper friend! Fucking hell.
 
Oct 27, 2017
2,231
Portland, OR
After the legendary panther killed me three times in a row by ambushing me, I found a suitable method for dealing with him; turns out a pump shotgun with explosive shells works a treat. He died on the first hit, but I had already tagged up four more in deadeye and I blasted that carcass to hell. But because he's legendary, no exploding, and I still got the pelt. Booyah.