On the first thing, yeah, it's part of the mystery. Maybe the Tal Shiar are responsible for sabotaging Picard's armada, who knows.I don't get anything about the Synths or how that relates to Picard/Mars/the Romulans, or why Romulans are trying to capture/kill Synths (just basic revenge, maybe?), because that's just a big black hole of stuff that hasn't been explained.
But Picard dreaming of Data on a daily basis, before any of this started, that's a bit too much for me.
In my opinion, i's not about things being rosy. Things weren't rosy back when Star Trek first aired and they certainly weren't rosy when TNG first aired. It's about believing in the good of humanity, its ability to evolve and look past its issues towards a brighter future. Believing that at our core we are better than this isn't handwaving society's serious issues, I think it shines a spotlight on the fact that we are wasting our true potential by being dragged down by them.I don't think the original TOS style and messaging work anymore. Post-racial and post-civil rights attitudes are problematic in how they gloss over real struggles. (DS9 knew this and devoted episodes and characters to address this.) Things are NOT rosy and pretending that they are runs contrary to the narrative of our times and for the hopeful future we seek to envision. Gene's views were arguably refreshing for their time, but they faltered terribly even by the 80's and 90's. Being nostalgic about the good old days flies against in the spirit of Star Trek and doesn't really work other than as an escape (which is fine if you want your science-fiction to be fantasy)
Yes, grim-dark sci-fi is prevalent in the mainstream, but not sci-fi that, as I mention, that acknowledges the darkness and pushes for change despite it all. I dislike Discovery because it has no message other than the simplest one: Having a Federation is good. But why? And how to achieve it? For whom?
Picard as a character is a good vehicle to explore those questions beyond the shallowest realms: An intellectual and a do-er, a reflective introvert and charismatic leader, broken by the system but inspired to take up the mantle again. What can he do to actively shape a disillusioned world? There is a compelling story here to tell beyond merely having him be a hero. I don't think they can do it, to be honest, but eh.
Yeah, I just listed them among the stuff I understand/don't understand. I very much assume that the show will be exploring the Synths/Romulans as it goes along. At the moment, I don't get it, but I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to.
In the opening dream, Data notes that Picard is stalling for time, and Picard pretty much says straight-up that it's because he doesn't want the dream to end. And then the dream takes a swerve into a Mars-catastrophe nightmare, which wakes Picard up.On the second, I don't think it's established that Picard is constantly dreaming of Data, just that he likes his dreams a lot of times.
In fact, we get the sense that Picard is also surprised by the dream, and that it coincides with the anniversary of the Mars catastrophe. We are meant to understand that this dream is the start of Picard's reawakening to do something about these past traumas.
Some fans are theorizing that Data's deck full of Queens in the dream sequence means Q is behind Picard's prophetic dreams
Yeah, the twins being modeled after Data’s painting is explained in the episode. Data imagined another daughter and Maddox just took that as inspiration for his experiments. Things like these are a reason why I don’t enjoy RLM’s critiques of a lot of media anymore.Yeah, I just listed them among the stuff I understand/don't understand. I very much assume that the show will be exploring the Synths/Romulans as it goes along. At the moment, I don't get it, but I'm pretty sure I'm not supposed to.
In the opening dream, Data notes that Picard is stalling for time, and Picard pretty much says straight-up that it's because he doesn't want the dream to end. And then the dream takes a swerve into a Mars-catastrophe nightmare, which wakes Picard up.
Picard's aides note that he's been sleeping badly, and ask if it's nightmares (plural), and Picard counters that the dreams are "lovely", so much so that he doesn't want to wake from them. One could conclude that he's just running from reality/drowning himself in the dream world in general, but I think it's more likely that this reaction has to do with it being Data specifically. When he's asleep, Data's alive, but when he wakes up, Data has to go back to being dead again.
I think this is supported by Picard's next sleep being another Data dream, and then when Picard gets KO'ed he gets a bunch of Data flashbacks. It's like, Picard's dreams in the first episode are 3-for-3 focused around Data, and he's had more dreams in the runup to the first episode, so I think it's safe to assume they were all about Data.
That didn't really bother me when I was watching the episode (I was just glad to see Stewart and Spiner acting again as Picard and Data, on the Enterprise-D, and like Picard, I didn't want the dream to end), but since RLM pointed it out, it does seem a little weird. If the dreams were specifically triggered, like if Picard started getting them after his first meeting with the daughter, then I think it makes sense, or maybe it also would if your suggested theory pans out.
Oh and, since I don't think I've said it yet, I'm fairly positive on this first episode, and interested in watching more. I'm just fine with critiquing it, and fine with other people critiquing it.
On that note, one thing I noticed in Mike and Rich's discussion was that they thought it was weird that Data somehow predicted his eventual daughter's physical appearance, and they thought that Kurtzman wouldn't follow through on that. But Kurtzman already did. He said (suggested?) that Bruce Maddox (a Data fanboy) created the daughters, and that Maddox patterned their physical appearances off of a painting that Data had once drawn, which Data had named "Daughter". Data didn't predict his positron-clones (or whatever the heck is going on). Data just drew a painting (likely based on Lal), and mad science decided to turn that dead robot's fantasy into a reality.
My brother has seen pretty much every episode of Star Trek, from TOS to TNG and DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise, and even a couple of the Animated Series episodes, as well as all of the movies, all of the TOS movies, all of the TNG movies, all of the JJ movies, and I'm pretty sure he's even up-to-date on Star Trek Discovery (I bailed after the pilot). He's seen more Star Trek than I have.Not even seven minutes into this Picard review and I’m already already having issues. Nemesis was forgettable, sure, but they don’t remember Data’s sacrifice at the end? “To absent friends?” And in the clips they showed with Data kind of losing his shit and turning on the crew, the last one was Lore.
i mean the last 20 years have been pretty dire when it comes to star trekMy brother has seen pretty much every episode of Star Trek, from TOS to TNG and DS9 and Voyager and Enterprise, and even a couple of the Animated Series episodes, as well as all of the movies, all of the TOS movies, all of the TNG movies, all of the JJ movies, and I'm pretty sure he's even up-to-date on Star Trek Discovery (I bailed after the pilot). He's seen more Star Trek than I have.
We were watching Picard, and he says to me "Wait... Data's dead? When the fuck did that happen?"
And I'm like "Uhh... Star Trek Nemesis? You know, it was the big end of the movie?"
And he's like "Which one was Nemesis?"
I say "It was the last TNG one. Picard's evil Romulan clone had a super-ship, and the only way Picard was able to beat it was with ramming speed, but then the clone tried to use his ship's self-destruct, so Picard used his last transporter to beam over and start punching Romulans, and then Data remembered that he doesn't need air to breathe, so he jumped over to help Picard, and beamed Picard back, and then blew himself up instead."
And my brother's like "I literally have zero memory of any of that, but it sounds incredibly stupid."
A couple days later, we watched the RLM review, and he says "Wait... TNG and the JJ movies are the same thing now? I thought the JJ movies were a reboot?"
I laugh and I'm like "Are you fucking around with me?"
And he says "No?"
So I say "Old Spock in the JJ movies is from TNG. TNG-Romulus blew up, and Spock tried to stop it, but he accidentally made a black hole and got sucked back in time to the time of Kirk's father, which made a branch timeline where Vulcan got blowed-up instead. The JJ stuff is an alternate timeline."
And he says "I can't process this, so I won't even try."
Mike is just going to hyperbole levels with clips for laughs, like the Fistful of Data's and Lore clips. He knows.Not even seven minutes into this Picard review and I’m already already having issues. Nemesis was forgettable, sure, but they don’t remember Data’s sacrifice at the end? “To absent friends?” And in the clips they showed with Data kind of losing his shit and turning on the crew, the last one was Lore.
I mean, I get the "Data and Picard aren't friends" reel is a bit of a joke. But they're using it to bolster an already tenuous argument about Data and Picard's relationship, and people who don't know better and don't realize the context of these clips will take it as authoritative because it's well-produced. So it's still kind of dishonest, especially when there are so many clips you could use that go the other way.
That would be quite the collab.
I honestly wonder if Breen can co-exist with other directors. Like I'm sure Len and Tommy would work fine together, but I'm not sure about Breen.
I thought Tim started off slow, as he usually does, and got better the more he was drunk.
I don't think The Expanse will give them the rage that fuels them. Too damn good.