I'll bet ya $20 (paypal f/f) that it will be warmer in Florida vs New York, on that day, at that time. That's a guarantee.
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Report by IPCC: We have roughly 10 years to get climate change under control
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My comment was in regards to the fact that Brazil seems like it's gonna end up with a pro-business fascist as its president.
What point are you trying to make?
That predicting the weather is easy yet predicting the climate is somehow more difficult?
I know you keep wanting to talk about over population, but bitching about countries having high birth rates flies in the face of real time data and the fact that based on current trends global population basically tops out around 10 to 11 billion or so by 2100.
What are you trying to achieve here though?
Make a point of the fact that such a global and difficult to fully comprehend event is difficult to predict with pinpoint accuracy? Okay cool. I'm sure we can get you a price for pointing out something obvious. It doesn't matter if it happens in 10 years or maybe 15. The point is that it is happening and it's going to reach a breaking point sooner rather than later.
You're sticking your head in the sand trying to ignore and wish away the problem because the predictions aren't accurate to the minute. I totally understand the rationale behind it because shit is looking bleak and it's a lot more comforting to just not think about it. But don't try explain away the problem and try to diminish the problem with small errors in the prediction. We need all hands on deck and rather than trying to discourage people from taking action.
2100 is the time when we will already experience massive fallout from climate change. Mass starvation, mass extinction from plants and animals, extreme weather etc.
The point of getting overpopulation in check is preventing all this.
I'd be careful. A couple of weeks ago it was warmer in Minneapolis than Miami.
If this information is accurate and we really are limited to 10 years then we are doomed. There are just too many morons in the world that believe climate change is a hoax. We would need a worldwide revolution in order to compensate.
Complaining about over population when trying to solve the issue of climate change is literally ignoring the main cause of climate change and who consumed the vast majority of the carbon budget the last 50 years and got us into this mess.
Population control would do nothing to prevent or curb dangerous climate change, advocating for it is beyond uneducated and ignorant.
https://www.vox.com/the-big-idea/20...rated-concern-climate-change-world-population
Population growth is one of the least impactful causes of emission growth.
In fact, you could literally make an argument that if you want to curb climate change, you want people to keep pumping out babies. Nations with higher birth rates are often less developed and consume far less and have lower economic output, lowering their carbon output.
Complaining about population ignores the low growth rate of the US and the fact the US has the highest GDP/Carbon output in the world.
We're not limited to 10 years, 2030 was always a target for emission cuts for 1.5c targets.
Until November?
We deserve what ever is coming our way. Too many dumb ignorant selfish humans on this planet...I hope they are first to go but likely it'll be poor innocent people.
It's terrifying and humanity needs to wake the fuck up or it's game over for us all. Unfortunately, most people won't wanna do something until it affects them directly in their day to day life. Until then they can just stick their head under the sand. By the time they think "oh shit we need to do something!" it'll be far faaar too late.
It's terrifying and humanity needs to wake the fuck up or it's game over for us all. Unfortunately, most people won't wanna do something until it affects them directly in their day to day life. Until then they can just stick their head under the sand. By the time they think "oh shit we need to do something!" it'll be far faaar too late.
That was solved due to the fact that countries took concrete steps to prevent it. And guess what: we aren't doing shit to prevent climate change, and as long as we have capitalism we will burn every single last tree if we could make a buck doing so.
This.
Even a full Democratic suite in government would probably only take us 20% of the way we need to go. Better than the - 20% of the way Republicans would take us, but not nearly far enough.
Americans really need a super hurricane to basically wipe away half the country before we realize our way of living is both unsustainable and contributing to these "freak" weather events.
We were fucked since man-made climate change was discovered. It's just the solution keeps getting harder and harder.
At first it was, "reduce carbon emissions caused by coal and fossil fuels" and governments around the world were like "Nah, it will cost money".
Now the solution is, "turn the world economy on its head in 10 years" and everyone is like, "Now hold on a second I thought I had more time. Can we just postpone this for after I'm dead?".
That video was great and it reminded me that this exists, telling me that we've know about this since around the time my dad was born.
It wicked saddens me that we have these terrible problems that'll cripple or kill current and future generations of people and nothing was ever done about it so that never happens.
Sorry but this isn't a good article. It not only ignores the negative influences of overpopulation on other factors than climate change (hint: we are destroying the environment in many different ways) but also the changing dynamics of first and developing world. Just because the US consumed the most ressources the last 50 years doesn't mean it will do so the next.
The developing world has a growing middle class that wants to live a first world lifestyle which means they are going to consume more and more ressources in the future.
If you want to move to a place that is a "safe heaven" from climate change, the US/Canada is basically one of the best targets due to the little risk of migration crises and plethora of natural resources.
So your issue isn't with population growth, it's with consumption rates.
Probs both. Lesss bone splitting cold, more violent precipitation.
Basically any type of temperate climate would be a good place in a first world country that isn't beach side property.
It's still the same situation, if not worse, it's just now we're approaching the end line.
Alright. Well unless the Blizzards frequently dump meters of snow a day it's probably manageable. So long as there's still water in the lakes.
As things get worse and worse, the poorest of people will die by the millions, and when they try to stop dying, racist Americans will get annoyed and will vote in someone who doesn't believe in climate change again.
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every high level fossil fuel company executive from the last 40 years should be lined up against a wall and shot
they knew and they've been suppressing it
they knew and they've been suppressing it
We let it happen though. I agree those people suck, but still.
Everyone let it happen to be frank. Everyone in the west has a lifestyle that's been steering us to this point. Bigger cars, More travel consuming food from afar that requires a ton of water to produce and causes lots of polution to point out some of the things.
But you can't expect anyone to willingly change their life style to one ascetic enough to actually prevent this.
I'm not optimistic. Especially when modern feel good capitalism tries to sell the dream that individuals can have effect on climate change. Government has to come down hard on the issues and just get this shit under control, no matter what the voters will say... But that wont happen, so we will fry to death.
Listen to scientists, protest, stop being selfish. It's too easy to point at a few people as the guilty ones. We all did this.
All of us in this thread are listening to scientists and it doesn't matter because nobody with the ability to do anything is doing anything.
Chances are people here are eating at mcdonalds, drinking coka-cola and driving around in a gas guzzling car using a lot of electric power on all the gadgets in their home that maybe comes from a coal power plant.
Using a car, using electricity, and living in a home are all essential to survive in the modern world. This isn't something that can realistically be avoided by making different choices on the individual level.
Okay, but did you ever leave your house to try and change anything? I personally didn't.
Because it's not something that can be changed by leaving your house and building an anti-global warming machine at the shop.
individual choices basically don't matter. we have a huge systemic problem because it's been enormously profitable to a very small number of people in power.
if carbon-free emissions had somehow been worth more money we wouldn't be in this position, no matter what any individual consumer decided to do.
if carbon-free emissions had somehow been worth more money we wouldn't be in this position, no matter what any individual consumer decided to do.