People are using CTE as a possible cause or reason for his actions, not to justify them.
Do you know the difference?
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Report: Former NFL player Phillip Adams kills 5 in South Carolina including 2 children and then killed himself
- Thread starter Coyote Starrk
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Do you know the difference?
"Someone got drunk and drove and plowed into a bus killing a bunch of kids"
"Oh so because they were drunk that makes it okay!?!?"
Literally the same stupid logic
Prevent it 100%? Yes. But they could do things to help mitigate the likelihood of it like mandating safer helmets (which they have but don't force players to wear), actually punish shots to the head (like in college where they can be ejected) and actually calling penalties when offensive players lead with the crown. These are all things they have at their disposal, but refuse to enforce for whatever reason. Not perfect, but at least it helps.
The deaths of the Doctor and Wife were terrible is what he meant.
Well, people are addressing potential causes of a person snapping. That cause being brain damage from football. I don't think anybody is justifying a mass murderer or absolving him, man.
Sickening. Killing a doctor is already terrible. Killing his wife and grandkids too is just evil.
I get that this guy is in shock, but no. You can't call a quadruple murderer a "good kid" who "didn't bother anyone." Like it just isn't true.
I get that this guy is in shock, but no. You can't call a quadruple murderer a "good kid" who "didn't bother anyone." Like it just isn't true.
The thing is, a lot of those things are not the most likely contributor to CTE. "Safe" tackles are also very dangerous. Every time the Offensive and Defensive lines line up and smash into each other, on every play, is also dangerous. In many ways, the subconcussyve hits are more dangerous than guys just being laid out with concussions because they stay in the game and continue to take them. Its the same issue with boxing. Going 12 rounds and getting continually punched in the head is more dangerous long term than getting brutally knocked out cold. It doesn't even have to be direct blows to the head. The whiplash effect from two giant men crashing into each other can also lead to CTE. Its simply an inherently dangerous activity for the human brain and body.
its pretty hard to believe it didn't play a part
BU Researchers Find CTE in 99% of Former NFL Players Studied
BU researchers find Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), a degenerative brain disease involving tau protein, in 99% of former NFL players studied.
www.bu.edu
We can't test people that are alive yet
Two documented* concussions.
People still know so little and understand so little of how concussions and brain trauma in general really works.
Any impact, anything that causes that *white flash* - if you've played an impact sport you know what I'm talking about - is your brain getting rattled inside your skull.
Doesn't excuse his actions. It does however put the onus on NFL to take better care of their alumni.
respectfully, someone's that's suffered many undocumented concussions.
People still know so little and understand so little of how concussions and brain trauma in general really works.
Any impact, anything that causes that *white flash* - if you've played an impact sport you know what I'm talking about - is your brain getting rattled inside your skull.
Doesn't excuse his actions. It does however put the onus on NFL to take better care of their alumni.
respectfully, someone's that's suffered many undocumented concussions.
Man, I really feel bad for the family of the victims. Losing both parents and children in one fell swoop like that. I hope the parents of those kids don't feel guilty forever, but unfortunately they probably will.
I don't know what kind of fucking monster can kill children honestly, any serious crime involving children is instantly the worst
I don't know what kind of fucking monster can kill children honestly, any serious crime involving children is instantly the worst
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Are you even reading the posts in this thread? No one is justifying anything.
Understanding the possible cause of the tragedy and the context behind it is not the same as justifying it. Your foot has been in your mouth since you got into this thread and demonstrated that you didn't understand how CTE works. You should probably take a step back because now you are just throwing around wild accusations about things literally no one brought up.
I mean the obvious answer is to end the sport, as well as hockey, soccer, MMA, boxing and every other contact sport, yet we know that isn't going to happen. So, it would seem to make a bit of sense for the NFL to actually implement some kind of safety procedures even if they aren't a main contributor would it not?
My mind went to CTE when it happened but that's just an assumption, he wouldn't be the first former NFL player to be a piece of shit. Was bad but when I saw he killed 2 children as well that just hurt. Don't care about how he was a good kid, I'm sure most parents would say that even if that wasn't the truth at all. Feel sorry for the family and friends.
This.
CTE played a part and the NFL 100% needs to be responsible for their players health care even after they are out of the league. They have the money easily. But he still pulled the trigger. The good kid stuff is just bullshit.
Nobody is justifying. Jesus, they're saying it might play a contributing role.
For optics? Sure. They've already done that with the way they've penalized certain hits that they used to highlight, or with how they remove players from the games after concussions, but honestly that does not remove the threat of CTE.
It takes a broken mind to kill children dude. So it's not an excuse. It's not a scapegoat. If it were my kids fuck him forever but also fuck the NFL for assisting with this culture of bravado and "toughness" that convinces players it can't happen to them and that getting help is some form of weakness. All so they can make more money off peoples bodies. Shit they NOT my kids and I'm still like fuck him forever.
So I get what you're saying cause yea dude killed a bunch of people including babies. It's just that type of brain injury fucks with ones ability to regulate emotions and impulse control. We can't deal with that if we don't face facts. And I'd like to prevent this from happening by facing the factors that can impact its cause.
Contact sports aren't necessarily violent. Fencing is a contact sport and it's one of the safest sports there is.
I really think tackle HS football needs to be banned. There needs to be some other type of pathway to the NFL. Because so few kids are going to make it but suffer silent damage
On the other hand, probably the NFL just shouldn't exist. The sport (including rugby in it) along with pretty much all combat sports are just inherently going to fuck you up, including your brain. (If I recall correctly there still isn't any proof helmets actually do anything profound, especially with CTE) if we truly cared about peoples health. But we should realize that like gladiators they're sacrificing their body and minds for our entertainment.
I think most people would generally still be okay since it more "silent" and "long term" and not "universal" to actually killing people.
I love football and will still watch but I really really hate and think UFC and Boxing should be banned. They're likeral blood sports. there's no way to make them safer, you literally see the swelling and blood and their incoherence after a match.
This isn't true at all. No one knows for sure how many former players have CTE, but a number of experts put it in the 10% - 40% range.
Maybe they meant to say combat as in boxing, mma, Muay Thai. and its not all combat sports but the ones where there's strikes to the head. Wrestling (olympic/HS/College kind), Sumo, Judo (I don't think you can strike the head) all seem fine
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its not even the first murder suicide in the NFL
edit: copied the wrong chefs players name after looking up the guy who killed his GF and himself. Multiple tabs with out double checking can get you
That's not what research indicates.
BU Researchers Find CTE in 99% of Former NFL Players Studied
BU researchers find Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), a degenerative brain disease involving tau protein, in 99% of former NFL players studied.
www.bu.edu
True, but this is what is what I was getting at with my comment:
Yeah. Taking out impacts to the head would be a huge factor for everybody involved. But like others have said, I'm not expecting the NFL to change anything. Business as usual.
And like gladiators in Ancient Rome, there is a extensive and systemically rooted network built into society to ensure people continue to engage in the activity.
In America's case it wasn't nefarious at the beginning, but it's perpetuation certainly is now.
People like to rest on "well, they are choosing to do this" when that's sort of like saying someone chose to pick up those cigarettes or alcohol, chose to work in the coal mine or dangerous chemical plant in their town. Chose to be a drug dealer. Society has a moral responsibility with regards to how it organizes itself and what incentives it allows to emerge and dominate. Like drugs, America is ultimately the one perpetuating the cycle and incentivizing this toxic sport. To truly make a permanent change will require a major shift in people's consumption habits or system-level interventions.
cool source like the post above me and I posted. of the brains they studied 99% had a form. and even then. getting around 1/4 of a league with the most players on a team. that's not fucking good
Those numbers go against the idea that CTE played a major part. If 99% of all NFL players have CTE, then that means CTE likely isn't a big factor, because we aren't seeing these type of acts from 99% of all NFL players.its pretty hard to believe it didn't play a part
BU Researchers Find CTE in 99% of Former NFL Players Studied
BU researchers find Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), a degenerative brain disease involving tau protein, in 99% of former NFL players studied.
We can't test people that are alive yet
BU Researchers Find CTE in 99% of Former NFL Players Studied
BU researchers find Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), a degenerative brain disease involving tau protein, in 99% of former NFL players studied.
www.bu.edu
I've seen the argument that there could be bias in brain bank donations, but it's the only study we have, we also don't see that issue with High Schoolers. Also any expert estimation would probably say as well to take it with a grain of salt, or that it might be getting higher due to game changes.
I'd also say that, we assume the bias is true, if 99% of NFL players with perceived mental issues had CTE, than it's still the same likeliness since this guy clearly had mental issues to do this. So it still seems correct to assume he had CTE
That's not what research indicates.
.BU Researchers Find CTE in 99% of Former NFL Players Studied
BU researchers find Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE), a degenerative brain disease involving tau protein, in 99% of former NFL players studied.
another thing to keep in mind is that probably a majority of players who can make it all the way to the NFL have probably been exposing their brains to trauma since the time they are like 10 years old or whatever the age cut off is for Pee Wee football.
Well obviously with America and the NFL. But combat sports and things like rugby and hockey (this is less so) are big across the world. Its a human thing not just American.
That's fair, I'm in full agreement...including the part where I don't expect them to change anything. But I really wish they would.
Ugh that's not what it says. People with dementia and cognitive impairments don't all kill people. But it increases aggressiveness, and has hidden costs that aren't visible.
Most people who have depression don't commit suicide, so using this logic, depression has no link to people committing suicide?
Or we can say that most people who drive drunk don't crash and kill others or themselves, so driving drunk is not linked to crashes that result in deaths?
I think their going to eventually fold on healthcare. But the sport isn't changing. Not until americans leave (which younger gens might do. With things like eSports, rise of soccer, streaming there's less need for football in the future but this is like 2050 or so out)
The NFL is so short-sighted with this change. It'll accelerate the time between first NFL snap and retired due to injury, which is currently one metric they've tried to argue paints them in a positive light ("the only brain damage comes from guys who played for decades").
How long before some young superstar goes on TV and ends up drooling or freaks out, due to brain damage? That'll be the death blow for the league. And they're actively making that happen sooner!
Right, a linebacker in the NFL in just 10 years experiences roughly 15,000 subconcussive blows to the head. Multiply that by 3 or so for their total lifetime career.
111 N.F.L. Brains. All But One Had C.T.E. (Published 2017)
A neuropathologist has examined the brains of 111 N.F.L. players — and 110 were found to have C.T.E., the degenerative disease linked to repeated blows to the head.
www.nytimes.com