All I know is if NYC raises tipped minimum wage to $15 like Seattle, I'm going back to way tipping was supposed to be, merit based.
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Reporter delivers food in NYC for story on apps like DoorDash, UberEats, etc...2/3 of customers did not tip
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If everyone decided to order via apps based on whether or not they can tip then the apps, and the employees you're so keen on representing, would be out of jobs. That's just the facts, like or not.
We've all worked shit jobs that pay too little, you know what you do when that happens? You look for another job.
When it comes to delivery drivers for most businesses the tip is the only way the business can afford delivery drivers in the first place.
Want them to be paid more? Get ready for that cost to be offset across the menu. You're going to pay for the service either way.
Want them to be paid more? Get ready for that cost to be offset across the menu. You're going to pay for the service either way.
You know what? I get a 30 minute lunch (sometimes 15 depending on how short my shift is). Not really much time to go get food. You know what I do? I bring my food. And bonus, it's cheaper than eating out even! And probably healthier too! You are not forced to use these services nor are you entitled to them. In fact people managed to do fine at their workplaces before these services existed. Some how they managed to get by. These services haven't even been around for that long.
If the tip is the only way they can afford it, then don't have delivery.
Then business should raise the prices if they can't afford to pay a livable wage.
Also, Uber is not some small company.
Either way shaming people into paying an extra value and hope people do that so employees can earn a living is a shitty system that makes no sense and it's not applicable to most professions and there's no reason it should be used expect so companies can profit more.
But you want delivery, right?
Because then the vast majority of places wouldn't have delivery available to you.
Amen. I still do it but it's trash. Fuck business owners. Totally have redefined the argument. Pay them a livable wage.
You're right. But culture will slowly change when they realize things have changed. Culture doesn't change overnight. Hell, I admit I live in Washington and I still tip and feel bad for not tipping. But if it becomes standard everywhere slowly things will change. Those who don't want to tip will have a stronger argument and more people will start going to their side and eventually we'll get to culture changing.
Yep, cause it's that easy. And only these jobs try to exploit their workers. How about we regulate jobs better so they can't exploit workers as easily?
Good. Then cheapskates can't pawn off the cost of some one's labor back on the person doing the service for them. Is anyone here arguing it would be cheaper for the customer if we went with living wages? You want a service, then pay fairly for it. What getting rid of tipping would do is force people who don't want to pay fairly to either do so or not take up people's time and effort for an unfair price.
Here's another thing: order directly from businesses that have their own delivery driver. Don't use apps. There will always be a delivery fee but there won't be a bullshit service fee and your driver will get their whole tip.
I could have sworn I read previously that tipping via the DoorDash app was OK as it went to the driver in addition to what the app paid them. Guess I'll tip in cash now.
Have you paid attention to the rest of this thread? Because if so, you'd already see this is not an attitude that goes over well. It's not the driver's fault how the company charges. And even if they didn't do both, they'd probably just have one larger fee. PRoviding a service has to be feasable (in other words it has to make enough money to be worth it). And one could aruge that these companies overcharge for the service they provide (since they aren't actually doing the labor but just providing an easy way to get customer and driver together) but then maybe just don't use that company cause it's overpriced.
Shit, I use these services all the time and add tip beyond the multiple other fees.
If indeed I am literally double tipping the service and not the driver, then fuck that. Never adding to that tip line again and will instead carry more cash to personally tip.
Christ that is upsetting if my tips aren't going to the individual.
If indeed I am literally double tipping the service and not the driver, then fuck that. Never adding to that tip line again and will instead carry more cash to personally tip.
Christ that is upsetting if my tips aren't going to the individual.
I never order anything more than 2 miles away and I never usually go beyond $30-$40 and I always tip $5 no matter what I paid. Delivery services are a luxury and practically every restaurant is doing it so if you want to have certain things in life you have to pay for it. With taxes, delivery service and tip, it's always upwards of $10 more than what it should be but that's the price to pay for not having to drive all the way to the place yourself.
From top to bottom running and working in a restaurant is not an easy feat so I make sure to keep that in mind when I have to pay way more than I would if I went to get it myself.
From top to bottom running and working in a restaurant is not an easy feat so I make sure to keep that in mind when I have to pay way more than I would if I went to get it myself.
Personally I'd avoid that service because to me that's theft and unethical. If they tell me I am tipping the driver... thent hat money better damn well go to the driver, I didn't pay that money to go to them. They don't deserve my money at all if they are going to practice such shitty practices. Supposedly Uber Eats doesn't do this (and some others... some article was saying Amazon Flex does this as well though).
- Yes, the main culprit is these apps not giving these workers enough social security and decent wages.
- Yes, tipping sucks.
- None of this is an excuse for being a POS and not tipping. Tip in cash to your delivery person ffs or simply don't order.
- Yes, tipping sucks.
- None of this is an excuse for being a POS and not tipping. Tip in cash to your delivery person ffs or simply don't order.
Ditto on the didn't know my money wasn't going to the driver when I too. From now on I'll not add a tip on the device and on the note section say tip on cash so they don't have to feel like they're doing it for nothing.
Edit: Also being in housing in NY it kinda tickles me pink I might have been one of the people who met this guy. Thank God I always put on pants before opening the door lol.
Edit: Also being in housing in NY it kinda tickles me pink I might have been one of the people who met this guy. Thank God I always put on pants before opening the door lol.
I had some rich dude come out of his huge house in his underwear before. Lol Dude did not give af.
then don't order. the driver isn't getting any of that money. you're punishing them because you don't agree with DD policy. that's not logical
I don't want anyone that cannot pay a living wage in business, but as that isn't the case there are at least some reasonable protections for employees that could be instituted in the meantime
Yeah we literally have people here calling other people assholes and cheap fucks (without any warnings, mind you) for not doing something that's optional. Tipping sucks, and I can't wait until it goes away.
I just slip on a pair of shorts when you open the door to avoid making someone feel uncomfortable. Only takes a few seconds and you can go back to boxers after
Good.
Fuck tips and tipping culture. I haven't used DoorDash, Uber Eats or any of those things but if I do then they won't be getting a tip.
Properly pay your workers or go out of business. I'm not going to help prop up an exploitative system.
Fuck tips and tipping culture. I haven't used DoorDash, Uber Eats or any of those things but if I do then they won't be getting a tip.
Properly pay your workers or go out of business. I'm not going to help prop up an exploitative system.
This is stupid crap that people say that makes sense when you only think about it at a surface level but completely falls apart under even the tiniest bit of scrutiny.
Because delivery companies are shitty and somehow the consumer needs to pay an additional "optional" fee or else they are a terrible person.
No, it doesn't make sense.
Haven't read the whole thread, but isn't DD's policy kinda like tipping in a restaurant?
I mean, waiters are supposed to earn minimum wage. Either through a combination of tips and wages, or just wages if they're aren't enough tips. So isn't that kinda what DD is doing? Tips go toward minimum wage and if there isn't enough it makes up the difference?
I'm not defending DD, just asking. I think the whole tipping thing is dumb. Just raise the prices and pay everyone a fair wage. That way some people aren't subsidizing everyone else.
I mean, waiters are supposed to earn minimum wage. Either through a combination of tips and wages, or just wages if they're aren't enough tips. So isn't that kinda what DD is doing? Tips go toward minimum wage and if there isn't enough it makes up the difference?
I'm not defending DD, just asking. I think the whole tipping thing is dumb. Just raise the prices and pay everyone a fair wage. That way some people aren't subsidizing everyone else.
Has anyone seen this new thing on Uber Eats where they wave the $5 delivery fee if you order from a restaurant someone else just ordered from? You "share the courier".
I have no idea how this works out. Am I screwing the driver or helping? I've been tipping of course, because I'm not an animal.
I have no idea how this works out. Am I screwing the driver or helping? I've been tipping of course, because I'm not an animal.
2/3s??? Lol. Did GrubHub for a year. It's more like 75%
And one thing to know is, much like door dash. They take tips as part of the ""minimum wage""
When Taco Bell Chick-fil-A and KFC started doing delivery that's when the local delivery area. (Mine is in the IE of California) delivery rates dropped low, and not tipppers increased!
one of the people at Chick-fil-A even encourages people order through the app which then gets subcontract out to either GrubHub or doordash, "well you don't have to tip.. we pay!" And I show them. They are they worst! From $1.50 to $2.10 a delivery. Big or small.
But to answer the question I think of the people who tip consistently will usually be people order at like regular restaurants a like an Applebee's or whatever. Fast food is hit or miss.
Rich people fucking SUCK! Had a Thanksgiving order, over$300 worth of turkey and such. Got a $2 tip. The best part? These were clearly sweaty bills, and the dude told me: "work harder and maybe you don't have to fucking work here next time." I left his sides in the driveway . I was so pissed off. Didn't care. Fuck it. And this was in a million plus dollar neighborhood. He had money but somehow found the shittiest bills..
Also warehouses like Amazon order huge orders that would be considered 'catering' and subject to a minimum upcharge. But what I found is they have supervisor's order parts and have several of us deliver like.. three taco packs each from us at Taco Bell. Then tell us 'Company can't tip, but please set this up for us' I never did. Left with security and bailed out. Had a doordash dude flip out on that order because they held a tip hostage. So proceeded to throw the food all over. He rage quit very publicly, but I don't blame him.
And one thing to know is, much like door dash. They take tips as part of the ""minimum wage""
When Taco Bell Chick-fil-A and KFC started doing delivery that's when the local delivery area. (Mine is in the IE of California) delivery rates dropped low, and not tipppers increased!
one of the people at Chick-fil-A even encourages people order through the app which then gets subcontract out to either GrubHub or doordash, "well you don't have to tip.. we pay!" And I show them. They are they worst! From $1.50 to $2.10 a delivery. Big or small.
But to answer the question I think of the people who tip consistently will usually be people order at like regular restaurants a like an Applebee's or whatever. Fast food is hit or miss.
Rich people fucking SUCK! Had a Thanksgiving order, over$300 worth of turkey and such. Got a $2 tip. The best part? These were clearly sweaty bills, and the dude told me: "work harder and maybe you don't have to fucking work here next time." I left his sides in the driveway . I was so pissed off. Didn't care. Fuck it. And this was in a million plus dollar neighborhood. He had money but somehow found the shittiest bills..
Also warehouses like Amazon order huge orders that would be considered 'catering' and subject to a minimum upcharge. But what I found is they have supervisor's order parts and have several of us deliver like.. three taco packs each from us at Taco Bell. Then tell us 'Company can't tip, but please set this up for us' I never did. Left with security and bailed out. Had a doordash dude flip out on that order because they held a tip hostage. So proceeded to throw the food all over. He rage quit very publicly, but I don't blame him.
you're correct. i do not like the compulsory tipping system either. but that's the system we are currently in and punishing service people isn't going to change it.
Where did I say I didn't tip?
But I must admit I'm not sure what the right approach is in some cases. For example the case here with uber eats drivers. At restaurants it's become somewhat obvious that tips are a risk outsourcing, true cost price obscuring service fee. In other industries it isn't clear.
Bartenders vs baristas for example seems like an arbitrary distinction. At some restaurants there's zero service. At others you order at a counter but food is brought to your table and then cleared by staff.
Standards are also moving from 15 to 18 percent as the minimum. That moves the system further against employees and consumers and more pro owner. Also, some restaurants are beginning to charge back of the kitchen fees. Another way to outsource risk and hide costs from prices even further.
In Canada, it is illegal to pay someone below minimum wage, regardless of where tips factor in. Tips are considered a gratuity, which means it is not included as part of a wage calculation. So tipping here is not viewed the same way - a standard 15% tip is applied when service is good. No tip for minimum service. This is likely why service is usually pretty "meh" in Canada vs when I travel to the US, where service is typically quite good.
However, gig jobs don't have this limitation, as there exists no employee, simply a person accepting a gig via an app. So there is no employee, and no minimum wage. Just a straight payment for that particular gig. The bigger question is, why should this be legal?
Uber, Skip, DD, etc. all side-skirt the law with these technicalities. They view their system the same way as one would view a friend doing another friend a "favour for a small fee", and then take a cut of that fee as payment for providing the means of connecting the delivery driver with the customer.
(Might be a double post but I'll answer this for the grubhub side!)
they have the same thing on the apps I've used what they do is that the minimum delivery fee is basically cut in half so say it was $3 we would get the minimum pay of like a dollar fifty to pick that up while we are waiting for another order at the restaurant.
the bad thing about it is not the fact that it pays so little but we cannot leave the restaurant until both orders are there so although sort of an understanding that you're going to get your food later the first customer doesn't realize this and we will often be late as a result and lead to more frustrating customer interactions...
Speaking of... I've had shakes thrown at me, hot garlic knots thrown at my car.. had a huge stain on for weeks. And the company only gave $20 for the 'combative experience'
Oh! Unrelated. but it also took me five times to ban this particular person who would order food and show up with nothing but a robe and his dick hanging out. I was basically on the line with a female driver who just got flashed by this dude and it was when we threatened to call the police on the dude and report them (doordash) for not doing anything that they finally banned the dude. She ended up filing a complaint and quitting that, as it was her first week
I seriously don't understand people answering the door in their underwear.
Not too long ago I took a pizza delivery to some house, guy answered the door wearing what had to have been the same tighty whities that he's been wearing for the past 20 years. So I tell him the total for his order and he tells me that he needs to grab his wallet. Turns out his wallet was in a pair of pants that were lying on the floor. What a lazy motherfucker.
Although, I guess I should be grateful that he didn't just pull a wad of cash out of his underwear. I had to deal with that situation before, and it wasn't particularly pleasant.
Jesus. I feel so bad for the driver.
Not too long ago I took a pizza delivery to some house, guy answered the door wearing what had to have been the same tighty whities that he's been wearing for the past 20 years. So I tell him the total for his order and he tells me that he needs to grab his wallet. Turns out his wallet was in a pair of pants that were lying on the floor. What a lazy motherfucker.
Although, I guess I should be grateful that he didn't just pull a wad of cash out of his underwear. I had to deal with that situation before, and it wasn't particularly pleasant.
Jesus. I feel so bad for the driver.