All I know is if NYC raises tipped minimum wage to $15 like Seattle, I'm going back to way tipping was supposed to be, merit based.
We've all worked shit jobs that pay too little, you know what you do when that happens? You look for another job.And you're going to make tipping non-standard by starving all the servers and delivery drivers out of jobs?
So you make a statement by hurting the smallest guy on the ladder?
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Pack your lunch if you don't want to waste your break or spend too much money.
If you can't afford to tip you can't afford to eat out.
Nowhere did I say the quoted but did offer valid reasoning for the necessity of such apps in a workplace setting. And nobody's gloating so boofuckinghoo if I triggered you by offering my perspective on the statistics shown by this topic.
If the tip is the only way they can afford it, then don't have delivery.When it comes to delivery drivers for most businesses the tip is the only way the business can afford delivery drivers in the first place.
Want them to be paid more? Get ready for that cost to be offset across the menu. You're going to pay for the service either way.
Has nothing to do with being cheap, and everything to do with it being unaffordable. It's not feasible to tip after three individual $4 fees, it's just not. Cut back on the fees and I'll gladly tip here and there.
Everyone keeps saying "go out and get your food" and that's moronic as shit because who wants to spend a fraction of their work appointed break traveling, waiting in lines, getting food, etc. That makes zero sense and all you guys' hot takes exhibit zero logic. These apps are designed for convenience whether you like it or not, and people are still going tip or not at their own discretion.
When it comes to delivery drivers for most businesses the tip is the only way the business can afford delivery drivers in the first place.
Want them to be paid more? Get ready for that cost to be offset across the menu. You're going to pay for the service either way.
But you want delivery, right?If the tip is the only way they can afford it, then don't have delivery.
Amen. I still do it but it's trash. Fuck business owners. Totally have redefined the argument. Pay them a livable wage.
This is BS, because in cities like Seattle, where service people are getting paid $15 an hour, tipping is still expected. The argument that things will change when labor laws change is based on weak foundation.
We've all worked shit jobs that pay too little, you know what you do when that happens? You look for another job.
When it comes to delivery drivers for most businesses the tip is the only way the business can afford delivery drivers in the first place.
Want them to be paid more? Get ready for that cost to be offset across the menu. You're going to pay for the service either way.
Here's another thing: order directly from businesses that have their own delivery driver. Don't use apps. There will always be a delivery fee but there won't be a bullshit service fee and your driver will get their whole tip.
Shit, I use these services all the time and add tip beyond the multiple other fees.
If indeed I am literally double tipping the service and not the driver, then fuck that. Never adding to that tip line again and will instead carry more cash to personally tip.
Christ that is upsetting if my tips aren't going to the individual.
Ditto on the didn't know my money wasn't going to the driver when I too. From now on I'll not add a tip on the device and on the note section say tip on cash so they don't have to feel like they're doing it for nothing.
Edit: Also being in housing in NY it kinda tickles me pink I might have been one of the people who met this guy. Thank God I always put on pants before opening the door lol.
then don't order. the driver isn't getting any of that money. you're punishing them because you don't agree with DD policy. that's not logical
I don't want anyone that cannot pay a living wage in business, but as that isn't the case there are at least some reasonable protections for employees that could be instituted in the meantime
American tipping values is crazy, only in America do these apps pay less to the drivers and shame people into tipping.
Yeah we literally have people here calling other people assholes and cheap fucks (without any warnings, mind you) for not doing something that's optional. Tipping sucks, and I can't wait until it goes away.American tipping values is crazy, only in America do these apps pay less to the drivers and shame people into tipping.
I just slip on a pair of shorts when you open the door to avoid making someone feel uncomfortable. Only takes a few seconds and you can go back to boxers afterWait, the underwear thing I don't really get.
Like the reason I'm ordering delivery half the time is that I don't want to get dressed.
I'll be in boxers and a t-shirt? Is that really a problem?
Anytime people are wearing bathing suits in public is it because they are treating everyone as a eunuch?
Is this sarcasm?We've all worked shit jobs that pay too little, you know what you do when that happens? You look for another job.
We've all worked shit jobs that pay too little, you know what you do when that happens? You look for another job.
im paying a delivery fee, why should I pay a tip? I dont understand.
it is. and people are commonly wrong about things.
you're correct. i do not like the compulsory tipping system either. but that's the system we are currently in and punishing service people isn't going to change it.If the drivers are not being compensated correctly then a new system is needed. They should be earning minimum wage at the very least. Are they considered employees?
wow thats some bullshit.wasn't there an article or twitter thread recently that showed GrubHub or another delivery service charges their customers something like $2 and even if the customer tipped $5 or $0, the driver still ended up with only a fraction after GH took their fees out
edit: yes this is the NYT via the verge. NYT and the verge with no paywall
Ok great. Go volunteer for a minimum wage rate increase advocacy group. Until that happens keep tipping your servers.
Haven't read the whole thread, but isn't DD's policy kinda like tipping in a restaurant?
I mean, waiters are supposed to earn minimum wage. Either through a combination of tips and wages, or just wages if they're aren't enough tips. So isn't that kinda what DD is doing? Tips go toward minimum wage and if there isn't enough it makes up the difference?
I'm not defending DD, just asking. I think the whole tipping thing is dumb. Just raise the prices and pay everyone a fair wage. That way some people aren't subsidizing everyone else.
(Might be a double post but I'll answer this for the grubhub side!)Has anyone seen this new thing on Uber Eats where they wave the $5 delivery fee if you order from a restaurant someone else just ordered from? You "share the courier".
I have no idea how this works out. Am I screwing the driver or helping? I've been tipping of course, because I'm not an animal.
Oh! Unrelated. but it also took me five times to ban this particular person who would order food and show up with nothing but a robe and his dick hanging out. I was basically on the line with a female driver who just got flashed by this dude and it was when we threatened to call the police on the dude and report them (doordash) for not doing anything that they finally banned the dude. She ended up filing a complaint and quitting that, as it was her first week