So has anybody confirmed if this demo is this is the same build as the E3 demo? Because lord almighty if it is.
That's how the original worked. Doubt it will be any different.
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Resident Evil 2 Demo Impressions Thread [Demo Spoilers Only]
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It is, just like classic RE.
In the full game there will almost certainly be files you can find to learn the codes to the lockers.
I'm moving constantly between getting this game at launch/near launch for the XB1X or getting it in a few months time for PC. I'd have made my decision by now if only there wasn't that damned blur on the X version. I don't want a game that actively blurs out details in the environment for seemingly no reason at all.
None of you made any compelling arguments for this assbackwards shit coming back.
I didn't like the demo, so I didn't bother.
I didn't like the demo, so I didn't bother.
Personally there was nothing scary about this demo. You're so much more agile than the slow-ass zombies that they're just a total chore to fight through.
Definitely seems there maybe is a critical chance? Sometimes it took 4-5 bullets to the head to kill. A few times they went down in 2. Never had a one shot though.
They randomized bullet damage? Are you sure? Why not randomize enemy health instead??
Because it's a fucking Resident Evil 2 remake?
There's a reason save rooms and item boxes exist
Inventory management and needing to decide if/what you should sacrifice for a certain route? Just because it's older or because newer games do things differently doesn't mean the design is outdated, bad, or backwards.
That's why you run past them instead of constantly standing and fighting.
Randomized bullet damage decreases the reliability of a kill for a given weapon
Randomized health decreases the reliability of a kill for a given enemy
In games where certain, scarce weapons are supposed to have significant specific advantages randomizing damage makes a lot more sense than randomizing health -- imagine one gun that does 1-5 damage, one gun that does 2-5, and an enemy with 4 health --- the first gun could take between 1 and 4 shots to kill the enemy, the second, between 1-2.
In the original they did both. I would assume it's the same for the remake.
EDIT: Actually nevermind, enemy health was fixed. I was reading the chart wrong.
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What the hell was that....
I had no expectations going into this and came away just blown away.
-The encounter design is just incredible. Many many horror games make it clear that when you press this button or pick up this item you're going to wake the enemies. But in RE2 it is far less predictable and it feels like the zombies are acting on their own and wandering aimlessly. It's never clear when the sleeping zombies will wake up and you always feel like you are trying to weigh whether or not to engage now or later. Just hearing the groans and having no idea where it's coming from is thrilling as you frantically spin around with your flash light looking for them.
-I was EXPLORING! Lots of locked doors, surprisingly unlocked doors, and so many other nooks and crannies. I actually needed to look at the map which felt so weirdly refreshing. I never realized how open these games were now that I am seeing how everything ties together with no loading.
-Running away felt like it was encouraged. Very very few games are willing to overwhelm the player and this one felt like it was doing it constantly. In older games running always felt like I was gaming the system since you kind of bump into the enemy as you run past them, but in this there were clear opportunities to use the environment to get around them if you were smart about it. But everytime you run you just know it's gonna bite you in the ass later since you are just delaying the inevitable encounter.
This game is going to be great. And Capcom is insane if they aren't considering a Dino Crisis in the same vein as this.
I had no expectations going into this and came away just blown away.
-The encounter design is just incredible. Many many horror games make it clear that when you press this button or pick up this item you're going to wake the enemies. But in RE2 it is far less predictable and it feels like the zombies are acting on their own and wandering aimlessly. It's never clear when the sleeping zombies will wake up and you always feel like you are trying to weigh whether or not to engage now or later. Just hearing the groans and having no idea where it's coming from is thrilling as you frantically spin around with your flash light looking for them.
-I was EXPLORING! Lots of locked doors, surprisingly unlocked doors, and so many other nooks and crannies. I actually needed to look at the map which felt so weirdly refreshing. I never realized how open these games were now that I am seeing how everything ties together with no loading.
-Running away felt like it was encouraged. Very very few games are willing to overwhelm the player and this one felt like it was doing it constantly. In older games running always felt like I was gaming the system since you kind of bump into the enemy as you run past them, but in this there were clear opportunities to use the environment to get around them if you were smart about it. But everytime you run you just know it's gonna bite you in the ass later since you are just delaying the inevitable encounter.
This game is going to be great. And Capcom is insane if they aren't considering a Dino Crisis in the same vein as this.
I saw a comment on a video somewhere saying that the old REs are basically adventure games with zombies. That's the kind of thing people miss and why people are excited to see it back here. Weird item limits and stupidly arcane puzzle solutions. It's what I miss from old RE anyway. Action RE has been hopelessly supplanted by stuff like Gears of War anyway.
It is outdated, but RE treats it like a mini-puzzle game. The originals were made in a way where prioritizing was needed and it did somewhat work. Speedrunners found the optimal paths to take/when to pick up/when to store/etc.
Now an argument could be made if you're doing a full remake, you bring everything up to 2019 standards, but I think most fans are wanting all of the iconic things of the originals kept in. For the most part.
REmake still had inventory management/item box/typewriters. Most games these days you can save whenever, but the classic RE's had you needing to get to a typewriter.
It's why I'll take 3rd person in this, because of the original, but I really hope RE8 is FP. It's probably not helping I feel something is seriously off with the movement of Leon.
lol. How would being able to pick up everything you want enhance the game? There would be no planning, backtracking, or tension around limited resources and it wouldn't maximize the map space because you wouldn't have to make tough choices. I'm unsure what sort of game you want this to be. How does having to choose between bringing health, ammo, puzzle items, and other supply items as you travel through dark corridors filled with enemies you have strategically decided to kill, maim, or avoid—and not just being able to bring all of it—not sound like it would enhance the tension and strategy?
I think you just want it to be an action game, which is fine, but this ain't it.
So firing multiple shots at the head until they die is the wrong way to play for each zombie you come across? That's what I did because I didn't want to get ganged up on.
I'm so happy that all cinematics seem to be skippable. Going through RE7 multiple times without that feature was a bummer.
You can do that but you will run out of ammo fast if you play that way, and zombies are only the start of the horror's that await you and you are gonna need some of that ammo for the bigger enemies.
Eh to be fair, if you're using your pistol on said bigger enemies then you're probably fucked anyway.
That's where I'm at. I hate the blurring on X, but the Pro is noisy, has aliasing, messed up SSR and worse performance. I wish they'd offer an AA choice in game. As it stands I'd take the aliasing of the Pro over X, but the other negatives make it tricky.
You just explained why it's not outdated. If a game decides to treat inventory management and exploration as an active puzzle, then this kind of design works wonderfully
It's like saying that the Baldurs Gate-style dialogue choice lists are outdated because dialogue wheels are a thing now. The former allows for mechanics and design that the latter can't do, and depending on the design, works better
If something is outdated, then it implies that the newer systems and designs are superior and replace the functions of the old. But that's not often the case with game design; often older approaches allow for design/mechanical opportunities that the newer, more popular ones don't
I suppose it's best to just get the game after launch when the Digital Foundry video is out. There's been no answer as to what build this is or whether things will change in the final game so it can go either way.
Well every bit of ammo counts and if you run out of bigger ammo and have to resort to the pistol, it could save you, if you don't plan things very well.
Also shotgun blasts aren't 100% guaranteed to kill a zombie if your aim is a little off or fire too early, so wasting shotgun shells is even worse.
When we're down the levels of literal keys taking up the same inventory space as larger items then I'd say there is an argument to be made. Other games might have a separate container for keys where they don't take up space.
RE's approach is EVERYTHING has to be managed, whereas a more modern balance could be achieved.
Am opposite, I've never played a RE game because I'm a wuss. But, now that I'm older this type of horror doesn't scare me that much so I'm ready for it. Now, PT is fucking terrifying.
You could design logic that randomizes health instead of hit damage that would result in the same situation, or still be virtually indistinguishable to the player. I don't know. Random damage feels like something from RPG, this being more of an action game, i didn't expect them to do it the same way.
Tomaytos tomahtos i guess.
It could be achieved but they are staying true to the original game and the puzzle elements of the originals. This isn't just a full on action game, the puzzle elements are still very much at the core of this remake.
I think you need a new account to be able to play it again .
Stand still and wait then the cross hair will become s aller and you can kill them much faster.
Tense pressure and foreboding atmosphere, rather than unease and dread
Isn't that kind of the line between survival-horror (RE) and horror (PT)? Is RE2 even actually trying to "scare" us or just make us feel overwhelmed and tense?
I'm actually a really big fan of the original RE style inventory system, and considering that this lets you increase your inventory space (and possibly significantly, if the way the menu is laid out), I'm fine with key items taking up a spot or two.
Demo pretty much shot the game up to one of my most anticipated games yet. I almost don't want to try it on PC right away because of the 30 minute time limit, lol.
Demo pretty much shot the game up to one of my most anticipated games yet. I almost don't want to try it on PC right away because of the 30 minute time limit, lol.
The player maybe wouldn't be able to like, guess the damage spread of each weapon, but it would absolutely feel different. Another illustrative common case is under random weapon damage a common scenario is like, two weapons where their minimum damages _together_ guarantee a kill on an enemy, so the player can always switch from the stronger weapon to the weaker weapon if the stronger weapon doesnt kill on the first hit and gaurantee a finish. With random health, those relationships between weapons become much blurrier.
To be fair it's not as bad as RE6. But yeah, movement and shooting aren't great. And I'm genuinely surprised that some people find this game scary or tense. The atmosphere just doesn't work for me. It's too bright and sound design isn't great...
Fuck. I had that feeling too. And that's not a good thing...
