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Respawn CEO: Sticking to seasonal updates better for Apex Legends devs
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Thank you...
It's going to hurt a lot of people chasing that model.
Destiny 2 is impossible to keep up with if you play other games now. It's one of the many things killing my love of the game. I miss D1's sporadic milestone content drops that would get me playing the game obsessively for short bursts, spread out over the year.
Hell, there were days when I considered a map pack for Halo 3 to be a huge event. I hate continuous content. Let me fucking breathe for a minute. Give me time enough to actually build anticipation for new stuff.
This shit isn't just bad for devs, it actively exhausts me as a player.
I'm alright with this as long as Season 2's battlepass is more interesting than Season 1's. That level 100 havoc skin is nice and all, but unless I play for 3-4 hours every day for the rest of the season there's no way I'm going to make it.
Part of the problem with Apex isn't necessarily the lack of big huge change-the-game updates, but how the entire unlock and pass system leaves the userbase feeling absolutely cold and has turned away a hell of a lot of casuals.
Its possible to play the game for 100's of hours and not have one legendary skin out of unlocks, only terrible voice quips or animated banner gifs instead. Then after playing for hours, watch a little red bar go up by a 1/6th and experience no Bar-Going-Up endorphins getting released at all. If you have the other problem and have brute forced your way through the entire bar and got to the end of the Season Pass already, there is no actual way to earn any more cosmetics at all.
The Unlock system is broken at both ends, and it doesn't take a gigantic seasonal update to fix that. It requires whoever is in charge of that side to admit they got it wrong and change the rates, add extra incentives to winning matches, and keep the game a fluidly rewarding mechanism and keep players on the hook. Respawn keeps struggling with this time and time again and it's gotten old.
Its possible to play the game for 100's of hours and not have one legendary skin out of unlocks, only terrible voice quips or animated banner gifs instead. Then after playing for hours, watch a little red bar go up by a 1/6th and experience no Bar-Going-Up endorphins getting released at all. If you have the other problem and have brute forced your way through the entire bar and got to the end of the Season Pass already, there is no actual way to earn any more cosmetics at all.
The Unlock system is broken at both ends, and it doesn't take a gigantic seasonal update to fix that. It requires whoever is in charge of that side to admit they got it wrong and change the rates, add extra incentives to winning matches, and keep the game a fluidly rewarding mechanism and keep players on the hook. Respawn keeps struggling with this time and time again and it's gotten old.
You don't need to be more popular than Fortnite to be relevant. A ton of people are still playing Apex. Same goes for Blackout and PUBG.
This kind of comment doesn't help either. Reactive hiring surges have a high risk of being unsustainable and they'll just end up as part of another lay off story in a year or two. And even if they did immediately hire a lot of people, I don't believe anyone who's had an actual office job really thinks new employees actually start contributing much for the first 3-6 months.
Who the fuck wants weekly updates? That sounds insane. I like when team fortress would do an update every 6 months or so, that way you aren't dealing with a constantly changing meta and can actually figure out what works and what doesn't before it all changes again.
Yep and the same people will react to the firings saying why didn't ea show more restraint and foresight
Did you like vanilla D2? Bungie can't have another Destiny go almost an entire year with barely any meaningful content.
Not being facetious, how is it different than any other art or entrainment product? Movies and music all are contracted for the one project and then you move on.
If you believe you have the next mega huge hit, you higher more people to sustain it. Or divert resources from elsewhere like the FIFA loot box thing, not that that had a positive effect on Anthem.
I didn't like launch D2, but that was more about the quality of the content rather than the quantity. I did like launch D1 and I know I'm at odds with most of the community about that. I just fundamentally have a different appetite for content than most folks I guess.
I will admit that running strike playlists is more fun in D1 than D2, due to the greater number of strikes in the pool.
edit: I guess I should also specify that I played a lot of Crucible, which probably helped inoculate me from the content thirst exclusive PvE players suffered from.
I understand the frustration with the hardcore crowd running out of "carrots" on the stick. As a filthy casual though, I am glad I can still pop in for a few games from time to time and get excited about getting Apex packs when I level up.
At the end of the day, if people are only playing for progression, they should move on to something that will reward their time. For me, just playing the game with some buddies is fun and makes for memorable moments quite often. I applaud Respawn for that.
At the end of the day, if people are only playing for progression, they should move on to something that will reward their time. For me, just playing the game with some buddies is fun and makes for memorable moments quite often. I applaud Respawn for that.
Seriously. Crunch isn't not shouldnt be the only way to keep a steady flow of content, the fact they didn't immediately get all hands on deck for a mega hit like this is wild. I wish respawn the best they make good dames but they have a serious long term retention problem with their games.
I haven't really noticed it then, I still find games pretty quickly the 1-2 days I play a week.
Destiny 2 has such a ridiculous amount of content now that it kind of puts other games to shame. It is really amazing the turn around Bungie did with this game in just one year. Them giving Activision the bye Felicia treatment is just the cherry on top.
Moving to even more contractors is a completely backwards step for workers rights. The movie industry has unions.
On console it's fine. It will likely go free to play with MW4s launch.
As long as the game is making money, it's relevant.
The game doesn't need to be on Fortnite's level of popularity to succeed. This is like when everyone trashed any game that couldn't match WoW's numbers back in the day, even though many MMO devs were more than happy with the results of their sales and income that kept them going and profitable.
Yea no, you can't just magically toss money and more employees at a studio and expect it to work. There is limits to how effective a studio is, jamming it with constant new employees can have the total opposite effect on the quality of work and the workplace QoL conditions. Growth has tons of factors that affect a studio.
Honestly I don't know how they make it through the whole week without losing interest. /s
People acting like Apex suddenly turned into a bad game because it hasn't dangled enough jingling cat toys on a stick in front of its audience. It's fine to get bored and stop playing, especially if you've put 100+ hours into it already. There's no rush to get things out the door for the gaming consumption culture to be done with in a week and demand more, it's okay to take breaks.
It does need game modes that rotate and events that shift/change. Aside from that I think its fine.
High quality assets take plenty of dev time to create, and they have multiple big projects on the go. Im sure their pipeline will get more efficient and lead to bigger and better updates as time goes on.
Epic shut down a game and severely slowed the non BR development of Fortnite when the BR side exploded. Even they are worried they put the eggs in a single basket, thus the rush to stablish EGS by hook or crook.
Respawn has a lot of other projects and has a relationship with a publisher, they can't do the same. Also since Apex came out of the left field I think they might be ahead of what EA projected they would do, so carrying on with the original plan instead of reacting to a potential short term success is probably best for their studio and the sanity of their team. The only complain I have is I would have liked the skins offered via their first season pass to look better and for less grind to level up. But I'm sure this will be rectified in the next season.
Respawn has a lot of other projects and has a relationship with a publisher, they can't do the same. Also since Apex came out of the left field I think they might be ahead of what EA projected they would do, so carrying on with the original plan instead of reacting to a potential short term success is probably best for their studio and the sanity of their team. The only complain I have is I would have liked the skins offered via their first season pass to look better and for less grind to level up. But I'm sure this will be rectified in the next season.
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The just "hire more people" crowd need to explain to me how to instantly train and transfer knowledge to new people so they instantly create content.
I appreciate their stance on respecting the people who make the actual content.
I would've been fine with the game cooking longer altogether so the first season pass was stronger. It's just not very good. But the game itself very much is, so however long it takes i hope the next one hits it out of the park.
I would've been fine with the game cooking longer altogether so the first season pass was stronger. It's just not very good. But the game itself very much is, so however long it takes i hope the next one hits it out of the park.
If their devs are living reasonable lives and not being exploited, then great. But i can only hope that's the case.
I can respect that and have no issue with the pace of the updates if it means a healthier work place and a better quality game.
The skins they are peddling are complete crap though. Most of them are just copies onto different guns. The least they can do is give us some good looking cosmetics and a better battle pass system. The current one is grindy as can be, and all the rewards suck.
The skins they are peddling are complete crap though. Most of them are just copies onto different guns. The least they can do is give us some good looking cosmetics and a better battle pass system. The current one is grindy as can be, and all the rewards suck.
Sounds good to me.
I really don't mind waiting for the next season as long as the quality is satisfying when it does come out.
I think the first season came out too close to the game's release so they didn't have time to make the stuff they wanted. I have high hopes for season 2 though, better skins, new modes and so on.
I really don't mind waiting for the next season as long as the quality is satisfying when it does come out.
I think the first season came out too close to the game's release so they didn't have time to make the stuff they wanted. I have high hopes for season 2 though, better skins, new modes and so on.
There could be a happy medium. Weekly updates are insane and not reasonable to chase that rate, but every other week or even monthly of small (a new weapon, or one revamped location) would be preferable.
I'm definitely bored of Apex. Battle Royales in general just feel really repetitive.
I'm definitely bored of Apex. Battle Royales in general just feel really repetitive.