that's what I'd expect too. it's probably too late to change things for Smash as well
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Reuben Langdon (Dante of DMC) blames sexual harassment victims; thinks MeToo and BLM"goes too far" UPDATE: Regrets nothing; Capcom never investigated
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This reminds me the discussions I have with my mother. "You must listen to me, because all opinions must be heard. Even if you don't like them."
Yeah, well... I don't want to hear your homophobic or misogynist opinion or conspiracy bullshit. You should be ashamed of yourself for even thinking that.
One man used a recreational substance that only hurts himself, the other doubled down on his long history of supporting conspiracy groups that directly lead to terrorist attacks.
Your first mistake is equating laws with morals. Of these 2 situations, one of these people is a shitty human being. The other just not following a law.
Pretty sure in most jobs if you air offensive or inappropriate views on social media you can be disciplined for it.
Capcom and other companies won't want to deal with someone so toxic who can hurt their brand with their views
Really disappointing to hear all of this. Still more confused by the Morrison thing, not sure how the hell that even happened.
But there are laws. I'm not a fan of drug laws, but that's what they are. Laws. There's actual arrest being made.
It doesn't sound like whataboutism. It is whataboutism.
As far as addressing your point, I don't think someone abusing cocaine is the same thing as someone sharing conspiracy theories and shitting on BLM and #metoo. You obviously think otherwise.
As far as having shitty opinions and the whole job thing, people are allowed to have jobs with shitty opinions and companies are allowed to dump them for those shitty opinions. Reuben's opinions are dangerous and indifferent to the sufferings of others. The Japanese dude who snorted coke is damaging himself. If you can't see the difference between the two and how drug addiction is not the same thing as sharing conspiracy theories, perhaps you should look into what he's sharing and how little he does to articulate or defend it.
And? Hundreds of thousands of Americans are in jail for non-violent marijuana possession. It's almost like humans have the capacity to interpret some laws as unjust and some comments as disgusting and make value judgments on them accordingly.
But laws are waaaay more important in the society than morals are. You go to prison because of laws but not for the morals...
I pretty much agree with all of this. But all of these are opinions while laws are lines set up by society that shouldn't be crossed.
I should probably clarify that I think all drugs should be legal. I'm not disagreeing with any opinions here.
This would be a more than acceptable resolution in my opinion. Though, I can't say I wouldn't be interested in seeing how Southworth would try to differentiate his Dante characterization from his Vergil.
So with this in mind, you would report a friend of yours to the police for abusing drugs?
Yup, that's my dad's mindset. In sum and substance: "Criticizing my opinion is the same as taking away my right to my opinion." Also, "it can't be wrong because it's an opinion"
That's what we agreed on as a society. If not people would go to prison for their morals (or rehabilitation center, or whatever).
I kinda expected Langdon would double down in his response but I didn't expect him to randomly mention 8Chan. I guess my low expectations weren't low enough.
I sincerely doubt they're going to do anything about the existing VA work, they're just going to recast and move on. Wouldn't be the first time with Dante anyway.
Absolutely not. But I don't agree with drug laws to begin with.
My question is around what is being proposed here. Should people like Rueben not hold a job now? Is that new line we are drawing?
I don't give a fuck what happens to people like Reuben. He can go walk through a tack filled field with no shoes.
Big fax, every company I worked at when I waited tables to every firm I've worked at since I got my cpa, has code of conduct policies and a good chunk of em focus on how you can't represent the company in a certain way on social media n such.
So there is plenty of value to voting with your wallet, presenting your disdain of toxic individuals, and forcing the company's hand. Because they will continue to do business as usual, since their goals are ultimately about bottom line.
Barely 70 years ago, it was illegal for women and minorities to vote. It was legal to enact various genocides that occurred in history. Legality does not indicate right or wrong.
No it's not, most of these laws were made without your input before you were even born by a group of people you don't even know and probably will never meet.
Just so you know that's literally just an opinion/ideological position that you're taking here, so you are disagreeing with opinions that are more skeptical of the moral authority that the law has in society.
Is part of the law in Japan that if you're arrested for a drug offense, all of your professional work needs to be erased?
Nobody's trying to argue in that thread that what he did was legal. They're saying that the response by Sega is unwarranted.
Once again. Nothing I'm disagreeing with. But if Capcom gets to fire someone because they have shitty opinions, shouldn't Sega have a right to fire someone for breaking the law?
What does their right to do that have to do with our speaking up against an unjust law?
Why are you trying to equate this with us speaking up about a person's bigotry?
We're not sure, but it sure is a weird thing to casually drop in there if you're not.
Again, it's not a rights issue. There isn't a petition to sue Sega for unlawfully terminating an employee.
Because I think that two threads directly contradict each other.
Who was arguing otherwise? This straw man example doesn't fly fam. When people snark about the Sega thing, they are taking a shot at Japanese companies for giving more of a shit about a workers vice (destructive tho it may be) vs hiring folks with gutter trash world views. What Sega did is perfectly fine, but similarly people's response to capcom is also perfectly fine.
Fucking Christ. WHY would you chose to die on the sword for goddamn 8chan and a Voice Actor that has decades of written and video evidence creeping on and sexually harassing 14-17 year old minors.
I'm so tired of this shit.
I'm so tired of this shit.
One is about an unjust law leading to a person being fired, the other is about a person's bigoted views.
Where specifically is the contradiction?
So where's the line then? If he sold drugs, would that equate to bad morals?
Currently there aren't any laws that would, let's say, impede people for being anti-LGBT or anti-transpeople. However, it's a moral stance to treat everyone the same regardless of their sexuality. Would you say it's more important that the law is followed and people are allowed their LGBT-phobia or transphobia?
What does 8chan have to do with any of this? Why would you ever go to bat for that?
My goodness, between this and the THQ Nordic scandal, this year's off to a terrifying start.
There's shitty opinions and then there's defending sources of radicalization.
Is anyone doing a thread with all Capcom games to boycott? And also add a tag whenever there is a Capcom game on sale?
Or was that just a one time thing?
Or was that just a one time thing?
What line?
Thinking an archaic law is unjust and supporting a person who was fired because of them and discussing a person's bigotry are not a conflict of morals.
I guess it's the year where the gaming industry wants to embrace 8chan.