There is zero evidence that people who voted for Bernie in the primary stayed home on election day any more than any previous primary challenger.
I honestly don't think Warren can win. The people that would vote for her reside on the Internet and don't wanna hear it though. I just cant see her getting the necessary voting coalition unless Trump hate is that strong. Her being a women is part of that.
Wonder what the Democrat billionaire class will do if it's Bernie? I mean, they wouldn't sabotage the nominee for personal reasons, would they?Maybe so, but they bitched and complained every step of the way. I just hope Democrats are not as negative about their own nominee this time around.
do you think that the reporting was done without the anonymous staffers' knowledge?I would bet that the original source of this story is not from either campaign.
no one has used that type of rhetoricDamage control? For a story she didn't want being public as far back as last year?
She has consistently not wanted this to be a thing. But sure, keep going "lying bitch is setting Bernie up".
No. I bet the tip for the story which led to the staffers came from outside the campaign. This type of story in truth is damaging to both campaigns.do you think that the reporting was done without the anonymous staffers' knowledge?
Maybe so, but they bitched and complained every step of the way. I just hope Democrats are not as negative about their own nominee this time around.
Wonder what the Democrat billionaire class will do if it's Bernie? I mean, they wouldn't sabotage the nominee for personal reasons, would they?
would they still be able to quote them in that case? I don't think they would. I think that either Warren leaked it and it backfired (most likely) or it was a rogue stafferNo. I bet the tip for the story which led to the staffers came from outside the campaign. This type of story in truth is damaging to both campaigns.
It was her campaign that made it go public and when asked for a statement it was her who decided to intentionally obfuscate what he actually said to insinuate the worst possible interpretation, all the while asking to "move on" so the accusation could float around out there with no further discussion on the matter. She didn't set him up, but her campaign acted poorly and her instincts were not to walk it back at first until just now when it's obviously looking like it was a poor decision.Damage control? For a story she didn't want being public as far back as last year?
She has consistently not wanted this to be a thing. But sure, keep going "lying bitch is setting Bernie up".
Damage control? For a story she didn't want being public as far back as last year?
She has consistently not wanted this to be a thing. But sure, keep going "lying bitch is setting Bernie up".
Imagine if that poster voted what would have changed.Oh they will be. Hell, I remember posters on the old site proudly claiming that they didn't vote at all, then instantly went ghost the moment they saw that Trump had won.
no as this stigma is very real in the real world so it makes no sense to try and reinforce a discussion on it. This type of story only benefits Biden or Buttigeig..maybe Steyer.would they still be able to quote them in that case? I don't think they would. I think that either Warren leaked it and it backfired (most likely) or it was a rogue staffer
I'm sorry but this is incredibly naive. If she didn't want it to be a thing, Warren could've easily thrown the leakers under the bus instead of Bernie.
I suspect the majority of people pointing out his public record are saying Bernie said something that didn't contradict his public statements while still acknowledging the reason why it is noteworthy to say that publicly in the first place. Sanders citing the type of things his public comments are pushing against could've been said in a way that Warren took personally as anattack on her instead of a critique on huge swaths of society,Through all of this I don't understand why people are so quick to use stuff Bernie has said in public as reasons why he might say something different in private. He wouldn't be the first politician to do that, especially now that he's personally running against a woman and has something to lose, and I don't get why he gets the benefit of a doubt. What has he done to earn that, verses all the other men who've said the right things when the cameras are facing them, only to prove that they're less than stellar off camera?
I was fairly frustrated with this thread until this post. This entire incident is a non issue and watching the same posters who learned nothing from their behavior at the old place in 2016 repeat themselves here is nauseating. Sanders and Warren alternate between my first and second choice and I'd even gladly vote for Biden if it came to it. Y'all need to reserve all this ire and energy for convincing/arguing with people who aren't already on your side.
Honestly I believe that he said it. I don't think he meant it in a "woman are unqualified" way. He obviously doesn't think that. I just think he sees what other people see in that there are certain people who won't come out and show out to vote for a women. Of course that's the same logic that got us stuck with Joe Biden leading....
Or his comments have been completely misrepresented. I still go back to the original article that immediately mentions identity politics after saying Bernie said a woman can't win. That is extremely telling in what Bernie was actually talking about... critiquing identity politics and saying "a woman can't win" aren't consistent and really don't make sense in the same conversation yet whoever is leaking this wants it to be known he was talking about identity politics.Wouldn't be the first time Bernie - in all his well-meaning ways - stuck his foot in his mouth.
This sounds insufferable.
It's kinda sad how people In cults doing cult like things just assume that everyone else must be the same. Reminds me so much of Trumpist Republican projection, just this time coming from the left.
I generally like Bernie but his supporters are a little culty.
I would bet that the original source of this story is not from either campaign.
How would she have thrown the leakers under the bus? By changing her story about the situation that she told them about in the first place? She specifically told everyone it wasn't a big deal and to stop talking about it. Unless you believe she's blatantly lying about the conversation, what more could she have done?I'm sorry but this is incredibly naive. If she didn't want it to be a thing, Warren could've easily thrown the leakers under the bus instead of Bernie.
This is a nothing statement. 90% of the country has been residing in the internet for a decade thanks to facebook and youtube.I honestly don't think Warren can win. The people that would vote for her reside on the Internet and don't wanna hear it though. I just cant see her getting the necessary voting coalition unless Trump hate is that strong. Her being a women is part of that.
yeah they ignored the first rule of offence in elections, get some distance from it.they should have leaked this to Amy Klobuchar, she would have come out swinging
Wouldn't be the first time Bernie - in all his well-meaning ways - stuck his foot in his mouth.
Those posts are completely accurate though. It's been an issue since before the last election and continues to be. It's only going to get worst because when bernie loses.This shit should be bannable. Any impartial moderation team would agree. But i guess this is modwhining because god forbid there is any feedback on moderation.
How would she have thrown the leakers under the bus? By changing her story about the situation that she told them about in the first place? She specifically told everyone it wasn't a big deal and to stop talking about it. Unless you believe she's blatantly lying about the conversation, what more could she have done?
I have to seriously question anyone who thinks that Warren's campaign did this on purpose as a gotcha moment looking at their response to it. Her campaign has stumbled in many places but they're not stupid enough to do this and think it could work. It reads pretty clearly to me as a some political insider trying to stir shit up just because they can. No one comes out of this looking good, not Bernie, not Warren, and certainly not the media outlets covering it. This stupid dems in disarray bullshit keeps rearing its ugly head over and over again
I suspect the majority of people pointing out his public record are saying Bernie said something that didn't contradict his public statements while still acknowledging the reason why it is noteworthy to say that publicly in the first place. Sanders citing the type of things his public comments are pushing against could've been said in a way that Warren took personally as anattack on her instead of a critique on huge swaths of society,
This shit should be bannable. Any impartial moderation team would agree. But i guess this is modwhining because god forbid there is any feedback on moderation.
All Warren had to say was "Bernie Sanders is not sexist, we disagreed over the challenges a woman might face getting elected in 2020."
There...the entire controversy is done.
This shit should be bannable. Any impartial moderation team would agree. But i guess this is modwhining because god forbid there is any feedback on moderation.