considering how scorched the Clinton campaign leaves every race it touches with the word "unity," I don't think you need to be on the defensive about this
Warren's campaign took a turn toward shittown well before this embarrassing debacle
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Reuters: “I thought a woman could win; he [Sanders] disagreed,” Warren, a U.S. senator from Massachusetts, said in a statement.
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considering how scorched the Clinton campaign leaves every race it touches with the word "unity," I don't think you need to be on the defensive about this
Warren's campaign took a turn toward shittown well before this embarrassing debacle
Recognizing that our culture is still very much broken and misogynistic among the general voting population does not make Bernie himself a misogynist
Jesus fucking christ we are fucked for 2020
Jesus fucking christ we are fucked for 2020
Hillary is straight up Proof
Not to mention everything thrown at her has been proven a lie after the fact
This is what women have to deal with on top of all the other bullshit that gets thrown at them
Bless the strength of any woman in politics. I can only imagine what it takes
The WaPo account feels infinitely more plausible to me, knowing Sanders and Warren's relationship. This is looking like a bad attempt at a hit job by Warren staffers, and I'm troubled not as much by the fact that they attempted it as how poorly it has been executed.
Yeah, I've been noticing a scary amount of similarities to Trump fans these days...
Attacking where the news comes from if it's anti-Bernie, coming up with "well what he probably meant"s, and fueling this narrative that it's the establishment trying to shut down the outsider who is gonna change everything.
it's kind of incredible so many people aren't seeing it yet.
Bernie has used the same words. Is he a moderate? It's a lazy talking point for people who dont actually want to make an argument.
He probably said something along the lines of "I don't think a female candidate could win against, specifically, the Trump campaign in 2020" which is less of a "i don't think women are qualified to run for president" stance and more of a "the trump campaign has a debate style centered around misogynistic bullying, and already trounced one of the most powerful female politicians in America and did so in part by playing to divides arising from feminism and gender" stance.
Against Romney, McCain, whoever else, yeah, absolutely Warren or Clinton or Gillibrand (not Klobuchar ever) would dominate, but against a man whose entire image is inflated masculinity? Trump will literally just accuse them of nagging because he's got nothing to lose, CNN will wag their fingers while giving him six straight weeks of airtime, and he'll coast to re-election. He inflames American sexism in ways that other candidates do not. Jeb Bush for example, would have been absolutely crushed by Clinton.
It's possible that Sanders wants Warren to run to get her message out there and move the conversation to the left, but personally doesn't believe she can win in the American political climate.
I can also see Warren vehemently disagreeing with this sentiment.
I can also see Warren vehemently disagreeing with this sentiment.
Breaking: Video from a long time ago resurface about Bernie's consistent belief about women being president.
Republicans are watching right now thinking "So he shouldn't have said it? Was that bad? Can we use this?"
I love the fact that this could be a significant controversy whereas for Trump it would just be one of many things wrong in a random tweet. And you know Trump would have said "A woman can't Be Elected President" whereas Bernie probably said something less definitive.
I love the fact that this could be a significant controversy whereas for Trump it would just be one of many things wrong in a random tweet. And you know Trump would have said "A woman can't Be Elected President" whereas Bernie probably said something less definitive.
You're comparing Trump's "grab em by the pussy!" caught on audio tape (which is completely in line with his character) vs. Bernie's unrecorded and unsubstantiated suspiciously timed completely out of character declaration of misogyny? Come on now lmao.
Whoa, Bernie was talking specifically about the 2020 Presidential Election even way back then!?!
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They said it was only temporarily closed, but it seems they never re-opened it from when they closed it yesterday.
conjecture, but might be similar moderation policy that locks threads for similar discussion to this (but which happen to develop a factual basis of context and reason) for several hours under the cover of "reports"
again strictly hypothetical: but there might be a vastly more appropriate thread for the topic of this OP's discussion that goes on to include the political contexts of why this drivel is happening :)
edit: cool it's been moved here with zero transparency or explanation makes perfect sense
Sure, if you ignore his policies.... Which are to the left of Warren
Biden to the right? Right?
Making Warren.... wait for it.... the moderate choice. She's just not pretending anymore...Weeelll I feel like the whole standing up and clapping for Trump was a dead giveaway but this recent rebranding has hopefully helped clear the air
bernie "Access Montpelier" tape leaks and it's literally just footage of him watching the little rascals he-man women haters club bit and cheering
Don't do this disingenuous stuff please. You know what Zombegoast meant, and you know exactly what the press is implying by claiming that Bernie said "a woman can't win."
It's intentionally vague to try and implicate that somehow Bernie is sexist and thinks that a woman "isn't worthy" of the presidency, when everything he has ever said indicates the exact opposite.
This. I mean do people really have that much faith in the American people to think this doesn't matter at all? Being a man is sadly still a boost when it comes to general election politics. Also I don't believe Bernie said this in how the warren campaign is portraying it. Seems pretty desperate and is only hurting the progressive movement. So i lose a little respect for warren. I guess if you're a Biden fan you'd be happy about this.
Not defending what Bernie said but why is this even newsworthy compared to all the dumb and horrible shit Trump says daily as president.
I can believe he said something like that. He probably didn't say it that eloquently. It wouldn't be the first time he's put his foot in his mouth like that. And this is going with the thought that the American people wouldn't be ready. I can also believe that would rub Warren the wrong way, it would do the same to me.
With that said, I don't believe Warren leaked this....mainly because she seemed annoyed that this got out.
With that said, I don't believe Warren leaked this....mainly because she seemed annoyed that this got out.
The fact people have responded to this thread and clearly somehow missed this is just embarrassing to read
Looking forward to the literally infinite number of threads that will exist once we enter full "he said-she said" mode and pages of discussion and information can be trashed because it makes some folks look less foolish
Going to need a little more than "he disagreed" considering Washington Post is out here saying they have a source claiming he didn't disagree. And we already have Sanders on the record saying he told Warren that Trump would use whatever he could to hurt her, not that she'd lose. Between those two things and the fact that he tried to get her to run last time around I have a hard time believing this.
Also super classy of the Warren camp to leak this and then turn around and say it's Sanders' fault Warren had to comment on a private matter (that she herself didn't keep private) specifically because he decided to defend himself.
Also super classy of the Warren camp to leak this and then turn around and say it's Sanders' fault Warren had to comment on a private matter (that she herself didn't keep private) specifically because he decided to defend himself.
How about we not try to downplay biden touching men and women as nothing more than smear to a front runner. Its gross.
why can't it still be relevant?
There are more opportunities to position yourself as a future female president now then way back then
surely america has gotten less institutionally sexist
The press has consistently quoted "... can't win in 2020." Contorting that to make it into a "Bernie is sexist" attack is just setting up a straw man to make calling it a lie and an unfair attack easier to do.
Speaking of disingenuous.
have had people on this forum compare me to trump supporters because I choose to support Bernie. Also people have called me a bernie bro, straight white male, and sexist lol.
If I were a betting person (which I am not), then I would bet that this was not Warren directly deciding to leak it, it must be one of her staff, one that believes this kind of identity-based smearing will work against Bernie at this point. There is a reason why this was not dropped a year ago, or last month, but rather one day before a debate coming up, and after the latest polls showing Bernie as no#1 in Iowa.
But once again: Bernie endorsed Hillary. He held more than three dozen rallies for her. He wanted Warren to run in 2016. He has decades of history showing that he treats women as equals.You cannot wish sexist Bernie to exist when he does not.
So this is why I lump this attack together with the rest of corporate (otherwise pro-democrat) media-s similar attacks. "Something about him makes my skin crawl / Not a pro-women candidate / Why would AOC endorse an old white guy / etc). It is part of a consistent trend, and it is clearly not working.
Nope, just noticing similar types of behaviors in the fans lately, not starting with this news story but going back a ways.
When "Corporate Dem" means anyone I haven't fallen in love with yet.
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Elizabeth Warren made this statement late last night, I created this thread since the previous one about this got locked and I saw many people saying they wanted to see direct confirmation from Warren herself regarding this issue so when I saw this Reuters article with a quote directly from Warren, I created this thread.
I am about to turn 34 and want to see a woman become POTUS in my lifetime and think it's completely fucked up that misogyny plays a significant role in why America has not had a single woman as President.
I am about to turn 34 and want to see a woman become POTUS in my lifetime and think it's completely fucked up that misogyny plays a significant role in why America has not had a single woman as President.
So nothing at all that means anything beyond your gutcheck whatabaoutism, cool