or just search youtube "the last jedi issues" and none them are racist or misogynist
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Rian Johnson on those who didn’t like TLJ because of its diversity: “Fuck them”
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or just search youtube "the last jedi issues" and none them are racist or misogynist
I'm not sure why people are saying he's 'using diversity to avoid criticism'. This question was specifically about the bigots who bristled at the movie because of the inclusion of a diverse cast, i.e. the types who make and distribute this shit:
I don't recall a single time Johnson ever suggested that literally everyone who disliked the movie was a bigot who doesn't like diversity.
I don't recall a single time Johnson ever suggested that literally everyone who disliked the movie was a bigot who doesn't like diversity.
There really isn't, you're just biased.
I'm sure most people on this website agree with Rian Johnson's comments, but it's also fair to use this thread to comment on how he utilities what is a very diverse cast. From my perspective it seems like he relegated them to subplots and for use as comic effect, particularly the ethnically diverse characters.
or just search youtube "the last jedi issues" and none them are racist or misogynist
As someone who's been on here talking about my issues with the film, that's not the case at all lol. There are plenty of legitimate issues but YouTube is a dungeon of shit
someone linked a bunch of videos on a past thread and the mods removed them because they didnt wanted signal boosting racists pieces of shit
but yeah, they dont exist at all apparently 🤷♂️
they dont exist man, we are just biased
I was curious about this so I looked up on imbd the screen time of all of the main characters in TFA. Finn has the 3rd most screen time of any actor in the movie with over 18 minutes (beaten by Luke & Rey). Rose is 4th, followed by Kylo in 5th. In TFA, Finn has the 2nd most screen time of any actor, only beaten by Rey. Finn's totally the second lead of both movies.
You're arguing with strawmen now.
99% of people who didn't like the film aren't racist pieces of shit.
he is literally in charge of one of the main plots of the movie.
but since people didnt like the conclusion of that plot, he is less than a secondary character.
True, but they don't get on the front page but through the sidebar recommendation. Me: watch one mildly political video Youtube: I hear you love far right politics
They actually do for me on the PS4 app. Although I guess I can't prove something I watched before isn't the cause
How much screen time do C3PO and R2D2 have in the Star Wars saga?
i don't think screen time is the be-all and end-all in determining main characters.
You might say it's minuscule but that minuscule group still performed a harassment campaign that pushed Kelly Marie Tran off Twitter. With that kind of influence, he shouldn't pretend that that group isn't worth addressing and pushing back against. I doubt he considers that every critique of his work is unfounded.
TLJ had plenty of problems (I still liked it for the most part though), but "diversity" was never anything to do with any of them... yet you look on Youtube and the absolute cesspool of 'Gaters and grifters out to cash in on "angry nerd man needs someone to blame" by pointing the finger at minorities and women as being the source of all Star Wars' issues is so fucking prevalent it's pathetic.
Good on Johnson for not mincing words about these assholes... but giving them a quote like this is pretty much what they live for. Guaranteed there'll be a million fucking videos about how RJ "hates SW fans" or some shit by monday.
Good on Johnson for not mincing words about these assholes... but giving them a quote like this is pretty much what they live for. Guaranteed there'll be a million fucking videos about how RJ "hates SW fans" or some shit by monday.
Who said they don't exist? You can acknowledge their existence without posting hyperbolic bullshit in a sad effort to delegitimize honest criticism.
oh I meant search front page, those suggestions are god awful. This is probably why people think it's the 99% are racist and sexist. youtube, facebook, twitter does a bad job filtering the filth but instead amplify it. If you have a video that has vanilla criticisms on TLJ and especially if that's what everyone else is saying it won't get the views but some outrageous racist and sexist video will get the eyeballs.
Hell yeah another dumpster fire TLJ thread. We're gonna have these until the heat death of the universe.
How much does Poe have? In TLJ I felt he was more like the second lead besides Rey. Tbh he's one of the better characters even though he doesn't really develop in the movie. Finn felt like a third lead. Not sure where I'd slot Luke. I don't think Finn's arc is that bad though. We'll see how they end things next month.
Finn had a million times more sexual chemistry with Poe than Rey in TFA
TFA:
Rey - 45:15
Finn - 35:25
Han - 24:45
Kylo - 23:15
BB-8 - 13:45
Poe - 8:45
Chewbacca - 8:45
Leia - 7:00
TLJ:
Rey - 33:30
Luke - 23:45
Finn - 18:45
Rose - 15:45
Kylo - 15:30
Poe - 15:15
Leia - 9:15
BB-8 - 7:45
Poe got drastically more screen time in TLJ than he got in TFA.
Those types of people thrive whether you give them ammo or not. In such a situation I think everyone should be as blunt and unapologetic as they can be in regards to how they feel. They can and do make videos based on nothing but being honest and not tiptoeing to avoid a torrent of videos goes the extra mile in actually endearing marginalized people and making them feel heard and seen.
I agree. And more creatives in his position should start calling them out like this.
This is still my issue however and basically lowered any interest I had for the series immediately because it's the same shit. The games used to be my reprieve, but they're doing that shit too.
This is still my issue however and basically lowered any interest I had for the series immediately because it's the same shit. The games used to be my reprieve, but they're doing that shit too.
The guy who lost both light saver fight s and spent the entire film trying to run away only to lie and nearly doom the resistance was a badass vs the one where he learn some to look at the bigger picture and defeats phasma, finally joining the resistance.
He is totally right. Fuck them.
It just sucks that its hard to difference for many people when its about real criticism because the 2 new introduced female characters are both terribly written characters in the movie and fans just come back at you with "oh its just because they are women".
Like who thinks Rose crashing into Finn on Crait was a great idea. I didnt mind the Rose character until that stupid move like wtf.
It just sucks that its hard to difference for many people when its about real criticism because the 2 new introduced female characters are both terribly written characters in the movie and fans just come back at you with "oh its just because they are women".
Like who thinks Rose crashing into Finn on Crait was a great idea. I didnt mind the Rose character until that stupid move like wtf.
Yeah I'd appreciate the words a lot more if any of his movies were actually diverse. The Last Jedi is the only movie he's ever made with a woman or a minority as leads and that's only because they were the main characters in the first movie too, which is made worse by the fact that even in The Last Jedi those minority characters are treated like crap.
Not so sure Rian Johnson should be given much credibility when he talks about a subject he knows nothing about.
I personally didn't like the kiss and, putting aside my Rey x Finn bias, thought that was the strangest/worst choice in the movie.
kelly marie tran was literally a johnson hire.
ffs
he revived finn right away
and gave poe more screen time.
EVERYONE GETS TREATED LIKE CRAP IN THE LAST JEDI. IT'S A MOVIE ABOUT CHARACTERS FAILING
"WHAT, THE SIDE PLOT DIDN'T END UP HAVING A POSITIVE EFFECT FOR THE HEROES, HOW USELESS!"
Is basically the main criticism of the b plot despite it contributing to the climax just as much if not MORE than teh Rey and Kylo plot. TLJ is a film about failure and learning from it, and in turn everyone ends up failing what they set out to do, and learn from that experience
-Finn fails to look at the bigger picture and starts out only caring about survival and Rey
-Poe fails to look at the bigger picture and starts out only caring about glory and to an extent his manhood
-Rey fails to look at the bigger picture and keeps trying to pass the baton, i.e., ehr lightsaber, to someone else, first Luke then Ben
-Luke fails to look at the bigger picture and downplays the value of hope and the myth of the jedi
These failures all lead to a moment of self reflection which directly affects their actions and attitude during the climax. It's almost like it's a movie specifically about character growth first and foremost. Just like ESB was. You know that movie where "nothing happened."
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I don't like TLJ and I'm able to acknowledge this question and RJ's answer aren't about me or my specific issues with the film. You've posted a statement that no one believes is true.
It's been the argument the whole time. TLJ haters are alt-right, racist, misogynist or Russian trolls.
It's just a bad movie.
Right? Straight white guys shouldn't be the ones determining what does and doesn't count as diversity.
Contrast this dude with D and D and their statements on diversity and them claiming to back out because of the fandom.
This guy is a class act. Even if you didn't like his movie, I'm glad he's the one left standing.
He doesn't have to be. The franchise should be pulling back from the idea that the only way to contribute or have a worthwhile effect on the universe is by being gifted or chosen.
While women certainly could be featured more in leading roles in big budget films, a white woman isn't exactly what I think of when I see the word diversity.
Love him, hope his trilogy is the next one.
And I agree: Fuck them.
Nice straw man you got there.
And I agree: Fuck them.
Nice straw man you got there.
Asking again: Where has this been pushed? Has Johnson or Disney put out this statement? Understand that there is a difference between genuine criticism and disingenuous critique that pretends to be legitimate. People spotting that and breaking that veneer is not the same thing as calling literally everyone who disliked the movie a bigot.
I've noticed that the narrative in SW threads has been slowly shifting to "only POC count as diversity." Just to discount the film every time someone bringsu p that it is the most diverse SW film. I've noticed those same people also CONSTANTLY downplay the effect the side plot has on the overall events of the film and what it does for the characters involved. This is coupled with a shift that the dude who
-got beat up b someone he attempted to save
-lied the entire movie
-lost both lightsaber battles he was involved with
-nearly let all the heroes not named Rey get killed just so he can save her and run away
-spent the entire movie trying to run away out of fear
was respected more in the film where his entire character arc is about how wrong he was, (because he was), how he learned to become a better person and fight for the rebellion.
A white woman as the lead in a film series that not only has always had male leads be the jedis first and foremost, but also did really gross things with the leading women:
It's also not just that, the resistance itself is much more diverse, with many women and POC in the background where in the last two trilogies they were much more absent.
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