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Oct 25, 2017
4,956
Hey it's better to actually assess things critically instead of not thinking through on the topic at all. Most of te trash posts simply said they knew he was from Breitbart so they don't need to know anything else about him.

I don't like Lewis but since this is about his impact on esports I'm going to make a value judgement based on his contributions there.

I'm sure you would also view companies not paying their employees assholes? What about tournament orngaizers not paying out their prize pools? Or how about tounrmanet organizers running events so poorly team managers have to juggle shit at the last minute in countries they aren't fluent in the language? What about players being kicked off teams with verbal promises not being honored? Or players getting black balled by in their home country because of arrangements only made verbally team managers didn't approve of how they left the team?

What about teams or 3rd parties gaming the system to rob people of their money through betting sites?

There are various degrees of being an asshole and hurting someone's financial security is more important than hurting someone's reputation and in most cases Lewis has had such incidents backfire on himself because most people understand he is an asshole.


All you are doing is suggesting you don't care how any thing gets fixed so people's lives are materially better.


Waypoint specifically has made some important contributions to the esports scene more than Lewis cares to admit. But if he wants to call out their mistakes as well as the mistakes of the other two it isn't unreasonable to take a minute and refelct on whether or not they have made more significant contributions in improving esports than Lewis did.

Is it your assertion, to be clear, that the only person who can call this out is a racist, sexist, GamerGate supporter?

The take that people don't care about these problems because they object to a bad person being given a platform is nonsense at best, justifying his behavior at worst.

I wouldn't bother giving attention to the offsite folks who spend their time trying to find posts to be outraged about.

But how else will we get an Era hot take tweet about a hot take post about the Era hot take tweets
 

Nerokis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,567
The framework of the perpetual culture war since 2014 is a latecoming offshoot and honestly a big distraction, not helped by the efforts of other, more reactionary outsiders to exploit existing social divisions and distrust as a recruitment tool.

It's a "distraction" that Lewis himself has participated in, joining Breitbart, boosting Nazis like Milo (direct quote: "Known Milo for a few years and can attest that he's the nicest guy. I think Laci would find any interview surprisingly enjoyable."), writing with a pro-GG stance.

You put his comments in the context of the classic divide between generalist media and specialized media; ignoring the above context, though, is the same as putting on blinders. His speech was a dogwhistle to the worst among us, putting a kernel of legitimate media criticism in an overall framework that will and should be heard as anti-SJW screed that promotes a reactionary idea of who should be considered credible, "us" as opposed to "them," in the first place.

Lewis has done some solid journalistic work. It's too bad he approaches journalism from such a malicious place.

(By the way, when you receive an award for your journalism and proceed to kiss the ass of the people you're supposed to be covering, it seems to me you're being very selective as to what constitutes corruption.)
 

Firima

Member
Oct 27, 2017
4,476
Richard Lewis may be a twat, but the man's done work, and that's what is being recognized here.

As soon as he started to name examples, I thought "oh is he about to bring up Ellie here or--yup, there it is." That was a bit of a shitshow (especially the comments here, wew lad).
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,956
Point out to me where I did that. You seem to be on top of things, I must have missed it.

"What the hell? The only conspiracy I see here is the one being conjured up in your head over that OT. Are some of you so threatened by impartiality that the sight of it is an attack on your morals? You do realize people are allowed opinions other than your own, right?"

1. Dismissing the notion that Lewis was engaged in a conspiracy theory
2. Suggested impartiality as something to aspire to, disregarding context
3. Suggested that Lewis' bigotry was a valid opinion, or that people being okay with his bigotry should be treated respectfully for it

If I misinterpreted, please clarify.

Richard Lewis may be a twat, but the man's done work, and that's what is being recognized here.

As soon as he started to name examples, I thought "oh is he about to bring up Ellie here or--yup, there it is." That was a bit of a shitshow (especially the comments here, wew lad).

To do wrong and to do right are not equally weighted. If you do something right, and do something that is proportionately wrong, the wrong action carries more weight than the right one. And the fact is, rewarding him for what he does right has the immediate effect of giving a pass for the things he does wrong, especially given that they are both in the same field. Like, what is the cut-off for the notion of disregarding wrongs? If Richard Lewis declared himself a white supremacist, would it be appropriate that his work be lauded?
 
Oct 26, 2017
10,499
UK
Imagine going from pointing out it was weird a Kotaku writer wasn't on the list of nominations then jumping to using your win and large platform to rant about how you're the one being pushed out of the industry by the likes of fake news Kotaku.

I also don't get how he's bitching about cancel culture, I mean he wrote for a Nazi website (on top of all the other shit) and isn't cancel, Doc's had articles written about his shitty behaviour and he's also still up there winning awards.

It's fucking insane how many people lap this up when if you think about it for a couple of seconds it's blatantly bullshit.
 

Hugare

Banned
Aug 31, 2018
1,853
Apologies also don't erase wrongdoing or bad decisions. PewDiePie apologized for his bad choices and nobody here is going to say that absolves him from sin (nor should they), so why does Kotaku's apologies have that power? Posting borderline child porn is a bad look in my opinion and people have a right to view Kotaku in a lower light because of it, regardless of the editorial addition to the piece. I'm not equating Kotaku to PewDiePie at all, of course. They're completely different situations. Kotaku has the responsibility to report the news and entertain their audience with quality content and for the most part they succeed. However, it is important to recognize their flaws instead of incessantly defending them because we like their content.

There are people who dislike Kotaku and other gaming websites and have no associations with GamerGate or any bigoted movements and they should be heard out without getting hounded on. We should be skeptical of those who have a vehement opposition to websites like Kotaku and refuse to elaborate why, perhaps because they would face infractions for doing so. However, disliking something can easily boil down to simple subjectivity and personal tastes. It's unfortunate to see this discussion become more hostile than it should have, but that is something inescapable on public Internet forums.
That's exactly what I was trying to tell Hobbes

In fact, I'll use the opportunity to use your post as a reply to him, word by word
 

Gentlemen

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,527
Did Richard Lewis write for political pieces for breitbart or was it esports/games related?
This question prompted me to look at his work. Half of it is straightforward esports coverage.

The other half is stuff like this:

It was a year where the so-called progressive left supported white people posing as black people to become celebrities, while simultaneously condemning the entirely fictitious crime of "cultural appropriation." It was a year where politicians had to apologise publicly for stating that "all lives matter" because it is racist to imply we are all equal.

It was a year that saw the media endorse the "listen and believe" ideology pushed by radical feminists that saw innocent men smeared for rapes that never occurred. Meanwhile, those same feminists crowing about "rape culture" remain tight-lipped when we have an increasing volume of rapes and sexual assaults at the hands of immigrants from predominantly Islamic countries.

So yeah he's poison.
 

Cactuar

Banned
Nov 30, 2018
5,878
I never said "you said kotaku is a trash publication," i said your mindset was that sentiment, because that's what your responses are giving off.

Again I say, do not project your poorly thought out logic and theories about my mindset onto me. Talk about what I actually said, not about the sentiment in my mindset as projected by poster Hobbes. A 'sentiment' of 'mindset' you manifested by asking for a trash article and being provided one.

I have no idea what's going on in your sentiment or mindset, but whatever it is it must be broken if you think you know what's going on in mind.


You literally quoted me saying the same thing twice.
 

BDS

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
13,845
Any time somebody complains about "games journalism" but then singles out what are basically the only websites that do any actual investigative journalism in the gaming industry, they're basically just putting on a clown mask and letting you know exactly who they are. It's barely even a dogwhistle.
 

JaseC64

Enlightened
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
11,008
Strong Island NY
Gaming industry needs to kick these people to the curve not give them recognition. Its 2019 and the people doing these things cant freaking look at the clown's history?
 

Gxgear

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
1,160
Vancouver
All I know about this guy is that he assaulted one of the all time DotA 2 pros, and that's enough for me to write him off.
 

Cactuar

Banned
Nov 30, 2018
5,878
"What the hell? The only conspiracy I see here is the one being conjured up in your head over that OT. Are some of you so threatened by impartiality that the sight of it is an attack on your morals? You do realize people are allowed opinions other than your own, right?"

1. Dismissing the notion that Lewis was engaged in a conspiracy theory
2. Suggested impartiality as something to aspire to, disregarding context
3. Suggested that Lewis' bigotry was a valid opinion, or that people being okay with his bigotry should be treated respectfully for it

If I misinterpreted, please clarify.

Wow. Did you read that much into that? Do people even have context of what they read, or do they just see words on a page and assign their own context based on whether it sounds agreeable to them?

The post was replying to a poster who accused the OP of conspiracy because the OP didn't give a full and detailed history Lewis and his life. The OP simply posted this guy got on stage and attacked publications. That's a story. OP may not have even known the full extent of this guy's history, but him winning a reward and blasting video game publications on the stage is thread worthy. If you want to ask the OP to include further context, fine. Do so as a civilized human being.

But don't accuse him of conspiracy because he didn't include it! What the fuck? There could be any number of reasons why it wasn't there, including the possibility that he just didn't even know. That irrational jump to a conclusion of 'conspiracy' regarding a very normal OP makes you look no better in your behavior than the man you seem to be so against.
 

BeaconofTruth

Member
Dec 30, 2017
3,427
What hit pieces? Oh no, they called out Ninja for not wanting to stream with women (women are scary because it's the 1800's & they now have opinions & want to vote, can't have that)
Fuck this guy.
Ninja isn't esports (anymore, given Lewis would be making more comments on his halo playing days), he is a streamer. Different.

unless this award show also does streamers (which why?), I don't actually think that falls into what he is dogging the other journos for.

He is trash for other reasons.
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,550
I wouldnt say "problematic", because hell, they are websites. If you dont want to read their pieces, dont go there.

I would just say that over the years, I have disagreed with them in many things.
Some reviews and article from Polygon were laughably bad (Doom's review and that Mario Kart pizza chart comes to mind)
I just read the Doom review. I disagree with the level of umbrage taken with issues in the game, but not the actual issues (other than the boss fights, which I thought were pretty awesome and among the best in first person shooters). The game does stretch on just a bit longer than the content is fresh for, the level design does too often lock off backtracking (Which is why Foundry is so often cited as one of the best levels; it doesn't do that), and the multiplayer is pretty mediocre.

That said, the reviewer still liked the game. They were just being honest about their problems with it. Which I think should be the point of a review, not parroting the opinions readers want to hear.
This question prompted me to look at his work. Half of it is straightforward esports coverage.

The other half is stuff like this:

So yeah he's poison.
Jesus Christ.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,956
Wow. Did you read that much into that? Do people even have context of what they read, or do they just see words on a page and assign their own context based on whether it sounds agreeable to them?

The post was replying to a poster who accused the OP of conspiracy because the OP didn't give a full and detailed history Lewis and his life. The OP simply posted this guy got on stage and attacked publications. That's a story. OP may not have even known the full extent of this guy's history, but him winning a reward and blasting video game publications on the stage is thread worthy. If you want to ask the OP to include further context, fine. Do so as a civilized human being.

But don't accuse him of conspiracy because he didn't include it! What the fuck? There could be any number of reasons why it wasn't there, including the possibility that he just didn't even know. That irrational jump to a conclusion of 'conspiracy' regarding a very normal OP makes you look no better in your behavior than the man you seem to be so against.

Criticizing the OP for posting the thread as he did is a better thing than strangling someone, being anti-refugee, being pro-GamerGate, writing for Breitbart, talking about fucking someone's wife, being anti-feminist, and a whole lot more. It's not even a competition.
 

Nerokis

Member
Oct 25, 2017
5,567
Kotaku, Polygon, Waypoint: bad

Milo Yiannopoulos: good



this is the person gatekeeping who's actually part of "our" industry, and I find that to be a problem
 

Toxi

The Fallen
Oct 27, 2017
17,550
"We had two staff members who witnessed the altercation between Richard Lewis and Jonathan Berg. Lewis and Kelly Milkies [Ong Xiao Wei] had been in an argument, Kelly had left the scene extremely upset and our staff were explaining to Richard Lewis how these types of yelling matches are not appropriate behaviour for our events. At this time then Jonathan Berg aggressively approached Richard Lewis and the two began to yell at one another, until Richard grabbed Jonathan's neck and began to strangle it, and then our staff intervened to end the physical confrontation."
What the actual fuck, this creep physically assaulted a pro player.

How is he accepted in any esports community?
 

zashga

Losing is fun
Member
Oct 28, 2017
4,203
Richard Lewis is a scumbag. He's a huge asshole with reactionary views, and it's no coincidence he called out the three outlets that he did.

This question prompted me to look at his work. Half of it is straightforward esports coverage.

The other half is stuff like this:



So yeah he's poison.

Fun reminder for people who think name dropping Breitbart is somehow a smear against Lewis. He fit right in there, and that's not a compliment.
 

FormatCompatible

One Winged Slayer
Member
Oct 25, 2017
12,071
Kotaku, Polygon, Waypoint: bad

Milo Yiannopoulos: good



this is the person gatekeeping who's actually part of "our" industry, and I find that to be a problem

This fucking guy couldn't be more of a alt-right shitbag if he tried. Worked at Breitbart writing stuff about them "evil feminists", talking to fucking Ian Miles Cheong on twitter about how nice of a guy fucking Milo is. Does he also have a youtube channel where he talks about that evil Brie Larson or about the bad SJWs in gaming or something? Christ.
 

0451

Member
Oct 25, 2017
1,190
Canada
Are there specific incidents or articles he's upset about or is this your typical "mainstream media bad" statement that only appeals to people who already believe in that narrative? I ask because I'm genuinely don't know but knowing Richard Lewis, it's 99% the latter.
 

rsfour

Member
Oct 26, 2017
16,773
Regardless of what this piece of shit has done for some video games, he's done far more harm than good

rewarding him is pathetic.
 

Catvoca

Member
Oct 25, 2017
4,182
I was wondering who these people on my timeline were talking about, I see he's very clearly a piece of shit!



 

Mobyduck

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,100
Brazil
This fucking guy couldn't be more of a alt-right shitbag if he tried. Worked at Breitbart writing stuff about them "evil feminists", talking to fucking Ian Miles Cheong on twitter about how nice of a guy fucking Milo is. Does he also have a youtube channel where he talks about that evil Brie Larson or about the bad SJWs in gaming or something? Christ.
Well...
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PtM

Banned
Dec 7, 2017
3,582
Valve needs to stop allowing their tournament partners to give him and Thorin a platform.

They're both talented, knowledgeable people so they shouldn't have an issue building their audience on some shithole right-wing lunatic website.
Why should any POS site get more power?
 

Cactuar

Banned
Nov 30, 2018
5,878
Criticizing the OP for posting the thread as he did is a better thing than strangling someone, being anti-refugee, being pro-GamerGate, writing for Breitbart, talking about fucking someone's wife, being anti-feminist, and a whole lot more. It's not even a competition.

Coming at the OP in the way he did even after the OP said..

Id just like to point out I don't support what hes saying incase anyone gets that impression from my OP. Just thought it was threadworthy thats all.

Was completely uncalled for. It is clear the OP was just making a post on a news story and was rather nice and apologetic about it after accusations began getting thrown his way.

Much like the OP, I didn't know shit about this guy either until this thread. If you want the compassion and to be taken seriously when you are trying to educate someone on a person who's done the things you are accusing Lewis of doing, you have to first practice that compassion yourself, lest your entire measage gets lost due to your attitude.
 
Oct 25, 2017
4,956
Coming at the OP in the way he did even after the OP said..



Was completely uncalled for. It is clear the OP was just making a post on a news story and was rather nice and apologetic about it after accusations began getting thrown his way.

Much like the OP, I didn't know shit about this guy either until this thread. If you want the compassion and to be taken seriously when you are trying to educate someone on a person who's done the things you are accusing Lewis of doing, you have to first practice that compassion yourself, lest your entire measage gets lost due to your attitude.

I guess I do not understand what your point was to talk about people's right to have an opinion though.
 

Deleted member 4552

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,570
Half of the fgc is blocked by him on twitter.

Most of us had never heard of him prior to him blocking us.
 

Icemonk191

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,814
I've added it and understand why it should be there, but if this thread is just going to consist of "Breitbart? Fuck this guy" without any nuanced conversation on what he is talking about, I'm probably gonna request the thread closed because it doesn't amount to any productive discussion.
"Why can't we have a nuance conversation about a alt-right nazi???"
Dude fuck off, you knew exactly what you were doing when you made this thread. You wanted to promote a alt-right piece of shit and take a shot at left leaning sites. So please kindly fuck off
People out here defending a bigot who has ran queer people away from the gaming industry more than once, likes calling people mentally ill, is a GG and The Quartering supporter, threatens other journalists in the industry and believes in a conspiracy theory that Kotaku, Waypoint etc. are out to "cancel" people in esports so they can replace them with their friends.
Tell me about it. Fucking Gamers...
 

Quad Lasers

Member
Oct 26, 2017
3,542
Lmao @ Dr Disrespect standing up with a god damn headset.

Between that, the speech and the stage, there's a real powerful carny aesthetic to this whole award show.
 

Nanashrew

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
6,328
Dude has stalked people in esports, gotten into altercations with people in esports, driven LGBTQ+ people out of esports, has a majority of the FGC blocked, and much more. He is undeserving of such an award. He is a straight up bigot and a piece of shit alt-righter.
 

demondance

Member
Oct 27, 2017
3,808
Hard to swallow when it veered into conspiracy theory at the end.

"They write these stuff because they want to take out some of you and replace them with their cronies".

I dunno, maybe it has something to do with Lewis being a huge piece of shit who assaulted someone on the job? Who has a track record of fiery blowups with every scene he has ever covered?

The list of shit he's pulled, horrible paranoid things he's said about specific people, countless the threats he's made, it would be disqualifying anywhere outside of the shitty little niche he found for himself.

The dude is a total nut and clearly has connections that keep him getting work nonetheless. Seems like projection to be whining about "cronies".