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Astronut325

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In today's Daily Dooms Day News:

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This dramatic shift towards bigger and heavier cars has led to a doubling of the share of SUVs over the last decade. As a result, there are now over 200 million SUVs around the world, up from about 35 million in 2010, accounting for 60% of the increase in the global car fleet since 2010. Around 40% of annual car sales today are SUVs, compared with less than 20% a decade ago.
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This trend is universal. Today, almost half of all cars sold in the United States and one-third of the cars sold in Europe are SUVs. In China, SUVs are considered symbols of wealth and status.
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The impact of its rise on global emissions is nothing short of surprising. The global fleet of SUVs has seen its emissions growing by nearly 0.55 Gt CO2 during the last decade to roughly 0.7 Gt CO2. As a consequence, SUVs were the second-largest contributor to the increase in global CO2 emissions since 2010 after the power sector, but ahead of heavy industry (including iron & steel, cement, aluminium), as well as trucks and aviation.
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On average, SUVs consume about a quarter more energy than medium-size cars. As a result, global fuel economy worsened caused in part by the rising SUV demand since the beginning of the decade, even though efficiency improvements in smaller cars saved over 2 million barrels a day, and electric cars displaced less than 100,000 barrels a day.

In fact, SUVs were responsible for all of the 3.3 million barrels a day growth in oil demand from passenger cars between 2010 and 2018, while oil use from other type of cars (excluding SUVs) declined slightly.
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FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THINGS ON THIS PLANET... STOP BUYING SUVS.

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Burn my oil if old.
 
nsilvias

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literally everyone owns an suv nowadays. there's never any parking. the worse ones are the big households that literally only buy multiple suv's
 
Keyouta

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As much as I'd love an electric vehicle how am I to make it 500km to the next city without paying $100k? I bought an SUV earlier this year to have some space for me, another person or two when going to the city, or to take the dog in the back.

Plus I wanted awd so my only real choice are Subaru's for cars.
 
Kirblar

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This isn't a surprise unfortunately, they've started discontinuing smaller car lines because they're unpopular.
 
WedgeX

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People love SUVs and hybrids. And won't stop buying them. Despite them killing pedestrians more, using more gas. etc.

Cannot wait until the first person says "but they're better for snow!"

We're not going to have any snow left at this rate.
 
PurpleCopper

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I take it that people who buy SUVs have big families or live in a house in the suburbs.
Also, I thought the SUV trend died out during the late 2000s?
 
UnluckyKate

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WedgeX said:
People love SUVs and hybrids. And won't stop buying them. Despite them killing pedestrians more, using more gas. etc.

Cannot wait until the first person says "but they're better for snow!"

We're not going to have any snow left at this rate.
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there are good for the post apo sand & dirt !
 
GatsGatsby

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I fucking hate SUVs probably because the people that drive them try to drive them as if they're honda civics. Or they're completely oblivous to the smaller cars on the road like me and dont get me started on the fucking headlights.
 
ParanormalFupa

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Gas prices are going to go up for whatever reason, the crossover and suv bubble will pop when people can no longer afford or want their 7 year loans, car companies who have been heavily investing more into suv and crossover will want a hand, and the cycle will begin anew.
 

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No shit news. I've been talking with a friend about this lately, hatchbacks died and SUVs are thriving just when carbon emissions need to be cut down.
 
turbobrick

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thesoapster said:
Suburbs somewhat, family size nah.

Many of the crossovers out there have no more usable room than my car (despite getting like 10 or more less mpg). It's ridiculous.
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A lot of the smaller crossovers are actually pretty small. I looked up the specs and my Volvo wagon has more cargo room than a CR-V and Rav4

Most crossovers aren't much bigger than the hatchbacks they're based on. The large ones are just less efficient mini-vans for people who think they're too cool for mini-vans.

Sunster said:
I thought crossovers were almost as efficient as smaller cars and most people had switched to crossovers
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Some of them are close, but when multiplied by the thousands of crossovers sold it adds up. Also that's only for the small crossovers. Larger SUV's aren't close to smaller cars in efficiency.
 

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I got a Dodge Caravan am I the bad guy?

I use the shit out of that thing though, I love being able to pack it all in and go wherever.
 
RocknRola

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UnluckyKate said:
they'd be the worst. Awful traction outside of asphalt, insane gas consumption...

But yeah, who pictures themsevles racing the wasteland in a 1.2l Peugeot...
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We all know Fiat Uno's are the TRUE Mad Max vehicles. Literally indestructible.



Old VW Golfs come close too.

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It sucks, but since it became a "trend" it got to the point where even wagons (with similar room and better mileage) have been phased out or barely promoted by manufacturers. It's even more annoying when you realize that the vast majority of SUV buyers aren't even large families... like it's already been mentioned, the luxury SUV segment is a status symbol at this point...
 
Burrman

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Keyouta said:
As much as I'd love an electric vehicle how am I to make it 500km to the next city without paying $100k? I bought an SUV earlier this year to have some space for me, another person or two when going to the city, or to take the dog in the back.

Plus I wanted awd so my only real choice are Subaru's for cars.
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You can’t fit 2 people in a sedan? Is your dog a horse?
 
squeakywheel

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I have a 12 year old small crossover that still gets good mileage. I’m running it to the ground then will either buy a hybrid or EV likely over the next 2 years.
 
MajesticSoup

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There’s no point in mid size cars. Like why would anyone get a Camry over a rav4, or an accord over a crv.
 
turbobrick

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Burrman said:
You can’t fit 2 people in a sedan? Is your dog a horse?
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Seriously. The problem is people don't even consider them and just assume its too small. Even a small hatchback with the seats folded down can carry a lot in the back.

When I was growing up our family car was a Toyota Corolla hatchback. Space was never an issue.
 
ry-dog

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They need to be banned in New Zealand cities, but no government would ever have the guts to do that. Instead they’ll just build more roads and more cars parks, all while pretending a average vehicle occupancy rate of 1.3 is okay. Invest in public transport, offer cheap fares and tax city commuters.

I honestly think democracy is climate changes worst enemy, people want something done, but no one is willing to sacrifice anything to achieve it.
 
Hollywood Duo

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My CRV gets 32 MPG. I tried having a small car with a family but it doesn’t work unless we use multiple cars which seems exponentially worse.
 
Teh_Lurv

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PurpleCopper said:
I take it that people who buy SUVs have big families or live in a house in the suburbs.
Also, I thought the SUV trend died out during the late 2000s?
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According to this article, the big driving force in SUV adoption in the US is because they're easier to get in/out of:

Don’t get it twisted. The real reason SUVs and crossovers are performing so well isn’t as much about cargo space, all-wheel drive for bad weather or our desire to own vehicles that project an image of rugged, outdoorsy individuality: it’s just that for an aging and increasingly unfit population, they’re just easier to get in and out of.
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jalopnik.com

The Real Reason All These Crossovers Are Selling Like Crazy

The real reason SUVs and crossovers are performing so well, Americans can barely afford new cars, Faraday Future is still a mess and more today on The Morning Shift for Monday, Oct. 8, 2018.
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DrForester

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WedgeX said:
People love SUVs and hybrids. And won't stop buying them. Despite them killing pedestrians more, using more gas. etc.

Cannot wait until the first person says "but they're better for snow!"

We're not going to have any snow left at this rate.
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I don't mind the snow defense if it's from someone who actually does see a good amount of snow in winter.
 
Hollywood Duo

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Teh_Lurv said:
According to this article, the big driving force in SUV adoption in the US is because they're easier to get in/out of:




jalopnik.com

The Real Reason All These Crossovers Are Selling Like Crazy

The real reason SUVs and crossovers are performing so well, Americans can barely afford new cars, Faraday Future is still a mess and more today on The Morning Shift for Monday, Oct. 8, 2018.
jalopnik.com jalopnik.com
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My anecdotal evidence of visiting my elderly parents in Florida supports this.
 
Burrman

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turbobrick said:
Seriously. The problem is people don't even consider them and just assume its too small. Even a small hatchback with the seats folded down can carry a lot in the back.

When I was growing up our family car was a Toyota Corolla hatchback. Space was never an issue.
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Not to call that person out but I always see people making ridiculous excuses as to why they need an SUV or a truck.
 
turbobrick

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DrForester said:
I don't mind the snow defense if it's from someone who actually does see a good amount of snow in winter.
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Cars have awd too though. Also, 2wd and snow tires out-performs awd and all-seasons.

Burrman said:
Not to call that person out but I always see people making ridiculous excuses as to why they need an SUV or a truck.
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I actually wouldn't mind as much if they would just not make up excuses, and just say they want an SUV just because its big or whatever.
 
Xiaomi

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Teh_Lurv said:
According to this article, the big driving force in SUV adoption in the US is because they're easier to get in/out of:
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Yep. The most popular reasons I hear for driving an SUV/Pickup are being easier to get in/out of and wanting to be higher above the ground. People are lazy and bending down is hard.
 
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