Next, my argument being that the entire scene is a toxic shithole. I don't want to list out every single example of how bad the metal scene is now, because honestly I'd have a novel. It's not just a few bad guys, it's the entire damn scene. If some indie rock band or punk band is accused of shitty things, the fans disown them, the label drops them etc. Look what happened to Brand New for example. Meanwhile just for existing as gay or trans in a metal band gets you death threats on a huge scale. Just for calling attention to the massive neo Nazi apologism going on now in metal gets huge defenses from the scene. They would rather protect neo nazis, homophobes, racists, bigots than see their favorite bands get called out. The only time a band actually gets disowned by the fans is when the opposite happens - when said band calls out the alt right or neo nazis. Machine Head did this, and their album sales went down dramatically, they get death threats and have to hire security, they get doxed. Take your no true Scotsman fallacy out of here because it's bullshit.
Machine Head's album had poor sales because the album had: Poor singles, reviewed poorly and was pretty terrible. As someone who doesn't mind The Blackening and Bloodstone and Diamonds, it was trash.
And what in the god damn hell are you talking about? Phil Anselmo got plenty of shit for his white power comments, he still gets shit for it, he's had to leave a few of his bands because of it.
http://www.metalinjection.net/shock...-to-move-on-without-him-in-new-apology-letter
Sure he still has his fans that don't care, as does Brand New, who had fans on their Reddit making conspiracy theories as to why the accusers accusations are lies and bullshit and still have no issue supporting to listening to the band. You can see the same thing on this very site with people hand-waving Kanye West's recent comments. You'll always have your devout fans that defend their favorite artists tooth and nail and you'll have people that just don't really care.
Where exactly is this "Massive Neo Nazi Apologism"? Because MetalSucks accused a couple bands of being Neo Nazi's? and their typicially awful comment section continued to be typically awful? Because that's a great metric for measuring a group of people that consists of millions world wide.
Here's the video interview with Gahl from Gorgoroth where he talks about being gay. Let's look at the reception.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m591K2awZi0
Nearly a million views. 3.5k likes vs 600 dislikes.
Pretty much all of the top comments are positive and dismissive of negative behavior.
The only bullshit is the nonsense you continue to perpetuate. You're taking a minority and complaining the whole scene is ruined because of it.
To be clear, I'm not saying the majority of metal fans are nazis or pedopholes - but the majority of metal fans DEFEND musicians and bands who are these things. That's unquestionable. I'd also allege the majority of bands at best, have engaged in blatant bigoted slurs in their career. Everyone from Guns & Roses to Zakk Wylde to Darkthrone has said something gross about Jews or gays. And again, that's discounting the neo nazis in bands.
Also this "you're not one of us" gatekeeping shit isn't going to work with me. It's dumb and yet another reason why the metal scene is a pile of shit.
Nobody's gatekeeping. You're being called out for making a dumb argument based on nitpicked examples. How does a majority of metal fans defend said people? Because out of maybe 5000-1000 people that read an article, 200 comment on it and out of those 200 maybe 100 defend said people. Is that how this works? It's unquestionable yet you can't actually provide any examples that would constitute as proof. Guns N Roses, Zakk Wylde and Darkthrone. None of which have all that much influence on modern metal. And it's another metric that amounts to grasping at straws. Some people have said some shitty things at some point, most of those people have later at the very least repented for said comments and have shown that they've learned from it by not repeating the mistake. So what?
Firstly, I'm not just talking about comment sections. Secondly, those sites don't have unmoderated comment sections. They actually have dedicated mods. That's actually a testimony to how bad shit is.
MetalSucks for all intents and purposes is pretty much unmoderated. They remove bots but they choose not to censor particularly deplorable content. You also fail to bring up any example of real world experiences and your entire post reeks of armchair criticisms (included with throwing around argumentative terms incorrectly)
If you read my post, I use MS as an example of a blog that called out a specific band and got doxed, raided with anti jewish slurs, sent threats, and had an attempt at being de listed from Facebook. I should also mention that I said nothing about my opinion on that site as a whole - which is that they're a blog and those guys make dick and fart jokes and aren't journalists. So not only is your comment now extremely suspicious to me that you think that's a valid response for the aforementioned abuse that the writers should get for calling out Nazi bands because of their "journalism" but I also think you don't understand what journalism is either. And unlike you, I'm drawing my conclusions from the content of your post, I'm not trying to pull some gatekeeping fallacy out of my ass because I'm triggered from having my precious and shitty scene called out for harboring nazis and pedos.
This is a conclusion you could only come to if you had a 3rd graders level of reading comprehension. MetalSucks gets a large number of comments on plenty of their articles. Majority of them are about how the writers themselves are poor journalists. Secondary to that would be slurs and insults. I've read enough of the site to know.
So let me get this straight. You're equating the actions of a few people, to an entire scene. Who I've already agreed had some shitty people. But you continue to rail on and on about gatekeeping, engage in ad hominem attacks and fail to actually back up your belief that the entire scene harbors pedophiles and nazis, the former of which you have still yet to provide evidence for and the latter of which are few and far between. But you continue to fall back on "y-you're gatekeeping" as if that's an actual argumentative point.
It has everything to do with the alt right. There are tons of direct correlations between the election of Trump and right wing populism's "race realist" identity. Trump being elected and the rise of the alt right and the normalization of this behavior. It just so happens that a lot of these people love metal. What a shocker.
Homophobia, Racism, Sexual Assault, all of that existed long before the alt right, in just about every group of people. What place does race realist identity have in this argument? You're grasping at straws again.
Charles Manson watched TV, liked music and and played instruments. Wow!
you like music, watch TV. What a shocker, that two completely unrelated people can enjoy the same things. Must be because you're one in the same right?
Well I definitely try not to support developers or places etc that align with gamergate. Certainly there was a time when video games were at a critical mass in terms of toxicity, but I think most games are trying to address things like diversity, representation, etc and are trying to shave away toxicity. Let's put it this way though, I've yet to see developers who are outright nazis, pedophiles, bigots, etc that get massive defenses from the community. Even something like Kingdom Come Deliverance, which certainly does have its defenders - that's over representation. The director of the game doesn't have photos of him seig heiling or shouting "white power" etc.
What exactly are
most games actively doing to address toxicity? Not much and they don't actively go out of their way to denounce people who may like their games but also be of the unsavory sort. Wolfenstein 2 is probably the only example. Kingdom Come Deliverance's issues come from the directors alt right leaning. Interesting that you rail against the alt right and yet hand wave that specific and popular case.
Oh and funny enough - there's a huge cross section of gamer gators that are metal fans - in fact this is an ongoing thing for a while. Milo himself has talked about how metal should be more alt right, YouTube personalities who made their names as gamergators constantly putting out disgusting videos about Anita and Zoe Quinn are all huge metal dorks. What a funny coincidence
There's also a huge cross section of people that aren't gamergators that are metal fans, in fact, this has been an ongoing thing for a while. Plenty of people talk about how inclusive Metal is and can be. Plenty of people in the metal industry are fairly progressive. What a funny coincidence?
Feel free to continue to make logically bankrupt comments like these at the expense of your trash scene, I hope it all crumbles to the ground over the weight of people on the outside recognizing it as music for losers and bigots.
The only thing logically bankrupt is your argument, which is not only inconsistent and disingenuous but entirely hypocritical and without merit.
Edit: thanks to the mod that fixed the post