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Rockstar put out 6 full games last gen, and several major DLC stories. This gen they will have released RDR2 and nothing more.
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I mean, if it wasnt for rockstar, i doubt there'd have been an MP3 in the first place.
It kinda gave Max a nice closure, so.
The 2014 event was started with the firing of Leslie Benzies which triggered a lot of staff leaving. The majority of original team members from DMA/Rockstar North ended up quitting and leaving to work at other studios or to follow Leslie at his new studio. This caused a massive reshuffle at Rockstar North leading them to taking on a load of new workers who had to be trained to use Rockstars methods as well as finalising the new order at the studios.
The press only reported on Leslie Benzies being fired and the court case from that but a lot of big names at the studio left that went unnoticed.
This left Rockstar North out of action for nearly a year as only a skeleton crew were working on GTAO, a good chunk of that was recycling the cancelled Single Player DLC assets into GTAO instead.
"Project Medevil" was originally going to be the new IP after RDR2 (originally slated for an end of 2016 release) but development problems and internal conflict caused this one to be shelved, with RDR2 being delayed as well.
It was during this time that GTAO was raking in money from just a small side Dev team, to which Take-Two and Rockstar agreed to keep that as a focus whilst the other projects slowly sort themselves out.
Let's not even start about other shelved projects such as aGENT, Bully II, "Midnight Club Next", etc (though that's more 2011). The status of these games could be different now though, I cut myself off from Rockstar in 2013.
The press only reported on Leslie Benzies being fired and the court case from that but a lot of big names at the studio left that went unnoticed.
This left Rockstar North out of action for nearly a year as only a skeleton crew were working on GTAO, a good chunk of that was recycling the cancelled Single Player DLC assets into GTAO instead.
"Project Medevil" was originally going to be the new IP after RDR2 (originally slated for an end of 2016 release) but development problems and internal conflict caused this one to be shelved, with RDR2 being delayed as well.
It was during this time that GTAO was raking in money from just a small side Dev team, to which Take-Two and Rockstar agreed to keep that as a focus whilst the other projects slowly sort themselves out.
Let's not even start about other shelved projects such as aGENT, Bully II, "Midnight Club Next", etc (though that's more 2011). The status of these games could be different now though, I cut myself off from Rockstar in 2013.
Sad state of affairs....
Rockstar releasing a game every year from 1998 to 2013 seems pretty nuts to me
I'm certainly not oblivious to the game development process, and the fact that these modern games require a lot of time and money to make, but it does seem odd to me how it seems as if the output of most major AAA studios has decreased in recent years. I mean, yes, the games look better, but do they look so much better that they should be taking 30% more time to make? Doesn't seem so.
I was under the impression Rockstar had a bunch of studios for them to be able to crank out games like they did in the past. Did they all just contribute to RDR2 and GTA Online the last 4 years?
It's definitely not better for consumers.. that much is certain. There's a middle ground between putting out as many titles as they did last gen and this gen. It's been a rather pathetic output to say the least and clearly is an example of poor project management. They've made a lot of money off suckers with GTA Online, but they could have made that and a helluva lot more with 1-2 more actual games.
I don't understand the posters looking at increasing dev times and going "whatever, the games get better"
Do you not see the pattern here? Literally every studio is taking longer and longer to make games, and it isn't going to get any better next gen, in fact it's going to get worse. Studios last gen managed to make one game roughly every two years, now they might make two games during this entire generation.
I'm really not looking forward to a time when every single AAA game will take an entire console generation to release. It means we'll see a lot less risk-taking, more monetization and alot more GAAS, because no studio can survive for five years on a single-player game.
Do you not see the pattern here? Literally every studio is taking longer and longer to make games, and it isn't going to get any better next gen, in fact it's going to get worse. Studios last gen managed to make one game roughly every two years, now they might make two games during this entire generation.
I'm really not looking forward to a time when every single AAA game will take an entire console generation to release. It means we'll see a lot less risk-taking, more monetization and alot more GAAS, because no studio can survive for five years on a single-player game.
That single player dlc could have made GTA5 into an actual good GTA. The SP dlc with the casino, the alien warfare dlc, the zombies dlc.
Man fuck GTA Online and the Housers. A lot of problems come from them.
Do you guys remember where you were when The 2014 Incident happened? I sure do. It's a day that will live in my mind forever.
I have more games available to me than I can keep up with, and better/cheaper ways to access these games. It's terrific.
What you're saying, though, I agree with. Development takes time, sure, and something like Red Dead Redemption 2 isn't going to be created by doing anything less than what was done. But that image above showing the release schedule of Rockstar's games over the years just makes me sad to see, and knowing that sequels are still years, possibly a decade out at this point, really bums me out.
The longer dev cycles make sense, but they sure do bum me out.
Sad state of affairs....
I've seen this before and it still hurts. Like, I get that games take longer every gen, but when you go from at least a game a year last gen, and now you go 5 years without a new title this gen, that is some bad management. Also, it isn't like we are going to get any more announcements for this gen so it will be only one title for the whole generation.
Most developers would have shut down if they had a timeline like that. Luckily GTA Online still makes wheel barrels of money for R*.
BAD you should threadmark this. Really good info.
I am still wondering how 3D Realms keep the money flowing between Duke Nukem 3d and Duke Nukem Forever.
Not only that. On PS2 there FIVE GTAs. Three big PS2/Xbox releases and two late PSP port.
Agreed, even though I appreciated the brief laughs about THE 2014 INCIDENT in this thread.
How is less games and less variety in games "better for everyone"?
I feel like a big chunk of why their games take this long these days is their need to make everything cinematic and scripted. Imagine if each mission they made didn't need all the animations or scripted events, I feel this would have made them way less costly and thus they would take much less time to make.
There are more games coming out all the time and tons of different types of games. yeah not always from a big studio but it's not like there is a lack of games to play.
It's a bummer how much they've narrowed their focus over the last decade, but considering the amount of cash they're sitting on, it would've been irresponsible not to follow such a viable revenue stream.
They really have a lot of money after GTA5 INSANE success, so there is no ''oh AAA is expensive'' excuse for them.
In general I actually argue that's not true. But regardless it's demonstrable that studio known for quality output like R* has far less offerings this year then in the past. I still fail to see how that's good for everyone?
People are making the excuse that games cost more and take longer to make but there was only 5 years in-between GTA IV and GTA V.
GTA V was and still is an incredibly ambitious game but they still managed to release MCLA, RDR, MP3 and some smaller titles before it.
The reality is GTA Online is printing money and as a result it is still being heavily supported 6 years on to the detriment to other R* IPs.
According to Wikipedia over 2,000 employees across their studios and we had to wait 5 years for RDR2.
GTA V was and still is an incredibly ambitious game but they still managed to release MCLA, RDR, MP3 and some smaller titles before it.
The reality is GTA Online is printing money and as a result it is still being heavily supported 6 years on to the detriment to other R* IPs.
According to Wikipedia over 2,000 employees across their studios and we had to wait 5 years for RDR2.
You can argue it's not true but that doesn't mean you are right. R* still makes wonderful games if it takes them longer than so be it. I would like more R* games but they will release however they want especially if they stay at such a high quality, it's not that I am short on games to play.
Current Rockstar is a better version of current Rare, where an almost complete different, less experienced team with visions loosely similar to the original team take the name of a wizard studio which members were lots anonymous people that don't work together anymore.
They're basically moving to GAAS due to the success of GTA5. The amount of money they make from that to this day is insane so they'll have moved a huge amount of development resource over to it, resource that would probably have been moved onto other titles if it hadn't been so successful.
Plus making a massive open world they can use for online play for years going forward takes a long time.You only have to wander around the world of RDR2 to see why the game took so long. Given that GTA6 will inevitably be bigger in terms of scale it's no surprise to see that their output has slowed down.
Plus making a massive open world they can use for online play for years going forward takes a long time.You only have to wander around the world of RDR2 to see why the game took so long. Given that GTA6 will inevitably be bigger in terms of scale it's no surprise to see that their output has slowed down.
I wish they would make smaller titles so they could have one every 2-3 years at least. Kojima managed to pump out DS in 3 years, really even less.
i hope the Bully 2 rumors are true and a RDR1 remake should be easy given a lot of it is remade in 2 already and the 10th anniversary is May 2020
i hope the Bully 2 rumors are true and a RDR1 remake should be easy given a lot of it is remade in 2 already and the 10th anniversary is May 2020
