Of course it's not. Why would you even think it was?is this really a line from the game?
thats fucking disgusting.
Of course it's not. Why would you even think it was?is this really a line from the game?
thats fucking disgusting.
Just off the top of my head, didn't he have Milo Yiannopoulos on his podcast? And hasn't he said in the past personally that he doesn't think transitioning is effective, that the term "gender dysphoria" could be considered hate speech, and that transitioning before the age of 25 is a dangerous issue?
Where exactly are you drawing the line at transphobia if Milo doesn't count? And why is it that you feel Joe Rogan understands trans issues when he has repeatedly shown that he doesn't know anything about it?
Are there any data to support these claims of trans athletes having an advantage?
I would like to know as I have no idea about this subject.
He gave him a platform to talk on, that's all. Having someone on the show doesn't mean he agrees with them, he regularly debates guests in a formal non-combative way. He doesn't bring on people just for thrill of railroading them. Which is why high profile guests go on the show. Also I think he had him on prior to him really going unhindge. I didn't listen to that episode.
He's never said anything trans-phobic, he's DISCUSSED transgender in combat sports and in certain examples when stories are brought up about parents transitioning their kids at VERY young ages. Topics that should be able to be discussed without being applied a label.
Not sure what you mean by this.Maybe MMA is real stupid if it can be so massively upset this easily.
Painting with an awfully broad brush. If people have opinions on a subject that don't agree with your own doesn't make them this or that. It makes them open to conversation. He's routinely discussed how opinions change over years and his own have as well. If you're going to take everything out of context and live in a silo that's your decision, but that's also what's wrong with this current climate is that people can't have a conversations without being labeled as this or that.
Just because someone said something years ago does not mean that represents their current personality today. You should believe 20% of what you see on the internet and listen instead. Listening and reading are completely different and there is A LOT lost in context when something is presented in quotes instead of what they actually meant.
I've listened to the show for 5+ years, never a transphobic person on there that I'm aware of, and yes, I'd be more inclined to listen to people with experience in the sport on the subject than a barstool commentator with no experience.
Looking through some of his recent guests, he had Gad Saad on there who compared non-binary identities to a slippery slope of accepting transracialism, and how wanting to respect their identities is comparable to fatphobia and that it's a tyranny to want people to accept these identities. Gad Saad opposed Bill C-16 in Canada.
He has Jordan Peterson on there as well who has been a very vocal transphobe and who whipped up fearmongering about Bill C-16 and how people were going to be arrested if they didn't get pronouns correct. He has gone on record saying he won't respect a trans person's pronouns if he doesn't like the person, which shows that he doesn't see our identities as valid but something that he's rewarding us with by acknowledging. Jordan Peterson in general has said a lot of really shitty things about women and minorities, denying that rapes have happened as well as saying that teaching that gender identity exists to children is indoctrination.
To be clear, Bill C-16 added gender identity to the list of things that you can't discriminate against someone for.
He has had Ben Shapiro on his channel as well who is blatantly transphobic and does not believe that trans women are women. He misgenders trans people that he comes across and says that trans people are delusional.
He has had Steven Crowder as well who has also spread a lot of falsehoods and hate towards the trans community.
I could keep going, but the point of this here is that you seem to be under the impression that he hasn't had anyone transphobic on his podcast in the past 5 years that you've been watching it. You have people who blatantly dismiss our identities, insult us and demean us, and you don't see that as transphobic despite them directly talking about trans issues on his show. Again, why do you feel that Joe Rogan knows best about trans issues when he doesn't have the tools or the knowledge to challenge these people when an average viewer like you can't even recognize that what his guests are saying are an issue?
No but there are scientific studies that prove the opposite.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/201...nsitions-alter-athletic-performance-including
Indeed. Also, combat sports are much more complex than endurance or performance sports.This is a pretty complex question and very hard to measure. Even the study understood it was pretty hard to find samples big enough. Plus performance is not only driven by testosterone rates and a lot can happen, especially during a 5x5 minutes combat.
I don't think a study like this proves or disproves anything, we would need to get a array of different studies.
One sure thing though, putting a man against a woman in a cage is not a thing because the result is averagely always the same. But a transgender is a different story, between hormone rates, muscle mass drop, she cannot be considered as the same male version of herself for sure.
My issue stems from the fact that these people are discussing a very new topic and are being quickly labeled if they oppose the insanely complicated titles in a postmodern world. There's a learning curve and those in the know (you seem to be in the know) are hyper critical of anyone talking about it.
People are allowed to talk, you don't have to like it, but I wouldn't associate guests with the host. They aren't always a reflection of that person, he sees the potential for an interesting conversation with people who are out there discussing interesting things and goes for it.
It can't be impossible for people to just talk. If they sound like an ass that will be obvious to everyone. Whens the last time Milo has been in the news? He's seemingly dug and retreated into his own grave. Shitty people go away, but jesus people should be allowed to talk.
Researchers interviewed transgender youths ages 15 to 21 and asked whether young people could use their chosen name at school, home, work and with friends. Compared with peers who could not use their chosen name in any context, young people who could use their name in all four areas experienced 71 percent fewer symptoms of severe depression, a 34 percent decrease in reported thoughts of suicide and a 65 percent decrease in suicidal attempts.
Earlier research by Russell found that transgender youths report having suicidal thoughts at nearly twice the rate of their peers, with about 1 out of 3 transgender youths reporting considering suicide. In the new study, having even one context in which a chosen name could be used was associated with a 29 percent decrease in suicidal thoughts. The researchers controlled for personal characteristics and social support.
This is a pretty complex question and very hard to measure. Even the study understood it was pretty hard to find samples big enough. Plus performance is not only driven by testosterone rates and a lot can happen, especially during a 5x5 minutes combat.
I don't think a study like this proves or disproves anything, we would need to get a array of different studies.
One sure thing though, putting a man against a woman in a cage is not a thing because the result is averagely always the same. But a transgender is a different story, between hormone rates, muscle mass drop, she cannot be considered as the same male version of herself for sure.
But at the same time, we shouldn't just assume it takes away most of their advantages because a couple studies suggest it. Just like we shouldnt assume they still have most their advantages cause other studies suggest it. The science just isnt there yet, and latching onto an article to support whatever your opinion is on this issue is just arguing in bad faith in my opinion. Its strange seeing people saying the science is decided, hormone therapy takes away most advantages, and anyone who says something else is banned.This is a pretty complex question and very hard to measure. Even the study understood it was pretty hard to find samples big enough. Plus performance is not only driven by testosterone rates and a lot can happen, especially during a 5x5 minutes combat.
I don't think a study like this proves or disproves anything, we would need to get a array of different studies.
One sure thing though, putting a man against a woman in a cage is not a thing because the result is averagely always the same. But a transgender is a different story, between hormone rates, muscle mass drop, she cannot be considered as the same male version of herself for sure.
Simply put, there's as many articles about advantage as there are about even playing field. It's a discussion.
My only issue with this entire thread is the labels being tossed around at anyone debating the hyper progressive take on it. It's a VERY new discussion and I don't personally think enough studies have been done to conclude anything at this time. Nor do I feel that this is a welcome environment to express anything that could be deemed conflicting so I actually prefer leaving this thread and discussing games instead.
Might've been she was exposed to Mortal Kombat first.. And I assume an American White woman might identify more with a kick ass American White woman than a kick ass Chinese martial artist woman and the stereotype that all Asians supposedly know martial arts. It's like a White person that might've not started rapping until they saw Eminem do it.Wasn't Chun Li kicking ass before Sonya? Curious about why Rousey said that.
Wasn't Chun Li kicking ass before Sonya? Curious about why Rousey said that.
Yeah, and this too. lolBecause she's not playing Chun-Li and not getting paid to market/promote Street Fighter
People are allowed to talk, you don't have to like it, but I wouldn't associate guests with the host. They aren't always a reflection of that person, he sees the potential for an interesting conversation with people who are out there discussing interesting things and goes for it.
Wow, some people are dumb as hell.is this really a line from the game?
thats fucking disgusting.
Men talk shit to other men in combat sports all the time. I actully think that was more a sexist issue that she was "unladylike".There are concerns to be had given how far someone is in their transition and various other factors. But Ronda's entire "chop off his pecker" response doesn't exactly leave a lot of nuance in what she was saying.
But, even if you cast aside the transphobia and hitting her former boyfriend. There's still the fact she defends her own husband's past of domestic abuse. Not to mention her whole "Do Nothing Bitches" catchphrase and generally being a huge asshole to other women during her time in UFC until she got beat up.
Yep, that's the conclusion Oprah came to after interviewing a bunch of skinheads on her program in 1988If I tell you straight up that I advocate for a pure white race and I think all black people should be put to death, and you, knowing this ahead of time, still invite me on your podcast so that I'm able to tell everyone this publicly, it doesn't fucking matter if you "disagree" with my stance.
You still gave me the opportunity to spread my hateful message in the hopes that some of your listeners feel the same, feel emboldened and empowered by hearing someone with similar views, and potentially act on their feelings thinking they will be safe/in good company.
It doesn't matter how much you think you "own" me on that podcast with facts and knowledge, how much of a fool you think you've made me look like, I've accomplished my mission. My mission was simply to have my hate heard. And you gave me a platform to shout it out to the world.
That's what Joe Rogan accomplishes with his podcast every time he has a guest on like this. Even more so because of him rarely ever pushing back on these kinds of sentiments.
Exactly. I pay zero attention to celebs rumours and who is or isn't a terrible person, and up until two minutes ago, when I saw this thread, I'd have thought "Oh, cool! She is perfect for the part of Sonya Blade!" because I barely know anything about her.There are way more people who see her name as having celebrity value than there are who care about or even know all the terrible shit she has said and believes.
Yep, that's the conclusion Oprah came to after interviewing a bunch of skinheads on her program in 1988
You're mistaken. Ronda Rousey is merely voicing the character of Sonya Blade.I absolutely hate this. I think games shouldn't break the 4th wall to include real life fighters. That's just dumb. Spawn, Link and other fictional characters I can understand-even though I don't particularly love the idea. But Ronda? Come on. That's just plain stupid.
The link in the OP blatantly points out what he is claiming is false.
I had no idea there was gonna be an event.They did a full reveal trailer for her as Sonya and had her show up at the event, yeah
You're mistaken. Ronda Rousey is merely voicing the character of Sonya Blade.
That trans people undergoing hormonal treatments have lower bone density / muscle growth therefore are at a disadvantage vs females? Is this a proven fact, or just threorosed based on some individual studies?
Despite the fighter's claims, researchers have been quick to point out that a trans woman would actually be at a significant disadvantage in terms of bone strength and muscle density, as a result of hormone treatments.
I had no idea there was gonna be an event.
Very interesting problem.
Would this be the first semi/pro-gamergate AAA game (you know what I mean), with or without the intentions of the designers?
I don't know what you mean.I had no idea there was gonna be an event.
Very interesting problem.
Would this be the first semi/pro-gamergate AAA game (you know what I mean), with or without the intentions of the designers?
This isn't a GamerGate thing at all. It's just about one problematic idiot (Ronda).
The GamerGate crowd (or what is left of that dead "movement") are actually complaining that NRS has gone "SJW" because they decided to cover up the women more than the ridiculousness of MK9.
I assumed that crowd would be happy given some of the woman's ideas.
Because she's not playing Chun-Li and not getting paid to market/promote Street Fighter
I never knew any of this stuff about her and I doubt the average consumer does either.
this is mortal kombat, dude. Are you expecting Daniel Day Lewis ?On top of everything else she's a fucking terrible actress, voice or otherwise.
Goofy writing aside, MKX had some really good voice acting given the pedigree of voice actors behind it.This is definitely a noticeable downgrade.this is mortal kombat, dude. Are you expecting Daniel Day Lewis ?
this is mortal kombat, dude. Are you expecting Daniel Day Lewis ?
Again, she said it and was on the cover of BOXING magazine. This is before the whole Conner fight. Was it a giant PR at the time yes. But I wouldn't doubt Rousey, who was undefeated during that time and on top of that had a giant ego was most likely down to do it. But again, all assumptions. Like the person, I quoted said. Is the fact she said it. She was okay to say she would fight a male athlete but not a trans-woman.