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CBS: Roseanne Revival to Include “Gender Creative” Non-Binary Child
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The quality of the show is going to be entirely based on whether or not Barr can keep her head out of the writer's room and leave the sane people in charge.
So uh, good luck
So uh, good luck
The kid loves Ferris Bueller and Flashdance who cares
Yeah, this is going to be a train wreck.
As great as it would be to help shine some light on the issues trans youth face, I can't imagine this being done tastefully at all.
As great as it would be to help shine some light on the issues trans youth face, I can't imagine this being done tastefully at all.
waaaaaiiiiit a minute
imdb Billions - 2016
imdb House of Lies - 2012
i call foul, Don Cheadle's character has a gender fluid kid (Roscoe) who is a major character
edit - ah Geist caught it
o shit patientzero caught an even earlier one, forgot about the Riches kid (although, arguably not a major char). welp
As desprate as ABC might be for another comedy that does well in the ratings I really don't think they'd let that fly. How far did Last Man Standing go because I can't see them going too much further to that side.
I remember a Roseanne episode that was about abortion and how she was passionately pro-choice. Yet in real life and on the show she's a Trump supporter who just today spoke at a pro-life rally. Strange times indeed.
i have this distant, flickering hope that Roseanne has been playing her yet-to-return character on Twitter this whole time in an Kaufmanesque display of real life performance art
yeah, it's not likely
As someone who is rather uninformed on this particular topic.
Does non-binary gender identity issues happen as early as 9 years of age? I think I've always associated it with a puberty thing.
Does non-binary gender identity issues happen as early as 9 years of age? I think I've always associated it with a puberty thing.
Alright. I'm puzzled.
Given her Twitter meltdowns, if Barr had complete creative control this would never happen. Or perhaps the character would be a complete joke- but they aren't framing it that way in the article.
I'm also happy to see a mainstream show actually tackle the idea of boys who enjoy presenting in a feminine manner, but I wonder if it'll try to conflate that with trans issues. I'm also not sure why the article says the character is nonbinary if they're not trans. NB is inherently trans because you're never going to have a doctor say, at birth "this person is not a girl or a boy".
It's... got the potential to be very messy, but also very good.
Given her Twitter meltdowns, if Barr had complete creative control this would never happen. Or perhaps the character would be a complete joke- but they aren't framing it that way in the article.
I'm also happy to see a mainstream show actually tackle the idea of boys who enjoy presenting in a feminine manner, but I wonder if it'll try to conflate that with trans issues. I'm also not sure why the article says the character is nonbinary if they're not trans. NB is inherently trans because you're never going to have a doctor say, at birth "this person is not a girl or a boy".
It's... got the potential to be very messy, but also very good.
I can't see a reason why someone couldn't identify as nonbinary if they can identify as the gender the doctor didn't assign them at that age. But I do have to admit, for the most part, the NB people I know didn't really realize it or recognize signs they were until after puberty, yeah.
Nothing weird about a kid who's interested in the clothes they want to wear. Non-binary ≠ transgender.
I can't speak for non-binary people, but I knew I was trans around then for sure. So, it would make sense for their identities to exist around then too
I feel like if the parents are supposed to be Trump supporters that it's trying to model All in the Family, and will have a similarly normalizing effect on people's reaction to seeing marginalized people bear the brunt of terrible outdated attitudes and horrible treatment. You were supposed to empathize with Archie Bunker even as he continuously made racist remarks. "Yes, that's all terrible, but there's a lot of love in that family." Every episode opened with him sitting at a piano singing sweetly. (About how "girls were girls and men were men" by the way.)
Meanwhile, Barr herself is a transphobic Trump supporter.
I can admit to almost being enticed to curiosity-watch the mess. But I don't think anyone should go into it expecting the genderfluid character to be treated well by the characters or the show. And, this is not the show we need right now. It's hard not to feel like it's going to use the controversial stuff that will come up because of this character exploitatively (for views) rather than to promote discussion, heal rifts, express a viewpoint of tolerance, help other genderfluid people feel represented, etc.
Meanwhile, Barr herself is a transphobic Trump supporter.
I can admit to almost being enticed to curiosity-watch the mess. But I don't think anyone should go into it expecting the genderfluid character to be treated well by the characters or the show. And, this is not the show we need right now. It's hard not to feel like it's going to use the controversial stuff that will come up because of this character exploitatively (for views) rather than to promote discussion, heal rifts, express a viewpoint of tolerance, help other genderfluid people feel represented, etc.
Yes, very much so. There are kids who express very clearly that they've got a disconnect w/ their gender and birth sex starting at 3-4.
Though that isn't what they're going for here- they're going for a kid who's gender nonconforming but not trans, which is also a thing.
she did, killing any interest i had in this
literally can't see this poor kid not being just that
yeah, for those of us who thought norm was overrated shit before this turn was neither hard not surprising though
If she uses this character to punch down she's an even bigger shitheel than I thought she was. Dont expect nuance from Roseanne Barre, its been a long time since OG Roseanne.
tbf we won't know for certain until they try to dance their problems away
Don't mean to derail, but.......WHAT?! Maybe I'm not remembering things correctly, but when the heck did he die?
The actor died not too long after the show ended. Guess they weren't going to recast him.
I'm really conflicted. I don't like Dan/Roseanne voting for Trump, I rather dislike Roseanne Barr (then again I was never a fan of her or her character in the past). OTOH, if they handle it appropriately - ie, actually acknowledging the hypocrisy of Roseanne voting for someone whose views are so toxic to people she alleges to support - it could actually not be bad. The gender creative kid could also go either way, depends on how the idea is handled. Like, will they be framed in such a way that the audience is meant to laugh at them for being gender creative (even if only some of the time)? For example, Jackie dressed her son in effeminate clothing, and it was definitely framed in a "you're making this kid look stupid" way.
The actor died a long time ago (but after show ended) from an overdose I believe. If I remember correctly the plan is to say he died in the war for this new season, instead of recasting him.
I don't know where people are getting the idea that Roseanne (the character) and Dan would vote for Trump or be Obama-to-Trump voters. Roseanne was around plenty of minority characters and sympathized with them.
Roseanne Barr, though, has become a complete lunatic, especially with her rampant xenophobia and Islamophobia. I think she paid someone to clear out her older tweets to make her appear more palatable but you can just have a cursory glance over at who she's following to see just who you're dealing with.
Roseanne Barr, though, has become a complete lunatic, especially with her rampant xenophobia and Islamophobia. I think she paid someone to clear out her older tweets to make her appear more palatable but you can just have a cursory glance over at who she's following to see just who you're dealing with.
that child looks like something youd see in a ska punk zelda universe
so I agree
The war thing was her original plan for DJ. It's possible she shifted that over to Mark, but I haven't seen any confirmation.
If anything, Becky and Mark would have fallen to the opioid crisis, but I can't imagine them doing that when the actor died of an overdose.
You're saying it right there. Roseanne herself used to be liberal.
Oh wow. Had no idea. RIP
As for recasting, they could just make a big joke of it like they did Becky, lol
Much like the real Roseanne, the fictional Roseanne actually had some prejudices against LGBT people, they even did multiple episodes that touch upon them.
Roseanne Barr herself didn't vote for Trump because of "economic anxiety", which is likely the only thing they'll be pushing with the show in regards to her die hard shilling for Trump, but instead because she's an out of her mind terrible person. She was also saying terrible, idiotic things long before she voted for Trump, regardless of that so-called "liberal" label.
In reality, she's a much worse, much more unstable person than her character, always has been.
Oh yeah, a lot of parents are insecure and ignorant. I just feel that the description "displays qualities of both young female and male traits" is a bit too prescriptive, which I don't like.
If you look at boys that aren't "reined in", you'll find quite a few that play with dolls. Reducing non-binary to "not being a gender stereotype" is a bit trashy IMO.
EDIT: I guess I have a problem with the word "non-binary" being used, when it's just non-conforming.
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Wait, so the kid isn't non-binary at all? At least according to my understanding of "being non-binary", meaning being some gender outside the binary, or none at all. I'm confused now.
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She has become a really bizarre mix of alt-right, zionist, conspiracy theorist. Seems like she nuked her Twitter feed but it was full of anti Obama, anti Clinton conspiracy nonsense mixed with #maga stuff.
To be honest I'm surprised she was able to keep it together for the production of the new Roseanne season because reading her Twitter feed always left me with the impression that her mind was completely fucked up.
Gender non-conforming is in regards to exhibited behavior. Non-Binary is in regards to gender identity. (identifying as neither male nor female) Non-conforming behavior doesn't necessitate a non-binary identity. A guy who does drag but identifies as a guy is an example of this.
Yeah, exactly. I guess I'm just afraid that this character will be a lazy stereotype, equating gender non-conforming behaviour with a certain gender identity, which is a bit too simple IMO.
The needle they're threading is that this character would likely end up being gay, but since they're 9, you wouldn't know that for sure at this stage of development.
Isn't that a whole different aspect of the character though? I'm not sure I see the connection.
She produces The Talk. She can't be hurting for money. Though I guess that doesn't mean anything really.