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Rotten Tomatoes admits The Last Jedi was review bombed
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TLJ did have some pretty weak legs in the US compared to Jumanji which released at around the same time and had extremely strong legs. It does suggest to me that many people were choosing to go see Jumanji instead of seeing TLJ again but obviously I can't say for sure (I'm sure Disney has done plenty of market research on why that happened).
Solo obviously did pretty badly at the box office but had so many of it's own issues I don't think you can say if TLJ had any effect on it or not.
I'm really looking forward to this December and the following months to see how episode IX does both domestically and worldwide. Disney does have a bit of a problem with worldwide auidences not caring about Star Wars like the domestic audience. I don't think they can do anything about that with Episode IX but I do think they'll try and do something to address it in future movies when they aren't tied into the OT anymore.
In a world where Episode 1 exists, it's hard to view this as anything other than the hottest of hot takes.
I'm only suspicious of their timing. Why wait until Captain Marvel to admit The Last Jedi was review bombed? Are they trying to get people to dismiss fan criticism of the film, whether it be valid or not? Is Mickey twisting their arms?
I doubt Captain Marvel is a bad movie. I expect it to be quite good. Yet, when dealing with a powerful company such as Disney, I must always assume the worst.
I doubt Captain Marvel is a bad movie. I expect it to be quite good. Yet, when dealing with a powerful company such as Disney, I must always assume the worst.
Luckily both these movies made bank so these trolls hopefully drowned in their tears of frustration
I basically feel the same way. I liked it more than any of the prequels but I do have a number of issues with the movie (the Casino section, I find the slow chase through space to be an extremely boring plot for a Star Wars movie, almost nothing for Poe and Phasma to do with Phasma being killed off after doing basically nothing in 2 films) though I do think the film has it's strong points as well (most of the Kylo, Rey and Luke plot is pretty good, really enjoyed Luke's "final battle", it has some great visuals).
I imagine they announced it right now because the same thing is happening to Captain Marvel and RT finally decided to do something about it.
There's nothing wrong with someone giving it a 0 or 10, that's why an option is there but of course it was meant to be one person = one score, to represent more diverse and interesting user opinions, not objective measure that needs to be corrected with review bombing. But a Story I see there is a lot of the film's haters are so insecure with their opinion, they need to inflate it.
Seems about the right place for Last Jedi. I'd swap ANH and RotJ scores, and equalize PM and RotS scores.
There are a lot of insecure losers on the internet. It's actually probably the only place that demographic can realistically go since in real life likely not a lot of people would want to hang out with such a person.
I'm shocked. SHOCKED.
TLJ got an A cinemascore. It made over $600m in America and $1.3b worldwide.
There are absolutely fans that have legitimate criticisms of the film. But there are also undoubtedly those that have spammed the movie since release and purposefully fanned the flames of outrage.
TLJ got an A cinemascore. It made over $600m in America and $1.3b worldwide.
There are absolutely fans that have legitimate criticisms of the film. But there are also undoubtedly those that have spammed the movie since release and purposefully fanned the flames of outrage.
What a tremendously weird way to go about feeling better about yourself.
Because there's a very clear pattern of movies perceived to be too feminist or anti-racist getting review bombed and they really can't deny it anymore.
What in the world is this?
Switch TFA with AOTC and you've got yourself the best list I've seen
I'll tell you what I loved about TPM. The combat and lightsaber duels were on point, and Darth Mail had a fitting death sequence. The actual death of Qui Gon had more weight than Luke's weird fade out suicide. the pod racing was fun and not a random diversion like the space casino race. The cast was great and I love kid version of Anakin simply based on how badly Hayden Christiansen butchered the character later.
The bad parts about TPM are what everyone knows, Jar Jar, some weird dialogue and over abundance of CG. TPM doesn't have the best SW story, but as a prequel it was core to the characters we already knew from the OT. Obi wan is great and Ewan did great work. Natalie Portman was a little flat as Queen Amidala, but she did fine imo. I guess I like the cast a lot and I think that the story wasn't perfect, but it was better than TLJ's never-ending-chase-scene and off-kilter pacing. Thats without listing all the things I disliked in TLJ, which are higher than the things I dislike about TPM.
It was already looking sus after the Gotti debacle. After it became clear that the Geeks + Gamer types were gonna review bomb Captain Marvel for bad faith reasons and were even more open about it than with other films, they knew they had to make a statement.
I mean, I thought it was kind of obvious what I was trying to say. Does Disney twisting the arm of a company like Rotten Tomatoes seem outside the realm of realistic possibilities to you?
Just for this reason:
"Are they trying to get people to dismiss fan criticism of the film, whether it be valid or not? "
Yeah, that's ridiculous.
3.5 sounds decent, and if the Star Wars stories don't count, either way that's a very embelleshed way to describe just two episodes since the prequels.
I'd more or less agree with those scores. Jedi might be a touch too high even if it might have the best act (the third act) of any Star Wars movie. Too much of the early part of the film meanders on Jabba's Sail Barge which is goofy and cheesy as hell.
I think RT itself is more concerned with being a cesspit where blatant racism and misogyny is tolerated. YOU KNOW, when I think of evil corporations that I must assume the worst of, the top of the list goes to companies that *reads notes* supposedly strongarm websites into not tolerating very blatant and obvious racism/misogyny after a recognizable pattern of that happening to said studio's films.
4/5 for RotJ is too high score for it, though. IMO, the movie is really disappointing as a OT closer.
I would watch TFA and TLJ over it anyday.
I would watch TFA and TLJ over it anyday.
Glad they got nuked. Losers engaging in pathetic behaviour to give other losers some bullshit nonsense to "critique" the film with.
Right. And it was super obvious that TLJ was review bombed the week the movie came out.
So I ask, why now? Why wait more than a year? What is being gained from this announcement? Who benefits?
Rottentomatoes benefits as they show the world that they are aware of an obvious issue and now are fixing it for current and future movie releases for all studios.
Because journalists asked them about it after repeated obvious occurrences? "Hey RT, what's going on with that Captain Marvel user score?" "Unfortunately we've seen that over the last year and a half with movies like this and The Last Jedi."
It's really not that nefarious.
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Because people have been asking since it came out, and RT has denied for it so long due to not wanting their user reviews section to be perceived like Metacritic's is (i.e. as a massive joke). The openness of the Captain Marvel review bombing more-or-less forced their hand to admit that their scores could be review bombed, and had been.
Why are you more concerned about the possibility of a studio dismissing fan criticism in a thread about how incels review bombing a movie they haven't seen?
That's another thing, people even here on this website tried to say that the movie flopped because it ONLY
-made 1.3 billion dollars at the box office vs. TFA's 2 billion
-supposedly didn't sell enough toys because youtubers told them so
-had bad bluray sales despite being the best selling bluray that year, again, youtubers told them otherwise
Okay, you misunderstand. I'm not speaking about what the studio perceives. I could not care less about that. I'm speaking about what the studio wants potential audiences to think before watching the movie.Why are you more concerned about the possibility of a studio dismissing fan criticism in a thread about how incels review bombing a movie they haven't seen?
Yes, this.
Also, studios may not want to promote or work with a site that amplifies trolls that attack your movie releases, to the point where the troll's messages are given equal importance to actual critics.
Oh dear. Anything but the "most people liked it" argument!
I for one would very much welcome rottentomatoes demise
They have become too powerful and their philosophy of good or bad without any nuance like meta critic is contributing to making good movies look great, ok movies looking bad and great movies.
Success of movies and audience buying tickets in 2nd week has begun depending on RT scores. That needs to stop. It's a hive mind being created. We did not need rotten tomatoes for years and we don't need it now. You can still follow your favorite reviewers instead of getting a summary
At least a third of scores of not amazing movies is 5.5-6.5/10. The fact that either score can go on rotten or fresh and not get a calculated avg , makes many movies end of getting more rotten and some movies getting more fresh reviews than they deserve
They have become too powerful and their philosophy of good or bad without any nuance like meta critic is contributing to making good movies look great, ok movies looking bad and great movies.
Success of movies and audience buying tickets in 2nd week has begun depending on RT scores. That needs to stop. It's a hive mind being created. We did not need rotten tomatoes for years and we don't need it now. You can still follow your favorite reviewers instead of getting a summary
At least a third of scores of not amazing movies is 5.5-6.5/10. The fact that either score can go on rotten or fresh and not get a calculated avg , makes many movies end of getting more rotten and some movies getting more fresh reviews than they deserve
Are you incapable of understanding a review that doesn't have a number attached to it?
Yeah the first real articles other than the PR was how it was getting review bombed, i learned why after the fact. Not a good look for a movie site
I mean I think we all knew this didn't we? Doesn't change the fact that it's the 4th worst film in the main series. Personally I never cared what others thought, I just straight up didn't like the direction TLJ went, it clashes too much with TFA which is the 5th worst film in the series or 4th best.
Again, why're you raising this concern in a thread about a film getting review bombed by misogynists? Gtfo with the "just asking questions" nonsense. Or start a new thread. You haven't uncovered any conspiracy or figured something out, there's nothing suspicious about the timing. You aren't clever. The timing is very VERY overtly due to not only a recognizable pattern of specific films being review bombs but also due to the sheer magnitude this time. It's been escalating and they can't ignore it anymore.
I too, wish for an industry standard's demise because I disagree with film consensus. That's perfectly reasonable logic.