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JABEE

Member
Oct 25, 2017
9,853
The essence of his statement is literally that America was better when we still had slavery. He tries to dress it up with some bullshit about how families (exclusively white families, you would imagine) were still "united" and the country had a "clear direction". All of which is complete bullshit that makes no sense if you have any understanding of American history, unless you are analyzing it through the lens of the white, slaveholding class. It's the only interpretation that makes any sense!
"His country's" clear direction was black people were property, not people.

I'm not sure how anyone else can take his statement as anything other than wishing to return to the ways of the Antebellum South.
 
Oct 27, 2017
683
All you need to do to understand idealistic white racial politics in the 20th century is watch Gone With the Wind, maybe the most successful film of all time.

The premise of the film was mourning when the South was "great."

Roy Moore clings to this playbook like a true pre-civil rights act piece of human excrement.

Politicians of his ilk, so clearly bigoted, used to be the norm in this country.

This is no dog-whistle. Moore is the type of politician who would stand in school doorways. It hasn't been that long.

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Thank you for sharing this. This is super important. People seem to think that a "racist" is a crazy person that espouses violence and hate and contempt on a daily basis and are of the naive belief that millions of "normal every day" Americans weren't present at lynchings, protesting school integrations, voting for politicians who espouse segregation, etc. People who may have been your nice neighbor accross the street or your father or your grandmother. I think people are starting to wake up to the fact that the politicians who were alive in the 1960s and vehemently opposed integration and equal rights for black people didn't just suddenly do a heel turn and now are committed to equality and see the error of their ways. Many of them just learned that it isn't acceptable to express those views so nakedly in public anymore. The people who were taunting black students, gathering around for protests, circulating lynching postcards, patronizing businesses that explicitly stated they will not be serving black people did not just suddenly have a collective "aha! racism is bad and I've been a racist my whole life!" moment. They held and continue to hold the cognitive dissonant view of "I liked things better when white people didn't have equal competition and a man/woman like me could say and do whatever I wanted to people who looked different. I'm not racist"
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,220
Yes, the guy is a cunt but he clearly says despite slavery he thinks that is the time. It's semantics but everyone is just wilfully ignoring it.
No, they're not. What he's saying is that Slavery is bad(In a patronizing manner) but not as bad as not having his archaic vision of family unity without the gays mucking everything up.
 

capitalCORN

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
10,436
The wholesome vision of America that the RNC advertises is the brief period of the nuclear family, back in the mid twentieth century. The good old days Moore refers to are when human lives, even those of your children, were property, and the 1% worked the rest to death because it was more 'cost effective' to replace than to do upkeep, Guess which one is the real objective.
 
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gutter_trash

Banned
Oct 26, 2017
17,124
Montreal
before Slavery?
holding human beings as property, how can anyone still defend this in the 21st century?

Family unity?
Fathers treated their kids like cattle. Women did not have to right ot vote and were sumbissive to their husband.


People have rose colored glasses on what they thought families were back in the old day.
Life was fucken hard back in those good old days
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,018
Isn't the Civil War also known for cases where brothers ended up on opposite sides? Like, can you really say families are united when they are shooting each other?
 

GrizzleBoy

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
2,762
Guys he's obviously talking about the better times BEFORE anyone tried to abolish slavery and it was just part of American life.

Of course he's not talking about when people tried to abolish slavery and ruined the perfect synergy America had.
 

Demogorgon

Banned
Oct 30, 2017
439
I don't want to defend the creep but he did say "even though we had slavery" which implies that it's a bad thing.
 

AM_LIGHT

Member
Oct 30, 2017
3,725
To my fellow era Americans, i know from history that southern states are generally more racist than other parts of the country.
But i get the impression Alabama is even worse.
 

L Thammy

Spacenoid
Member
Oct 25, 2017
50,018
I don't want to defend the creep but he did say "even though we had slavery" which implies that it's a bad thing.

It's also the part that gives you the time frame he's referring to. Like, he could have said any time, he could have said a year or a historical period, but he decided on slavery time.
 

Deleted member 3897

User requested account closure
Banned
Oct 25, 2017
9,638
Some Alabama people disgust me. I mean, voting for an accused pedophile just because he has an (R) by his name and not a (D).

To those who will vote for him: fuck you sick fuckos for wanting to vote for a guy who thought the time period when you had slavery was great, a guy who apaprently is a pedophile.

This is pissing me of to a great extend. Have you no morales? No dignity? You think Jesus would accept this guy? Perhaps old testament Jesus, but not new testament Jesus.

I think Jesus would have voted for the American Socialist Alternative.
 

III-V

Member
Oct 25, 2017
18,827
I don't want to defend the creep but he did say "even though we had slavery" which implies that it's a bad thing.
"Even though we had slavery" implies that some people just might have been slaves, and while that is not 'optimal' it was the greatest time for America overall. Really doesn't change much.

For instance, would Roy Moore, the black man, have the same sentiments? I think not.
 
Oct 27, 2017
4,643
Anyone remotely shocked by how an incident like this could happen, why "MAGA" endures, why someone like Moore can continue to get plenty of support (and Trump and Bannon will fight to defend him), or why his statements have a defence force even here, should take the time to read Ta-Nehisi Coates' "The First White President"

a long read, but worth the bookmark and come back to or you can download the audio version of it from the site.
 

EdibleKnife

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Oct 29, 2017
7,723
I don't want to defend the creep but he did say "even though we had slavery" which implies that it's a bad thing.
"Even though the rent's a little high, I love my apartment", "Even though it was a bit overlong, the movie is entirely worth paying full price for", "Even though we argue, I wouldn't trade a single moment with my wife for the world." What do these sound like? If he thinks and actually understands how bad slavery was he wouldn't look back fondly on that time for any reason unless he thought it was worth the suffering of black people.
 

BadAss2961

Banned
Oct 25, 2017
3,069
Yes, the guy is a cunt but he clearly says despite slavery he thinks that is the time. It's semantics but everyone is just wilfully ignoring it.
It's pretty telling that when asked about the last great period in America, you'd think back to the days of slavery. You're basically saying that the wrong side won the Civil War, and it fucked everything up.
 

Steel

The Fallen
Oct 25, 2017
18,220
Some Alabama people disgust me. I mean, voting for an accused pedophile just because he has an (R) by his name and not a (D).

To those who will vote for him: fuck you sick fuckos for wanting to vote for a guy who thought the time period when you had slavery was great, a guy who apaprently is a pedophile.

This is pissing me of to a great extend. Have you no morales? No dignity? You think Jesus would accept this guy? Perhaps old testament Jesus, but not new testament Jesus.

I think Jesus would have voted for the American Socialist Alternative.

Say hello to conservatism in America, where they will absolutely vote for the R in lockstep no matter what. There is no convincing them, they will always be a problem here, and they will always have government representation of some sort, no matter how much progress is made. A diet of Fox News does that.
 
Oct 25, 2017
10,096
Sweden
Even if he isn't explicitly saying "Everything was better when we had slavery", he's implying that slavery included still meant America was better than it is today.

Weird and dangerous internal logic.
 

astro

Member
Oct 25, 2017
56,945
It's a shitty, misrepresentative title designed to sensationalize a statement that's already gross enough.

No, it's not.

He's literally pining for a time where "family unity" was better, a time where families kept people as property, a time where "family unity" clearly only applies to whites.

And what we know of his history it all fits.

The title is simply cutting through the bullshit.
 
Oct 25, 2017
12,018
This is guy is on his way in, Franken is on his way out. Can't find a better example of why liberalism is a losing enterprise. There is no bottom for conservatives. An enemy with no conscience is really hard to beat.
 

Deleted member 176

User requested account closure
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Oct 25, 2017
37,160
Defense force for everything mayne
Seriously, what the hell.

"He's not saying he likes slavery, he's saying our nation was at its greatest when we had slavery and he wants to return to those great times. The pedophile has honest intentions."

This is guy is on his way in, Franken is on his way out. Can't find a better example of why liberalism is a losing enterprise. There is no bottom for conservatives. An enemy with no conscience is really hard to beat.
Liberals aren't losing anything by removing Franken.