He's a child molester and was probably going to win before this.
This nonsense is speaking directly to republican voters, they believe the same shit.
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Roy Moore: America should be "great again" like when we had slavery
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This nonsense is speaking directly to republican voters, they believe the same shit.
now he will surefire win alabama
Simple. People in alabama like pedophilia and slavery. Or at least they dont mind to elect someone who is a pedophile and has nostalgia for slavery
Unless the title has been changed and I missed it, "like when we had slavery" is perfectly accurate way to paraphrase what he said. His attempt to caveat out the slavery part doesn't change the fact that that's time he decided to call out as great time for America...when we had slavery.
It's like, imagine you make a milkshake for yourself and your friend, except instead of using milk or ice cream, you just shit in the glasses. And then that you insist to your friend "this is awesome if you put aside the whole shit thing". Maybe you topped it off with chocolate shavings or something, maybe you could technically be referring to that, but I'm sure your friend will feel that shit is an essential part of the whole experience.
Really, he's saying the family unity was SO good that even slavery couldn't impinge on how great things were! Nothing wrong with that!
i dont think there is a problem per se with alabama. the problem is that a rural small state gets the same representation as a state with ten times as many people living in there. thats why small red states like alabama get disproportionate propaganda
I think this is kind of a weird way to look at it. Roy Moore is a terrible person and says plenty of stupid stuff, but by that same logic you cannot look back at any point in history or at any historical figures and state that it had positive aspects because some injustice was most definitely going on at that point.
Shortsighted, dumb billionaires have been using Fox News to cause the conservative voter base to fester for years. This is a culmination of all their work. They created a monster they can't control.
Other than the fact that era had slavery, what distinguishing characteristic does Roy Moore specify? Family unity isn't unique to the era of slavery and families are not suffering today. If anything, it is the other way around. Families are stronger today than they were during slavery.
Roy Moore simply gave a empty platitude in order to state he wants to bring back slavery. He could have picked any era and said families were strong, but he choose the time we had slavery.
it's time for GOP to go. Americans deserve a better and real national political party for conservatism.
I am not saying he is smart, or that he made a good choice, or that he is a moral person. Just the arguments some people put forth are really weird logically. Whether he wants slavery back or not, his statement is worded in such a manner that he implies slavery is bad. To take him to task for being a shit person is ok, and we should, but it just feels like people are really stretching here to turn this statement into something when there is already so much bad stuff associated with him that is candidly malicious. Hell, I am sure if someone looked for it there are more obvious examples where he clearly and unabashedly says racist stuff, like calling asian and native american people yellows and reds.
The civil war was almost a 175 years ago, and that time he could find a point when the American family was strong?
The issue here is that slavery, at least in the American south, wasn't just a bad thing that happened in the background. It's a - if not the - central part of economy. Even the positive aspects are probably going to be enabled by slavery.
Ok, besides stating the present then (and I think even that would be problematic for a multitude of reasons), when could you say was a time where America was at its best and didn't coincide with suppression of racial minorities, women, the lgbt community, etc.?
I really don't think Moore is right in picking the time he chose, but I think you could make the same argument that many are making here about any point in history, with any country, and that makes it impossible to answer the question that was asked.
I would agree with you, but where in his statement does he state that the southern mentality is what is good at the time? He probably means to refer to that, but the statement doesn't say that explicitly. My point is not that he is not racist, but that this is a bad statement to use to argue that he is, especially when he provides so much more blatantly racist comments.
None, but the fact he leaped all the way back to slavery and mentioned slavery in a offhand hand comment is kinda the problem and shows you what kinda of person he is.
he mentioned slavery like some people mention pipes rattling a bit in their house, annoying but something they willing accept
The thing that make this statement extra ridiculous is the fact that he is basically saying neither his generation, his parents generation, his grandparents generation nor his great grandparents know what a "United" family is then.
Maybe stop having sex with children then Roy.
Maybe stop having sex with children then Roy.
Well that's the point isn't it? People who say "Make America Great Again" want to return to times when oppression was even more prevalent and those who challenge them on the statement know what they really mean.
There is no good answer to "when was America great?" but we all know that already and we all know what people who say "make America great again" really mean.
I tell you, I won't live in a town that robs men of the right to marry their cousins.
Downplaying the horrors of slavery is a very common dog whistle, so much so that most people skip the text and go straight to the obvious subtext.
well considering " the greatest generation" fought the nazis, I can see why they are no longer held highly by the current right
another example that bigoted ass shit heads are comfortable without their hoods on since trump got elected
we'll never forget your face though
we'll never forget your face though
I agree with this sentiment whole-heartedly. In this vein though, do people attack Trump for saying make america great again? No, they attack him because he supports racist bans on people entering the country, supports taxes on the disadvantaged, supports policy that suppresses minorities, etc. Moore has done and said plenty of things that could be used to say how terrible he is as a person and candidate, even pertaining to the same topic. I think focusing on one like this seems kind of fruitless.
Why are you bringing up mentality? I didn't say anything about mentality. I said that in this particular time, slavery is central to the economy, and any good thing that you would want to highlight in this time would be affected by that. The demographics were due to slavery - again, the population was nearly half black due to it. Entertainment involved tons of black stereotyping. The people who held the most slaves were the wealthy class. They went to the Civil War to defend their ability to keep slaves. How do you take the slavery out of this period in order to praise it?
They absolutely do, because that is a statement with history and meaning which goes beyond the literal denotation of the words in the statement.
You ignore it and when someone calls you out on it, you ignore them too.
He campaigned on "Make America Great Again," and in order to #MAGA, he has to enact changes, no? And those changes would be the things you listed, among others. They are intrinsically linked.
As for Moore, the current statement may have implications behind it, but we know what those implications are because he has said other horrible, racist things. Because of that history of other statements, it's not a huge leap to infer what he means by the current statement.
I guess I will just disagree and leave it at that. I think attacking a statement such as this is a waste of energy when you can more concretely attack someone's actions and more obviously malicious statements, of which there are plenty with Moore and Trump.
Agreed, they're both bad for the environment and like to kidnap children.
Its a dogwhistle. He clearly thinks slavery was good, hence why he praises the time period. His statement of familoes being more united and America are dogshit and easily debunked. The only way you are going to praise that period is if you'd love to own some slaves.
Which happens alot and that is how racist ideas and stereotypes are so pervasive without people specifically saying overt statements. The innuendo and dogwhistles have been around for decades and their effectiveness is always proven when people clearly show that they don't see what is wrong or that the statement is innocent.
I mean, this guy is a perfect encapsulation of everything that is wrong with Alabama and much of the rural South.
