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Roy Moore: America should be "great again" like when we had slavery
- Thread starter uncelestial
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I think the fact that he knows slavery was bad (I mean, dur) but him saying even though sounds like despite slavery it contributed to things being good. It's really fucked.
I think its a cult at this point. Wuth Fox news alt facts, breitbarts racist dog whistling and rallying, and 0 accountability coupled with hatred for progress for other groups, has made something very cult like.
Its scary and i dont see it changing.
Hell, there's an argument that "slavery days" America wasn't even that great for white men, isn't there? If I'm not mistaken, slavery was actually more expensive than immigrant labour. Slaveowners didn't have to pay wages, but they had to shoulder all of the costs of supporting them, whereas immigrants have to handle themselves. Slaves also don't sit there and accept their fate, especially when they're not immensely outnumbered, so there's cost required to keep them repressed. I've read claims that the cost was part of the motivation of abolitionists, as well as introducing issues that preventing the South from winning the Civil War. So while they made a lot of money off of slave plantations, wasn't this also a period where their refusal to modernize held them back?
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damn, your right. But Alabama so no one cares about yellows or reds anyway. Do I still get the job?
Know what is hilarious, that people love that time. But will get defensive when you point out slavery, and say shit like "not everyone owned slaves", no but the ones that did sent the ones who didn't to die for the right. Like one of the first things they setup was a system where wealthy people could buy their way out of the draft.
Be careful a 14 year old might take this the wrong way.
I really hope he doesn't get reelected :(
The fact that he thinks everything in America has gone downhill since we've gotten rid of slavery is pretty clear evidence that he has no regard for the lives of anyone who isn't white. It's not semantics. It's fucking obvious.
You dont get to exclude slavery from that period. Ever under no circumstances. Ever.
People are willing to vote for this fucker. That's what really pissies me off. A single dipshit is one thing, but a sea of sheep to drown out sense and sensibiliiy. All done largely on pretense of 'religious conviction'.
Slaves were 'worth' more to an owner in the sense if there was a job that needed to be done that could be fatal theyd get an irishmen to do it as they wouldnt lose any money. theyd pay the irishmens wages for the day and be done with it.
Slaves did outnumber whites in the south for a good part of american history but without the means to stage a rebellion or a place to goto after said rebellion started they had no consent in their slave status. It was forced and for those who did flee they were punished generally quite harshly as you can imagine. In an environment of perpetual fear a human can hope for nothing but survival
"We had a real direction for the country" um.
He does know that whole "civil war" thing that happened because we didn't have a cohesive view of the country.
Right?
He does know that whole "civil war" thing that happened because we didn't have a cohesive view of the country.
Right?
Its just crazy that this is 2017 and there are people like this running for senate. Trump is just the beginning and this will be a battle that will last our lifetime.
You have to be willfully obtuse to ignore what he meant. This is like if you asked a German when was the last time that Germany was great, and they told you it was the 1940's, despite all the concentration camps. Would you then say "Oh, he didn't mean that the holocaust was great, just that it was a great time otherwise!" You'd have to be an idiot.
It was always the 1850s. They're just emboldened enough to say it now.
September 11th, 2001 was a fantastic day. Well- despite the two planes that flew into the World Trade Center buildings. Really great day! We really were one, ya know?
Fuck this guy and the millions of Americans who think like this.
Alabama please prove that you are not a complete shithole on Tuesday. If they vote for a racist pedophile then the entire state should be labeled as being full of inbred fuckwits.
No more sympathy from me for these shitheads.
Alabama please prove that you are not a complete shithole on Tuesday. If they vote for a racist pedophile then the entire state should be labeled as being full of inbred fuckwits.
No more sympathy from me for these shitheads.
Even discounting slavery, America has many more high-points since then where it could be considered great. Yet he still considers it the greatest time period in American history; rural, religious, and racist. Sums him up.
There's honestly no excuse for his statement. He believes the greatest time in American history is when slavery exists, the 'even though' counts for nothing. You can't just 'even though' away slavery, it was a dark point of American history.
1930s Germany was great, even though fascism and racism existed, it was a great period for Germany. Imagine Angela Merkel saying that. It'd be career suicide for her. Yet Roy Moore could well be elected, and I won't say 'despite' this, because saying things like this will actively get him votes and it disgusts me to my core.
It boggles my mind. I so didn't think I would be here at this time. This wasn't supposed to be my lifetime, something went very wrong!
It's absolutely disgusting.
I think the last time Pearl Harbor was great was December 7th, 1941, despite the explosions.
No, it's not missing the point at all. The boy who cried wolf ain't just a bedtime story.
I don't think anyone would argue that his statement is fucked up either way. Yes, the fact that slavery was at the forefront of his mind is extremely telling in and of itself.
But let people ingest his statement accurately and make their own judgement. Twisting his words to misrepresent what he said is fucking bullshit and simply provides ammo for the "fake news" fuckery that emanates from the right.
Explain exactly why what he said is an issue. Don't dress it up to caricature levels of evil because that just gives people the easy out of dismissing you because "that's not what he said".
The essence of his statement is literally that America was better when we still had slavery. He tries to dress it up with some bullshit about how families (exclusively white families, you would imagine) were still "united" and the country had a "clear direction". All of which is complete bullshit that makes no sense if you have any understanding of American history, unless you are analyzing it through the lens of the white, slaveholding class. It's the only interpretation that makes any sense!
At this point I'm convinced that Roy Moore could have actual slaves and still get elected.
FTFY
I'm voting for Jones but even if he loses I will not be fucking labeled in such a way by you. Or by anyone on this board.
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It's a shitty, misrepresentative title designed to sensationalize a statement that's already gross enough.
What not making sense?
While I agree with your anger, I don't think that it is fair to lump those voting against him in with those who voted for him because they have the misfortune of living in Alabama for whatever reason.
In general, people should avoid lumping together all of Alabama as a monolith in this thread. A third of the state voted against Trump. Presumably at least that will vote against Moore. They don't deserve scorn for being outnumbered.
Alongside his handwaving/pining for slavery, the "united" thing is bullshit too. White families were only united then because they had to be because of all the misogyny and only men having most rights or permission to make a living. Women were forced to cling to a man. What Moore sees as "great" is a time when only white men had any power or independence; that's the essential quality in his "greatness". Which has always been what MAGA has meant. It's a slogan for misogynists, homophobes, and white supremacists.
Come on, don't fall for that. If he wanted to use the usual "back when families were united" dogwhistle to pre-Civil Rights Movement America, he could have said that. Pining for the 50s when the commies were the bad guys, women knew their place, and them colored folk weren't so uppity is a common right-wing talking point. Specifically mentioning that slavery era America was the last time it was "great" is not just semantics. Dude is straight up saying that America has been shit ever since you decided that black people weren't property.
Mm, yes, back when we were united by polio deaths and child labor.
I really wish we could send people to live a few months during the times they keep mindlessly invoking as 'better.' This sort of blind nostalgia is drenched in aggressive ignorance of the larger quality of life of the times.
I really wish we could send people to live a few months during the times they keep mindlessly invoking as 'better.' This sort of blind nostalgia is drenched in aggressive ignorance of the larger quality of life of the times.
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All you need to do to understand idealistic white racial politics in the 20th century is watch Gone With the Wind, maybe the most successful film of all time.
The premise of the film was mourning when the South was "great."
Roy Moore clings to this playbook like a true pre-civil rights act piece of human excrement.
Politicians of his ilk, so clearly bigoted, used to be the norm in this country.
This is no dog-whistle. Moore is the type of politician who would stand in school doorways. It hasn't been that long.
The premise of the film was mourning when the South was "great."
Roy Moore clings to this playbook like a true pre-civil rights act piece of human excrement.
Politicians of his ilk, so clearly bigoted, used to be the norm in this country.
This is no dog-whistle. Moore is the type of politician who would stand in school doorways. It hasn't been that long.